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1: Post porn (9) 2: Irish Republican Army (4) 3: Books you started reading but just coun't get through. (86) 4: [Applause]Everytime we finish a book we post here[Praise] (120) 5: House Of Leaves [Book] [May contain spoilers] (4) 6: [discord] Philosophy Book Club (3) 7: Lenin – Stalin – Putin in Limerick (5) 8: Recommendations on Labor History (3) 9: Hegel Secondary Lit (7) 10: Poetry Thread (34) 11: [Snarky] ITT we post entries from the Devil's Dictionary [Evil] (7) 12: best sellers (4) 13: Pareto (4) 14: best (4) 15: Welcome To The NHK! (15) 16: LOTR (13) 17: Should I let my personal politics affect whose books I buy? (19) 18: I need Harry potter spoilers (18) 19: \ AN APPEAL TO HEAVEN / (3) 20: The Song of Ice and Fire topic (30) 21: Is it dumb to post here? (13) 22: Rene Guenon (10) 23: Should I get Norwegian Wood by Haruki Murakami? (11) 24: "Writing is fifty years behind painting." (27) 25: [Cao Cao]Romance of the Three Kingdoms[Liu Bei] (7) 26: Reasons why the Twilight series is an abomination in every sense of the word (61) 27: Examples of fanfics that sold well (18) 28: TAR (7) 29: The Last Question (4) 30: [weaboo]The Asian Saga/The Noble House series (6) 31: SciFi of ages past? (6) 32: Worst Fan Fiction ever! (83) 33: [shortstories] Shortstories Online (14) 34: [Author] Mishima Yukio [Passive gay chauvinist] (8) 35: Good scifi thread (96) 36: Haruki Murakami (63) 37: Mystery Novels / Short Novels (6) 38: Audiobooks on Youtube? (1) 39: Was Philip K Dick right? (3) 40: story of O (5)

Post porn (9)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2021-12-26 08:48 ID:UTefFU1p

The only genre I care about.

Romance is fine too. Porn without romance feels as empty as romance without porn.

2 Name: Bookworm : 2021-12-26 09:22 ID:Heaven

>Porn without romance feels as empty as romance without porn.

Found the guy that unironically read pornographic magazines for the articles.

3 Name: Bookworm : 2022-01-02 01:17 ID:c3ezFl/Q

>>2
"Reading" in this context is an euphemism for watching at lewd pictures. The articles in porn mags are usually not pornographic at all.

4 Name: Bookworm : 2022-11-15 17:13 ID:J9HkRpTo

Seriously, post something

5 Name: Bookworm : 2022-11-17 14:19 ID:4OYV74z5

You first

6 Name: Bookworm : 2022-11-23 12:46 ID:Ga5F6L8M

I havent ready any porn books but there's a ton of pornographic writing on fanfiction sites and they're all shit!

8 Name: Bookworm : 2022-12-27 10:17 ID:Heaven

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/88584244/novels
He wrote 8月のヒメゴト 〜僕と桃香の7日間〜 and currently writes 俺の肉奴隷は11歳, both are pretty good.
Stopped second on #16, stopped first on #8

People to maybe check later
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/1348886
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/62079282/novels
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/42140873/novels
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/6594712
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/43621518

9 Name: Bookworm : 2023-04-25 20:58 ID:G2tfL7b9

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Irish Republican Army (4)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2023-04-03 05:21 ID:MHAzupO4

Just started "The Secret History of The IRA" by Ed Moloney. Anyone else researching this topic?

2 Name: Bookworm : 2023-04-07 09:35 ID:dXr6x+iZ

I'd recommend Richard English's book Armed Struggle: The History of the IRA. It's pretty comprehensive, tracing the origins of the IRA in the 20s, covering the various armed campaigns and finally dealing with The Troubles and peace process. He gives a pretty nuanced and detailed look at what drove the IRA to violence in the early 1970s, covers the split between Officials and Provisionals very well and the secret talks with the Harold Wilson government. Kieran Conway, the IRA's director of intelligence, wrote an autobiography, Southside Provisional, which is worth a read. He's featured in the docu series Spotlight on the Troubles: A Secret History which covers the entire conflict with interviews with leading figures on all sides and access to declassified or leaked documents which shine a light on secret negotiations, the role of Gerry Adams in plotting attacks, and collusion between the British army and loyalist paramilitaries etc.

3 Name: Bookworm : 2023-04-14 00:19 ID:lsSwjcDT

The IRA had shit tons of guns and ammunition given to them by the Libyans but never really did anything with it other than shoot a few cops and detonate car bombs once in a while. As a guerilla organization they were a total failure.

4 Name: Bookworm : 2023-04-19 14:43 ID:w3nFVx1o

>>3
How? They went from being branded terrorists to parliment politicians with one of the largest and most popular parties. I'd call that a success. IRA have shown us that you can bomb, shoot and kill your way into high office. I'm surprised more people aren't adopting this strategy. It would certainly make the two party system more lively.

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Books you started reading but just coun't get through. (86)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2008-09-18 18:34 ID:hyJfuQuU

Some books seem promising then you start reading and just can't read it because you either don't like the style, it's boring, it's crap.... etc.

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77 Name: Bookworm : 2019-06-18 03:04 ID:A6+v5KCB

Anti-Oedipus by Deleuze and Guattari

I want to read it but it makes no sense to me.

78 Name: Bookworm : 2019-07-14 03:34 ID:X3v8KqSU

Walden by Thoreau.
Given up for a second time, even after skipping the longwinded first section.
Heavy horrible prose. Sanctimonius sarcasm throughout.

79 Name: Bookworm : 2019-07-27 01:40 ID:Av/7qVAE

3 Musketeers
I got around a third of the way through.
I wound up so lost and clueless about what the fuck was going on and didn't know where I should flip back to catch up. I also wasn't very interested in the first place, hence why I let my mind wander while reading.

80 Name: Bookworm : 2019-08-20 00:46 ID:Heaven

>>77
lol

81 Name: Bookworm : 2020-08-04 18:28 ID:B8kBaXLz

Philip Mainländer's philosophy of redemption. I got into it for the cool hyper pessimism but after like 100 pages of convoluted ontology I dropped it. I knew all the juice stuff beforehand anyway. Now I read the original instead (Schopenhauer)

82 Name: Bookworm : 2020-08-12 01:14 ID:tDt2WMUg

Logic of Sense by Deleuze. I read it after Difference and Repetition but it was a bit boring imo.

83 Name: Bookworm : 2020-12-31 04:36 ID:Heaven

i am a heron. i ahev a long neck and i pick fish out of the water w/ my beak. if you dont repost this comment on 10 other pages i will fly into your kitchen tonight and make a mess of your pots and pans

84 Name: Bookworm : 2022-12-28 03:37 ID:mgyGDzgl

Biological Exuberence. I started reading it for completely childish reasons(wanted to see how many gay birds there were) but got bored of the concept quite quickly.

85 Name: Bookworm : 2023-01-03 03:41 ID:r/KXWVSB

Mein Kampf. Bought it when I was going through a childish edgelord phase and took it to high school to everyday to piss everyone off. I never managed to read it all because it’s boring as fuck, especially the biographical parts which are just whiny and annoying. It’s just a dude bitching about his life.

>>82
I’ve never been able to get through any of the books he co wrote with guattari, but his books on Spinoza, Foucault etc are a pretty good read

86 Name: Bookworm : 2023-04-17 06:21 ID:C6u6R58n

Ai no Kusabi
In my first attempt the first five page filtered me greatly with its cuckold + rape + bdsm combo.
In my second attempt it was the horrible prose, I could not tell what the hell was going on, who is who and why does what.
I think I read the first 10 pages.

The anime was ok.

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[Applause]Everytime we finish a book we post here[Praise] (120)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2008-06-11 06:20 ID:CwXuimoY

http://4-ch.net/games/kareha.pl/1206548566/
This is a nice thread. Let's have a book edition.

I just read my first book by Haruki Murakami, "The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle". Murakami gets a lot of praise in these parts, and after reading this book, I can confirm that it isn't unfounded. The book to me felt a bit weaker towards the end, but I really liked hearing the stories of Nomonhan, Siberia, and such.

111 Name: Bookworm : 2022-01-07 04:29 ID:qEVgVWXD

Read Raptor Red a little while ago
An alright book, starts off pretty weak but it picks up quickly for the most part. The weird combination of anthropomorphic thoughts/actions alongside these really out of place overly-specific technical descriptions almost killed it for me, though it lessens up as it goes on (or I just got used to it). Word choice was kind of odd throughout the story as well, like the use of "Darwinian" 4 times in the first chapter and the use of the word "shit" like 6 times on one page and then never again. Just obtuse language here and there like the whole sentence "Another vital bit of information was added to the hard disk of her mental computer."
That kind of thing makes it VERY obvious this novel was written by a paleontologist and not a professional writer, which in all fairness has a charm of its own.
Like I said, it does get interesting and becomes a fun read but something about took me out of it every few pages.

112 Name: Bookworm : 2022-02-24 23:55 ID:DmJw1v7C

Finished The Hobbit. Reread it for the firs time in a long while. Might actually be better than I remembered, it's really charming and such a perfect distilled version of fantasy. Tolkien went a long way to make the story feel like it was actually being related to you in a really cozy way. And not being intimately tied into an overarching epic like LOTR is pretty nice too in that it's a short, pleasant read.

113 Name: Bookworm : 2022-10-24 05:24 ID:8wir969H

Finally finished Tolstoy's war and peace. it took me nearly 5 years but i'm finally done with it. a lot better than i thought it would be, i kept quitting and putting it off to read other stuff only to come back to it later. its actually pretty good once you get past the ancient writing style and just how slow and dry the start is. i wouldnt recommend it though. save yourself the time and read as summary online.

114 Name: Bookworm : 2022-11-03 13:49 ID:KMMOgeoy

Finished The Age of Revolution: Europe 1789–1848 by Eric Hobsbawm.

The prose was very jarring at first, but I got used to it after the first ~50 pages and after that I appreciated the density. It's definitely not pop-history and you're going to need at least some basic knowledge of the time period in question if you want to take anything from this book. Hobsbawm gives only very basic round downs of the big setpiece events (French Revolution, Napoleonic Wars, revolutions and coups of the early 1800's) and focuses on the societal preludes and aftermaths instead.

Hobsbawm's Marxist tendencies definitely shine through and he approaches the politics of the period with a very class-focused analysis. I don't think I'm smart or educated enough to really question his conclusions. The most interesting thing for me was reading about all the different political movements of the period. Some have very obvious analogues to more modern times, others not so much. I liked Hobsbawm's direct comparison between the "sansculottes" of France and movements like the Radicals in Britain and Andrew Jackson's coalition in the USA. These are presented as mostly positive populist forces but ones that lack any sort of agency or cohesive ideology of their own, at least until the working class parts of them split off into Chartism and proto-Communist movements.

I'll definitely read The Age of Capital now. I hope to get through the entire 19th century trilogy before I read Hobsbawm's book on the 20th century, which I heard is extremely insightful, realistic and even pessimist. If it's even half as informative as The Age of Revolution I can believe it.

115 Name: Bookworm : 2022-11-11 00:45 ID:oJFcF6TL

Just finished Political Theology by Carl Schmitt. It’s a short work, to the point, and can be finished in just two hours. Schmitt dives straight in with his famous definition of the sovereign as “he who decides on the state of exception.” From this he unfolds an infamous critique of liberal democracy manifest in the Weimar Republic. Schmitt argues that politics hinges on a distinction between friend and enemy, a fundamental distinction liberals try to deny or erase while in the process make things much worse. Whereas Schmitt advocates a pragmatic and realist engagement with the enemy, as someone who can be respected and traded with, liberals maniacal obsession with humanity leads to the dehumanization of the ‘other’ and this reduction of the enemy to less than human invites all kinds of brutal atrocities. Schmitt concludes that the ‘depoliticizing’ tendencies make liberal regimes unattractive and incapable. There is a lot of debate over Schmitt’s own politics and he’s relationship with Nazism, although a party member it’s debatable whether he was so out of genuine conviction or simply a pragmatic move to ensure his survival in Hitler’s Reich. Overall, I found Schmitt’s arguments to be thought provoking but not always entirely convincing, why exactly should we accept his claim that the political is founded on an antagonism? Nevertheless, his critique of liberalism helps us understand how that ideology has maintained a stranglehold over humanity despite the numerous atrocities it has inflicted on us.

116 Name: Bookworm : 2023-01-31 09:44 ID:mBLbiRkM

Industrial Society and Its Future by Ted Kaczynski.
7/10
Ted has a lot of great stuff to say about technological determinism and the creeping effects on human autonomy and freedom. Sadly, too much of his book is spent analyzing leftism, and while he makes a good point it's poorly worded and takes up too much space. It's a shame because you can bring in the Frankfurt School and look at how their criticisms of instrumental reason sit with Ted's anti-technological revolutionism. Nevertheless, it's a good read and worth picking up. Just be careful where you download it. The last thing you want is to end up on a government watchlist.

117 Name: Bookworm : 2023-02-17 22:00 ID:Heaven

Ted is a dumbass who doesn't know jack shit about history, anthropology or economics. His conception of premodern societies is laughable, like he got it all from Hollywood films. He then goes on to give a list of gripes rooted more in American yeoman frontier ideology than anything to do with the effects of industrialization.
I really hate how this ignorant serial killer managed to attract an online following of disaffected young guys. Disaffected young guys who invariable find and read his ramblings on an electric beep-boop machine in their cushy, first world, air-conditioned bedrooms.

118 Name: Bookworm : 2023-03-12 06:36 ID:W0Tg43C/

Messages to the World - Osama Bin Laden translated by Bruce Lawrence

Bin Laden spoke with eloquence and clarity while being the most wanted man in human history. But in the translated interview with Aljazeera reporter Tayseer Allouni, Osama falls apart and comes off as an incoherent chunni whackjob. Other than that, it's pretty simple: America commits crimes around the world and are evil. Nothing new or special. One thing that surprised me was Bin Laden didn't really have much of a political vision of the future he wants to create and he doesn't come up with elborate theories like most paranoid whackjob political types.

4/10

119 Name: Bookworm : 2023-03-27 16:22 ID:K5fpBNQg

>>117
You have to give Ted credit where it’s due. His ideas about technological determinism are pretty on point even if he is just a serial killer.

120 Name: Bookworm : 2023-04-15 07:23 ID:Kl17Qsiy

I few months ago I finished reading Self-Made Man by Norah Vincent.
Well, it did not change in how I view men and women.
The problem is that most of her struggles in a social setting were due to the fact that she was afraid that people would discover that she is in drag, and if those people discovered it, they would harm her.
The prose was nice, very easy to read.

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House Of Leaves [Book] [May contain spoilers] (4)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2013-02-24 13:41 ID:xcPnJUrl

Has anybody here read it? I discovered it earlier this year and loved it.

2 Name: Bookworm : 2013-03-01 16:01 ID:8WpVyFBO

I kept hearing good things from 4chan's /x/ board a few years ago, but I never got around to reading it.

Should I give it a shot? Wasn't there some particular edition of the book most people recommend?

3 Name: Bookworm : 2013-03-01 16:42 ID:pMowTuZx

I had the "full colour" edition, which I'd recommend, but it doesn't really make any difference overall and it's kinda expensive.

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[discord] Philosophy Book Club (3)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2021-10-22 17:19 ID:K/fquhpO

I'm hosting a reading group on Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience" (~30pp text) tonight with a friend (6:30 pacific / 9:30 eastern) . Some VIPPER will be joining in. Feel free to join and invite your friends! The first half of the discussion will be recorded and uploaded online later.

https://www.facebook.com/events/4339980456118810
https://blog.philosophy.rodeo/2021/10/22/civil-disobedience-ad/

2 Name: Bookworm : 2021-11-22 22:26 ID:gnhln3MQ

Imagine not starting with Greek Mythology.

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Lenin – Stalin – Putin in Limerick (5)

1 Name: The Whistling Marmot : 2023-02-08 15:59 ID:APxbwGvr

Hi Folks!

In case anybody does not know the ingenious Limerick by the late historian and poet Robert Conquest, here it is:

There was a great Marxist called Lenin
Who did two or three million men in.
That's a lot to have done in
But where he did one in
That grand Marxist Stalin did ten in.

This calls for a suitable refrain. Instead of the usual one with China and chili I propose the following:

Aye, aye, aye, aye, a new chap has since put his foot in,
who thinks he can rival both Stalin and Lenin
and shoots in the foot he has put in.
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2 Name: Bookworm : 2023-02-08 20:55 ID:Heaven

kill yourself

3 Name: Bookworm : 2023-02-08 21:28 ID:Heaven

be nice

4 Name: Bookworm : 2023-02-17 21:49 ID:CvIcoEI8

I don't get it. Please rewrite it but have all the characters replaced with pop culture references.

5 Name: Bookworm : 2023-06-02 03:39 ID:Heaven

this dude rhymed in with in like six times

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Recommendations on Labor History (3)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2023-01-20 02:31 ID:AqpHL3j6

I'm reading Philip Foner's series on the topic at the moment, but does anyone have any memorable works that they want to share?

2 Name: Bookworm : 2023-01-21 11:34 ID:KIy475Ie

Got excited when I saw "I'm reading Philip" and then the rest of that sentence didn't finish with K. Dick I just didn't give a shit anymore.

3 Name: Bookworm : 2023-01-21 19:31 ID:52ihRPod

>>1
E. P. Thompson’s The Making of the English Working Class and then you have Eric Hobsbawm’s Age of Revolution and Age of Capital.

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Hegel Secondary Lit (7)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2022-11-20 21:33 ID:k25jwNWj

I've been reading Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit. Needless to say it is close to unintelligible for me. What secondary lit should I read to properly understand it?

2 Name: Bookworm : 2022-11-21 01:15 ID:3KaHjL4n

>>1
You can’t go wrong with the Cambridge Companion to Hegel. There is Hegel, Haiti, and Universal History by Buck Morss which is provides an alternative look at Hegel’s intellectual influences. There is a series on YouTube called Half Hour Hegel which goes through the entire Phenomenology including the preface and introduction.

3 Name: Bookworm : 2022-11-21 15:14 ID:9poA3X0W

>>2
Thank you! I have heard of Half Hour Hegel but it the book on Haiti, that sounds very interesting.

4 Name: Bookworm : 2022-11-21 16:05 ID:I3u0Dmg+

I've been here, >>1, and I recommend giving up. Whilst it does start to sink in after a lot of study and exposure to dumbed-down explanations I'm not sure it's worth the effort and what little I did gleam from my initial attempts I have long since forgotten. Go read Kierkgaard instead (who likes to poke fun at Hegel)

5 Name: Bookworm : 2022-11-22 01:44 ID:I7lT4wE0

>>4
You still learn quite a bit by pushing through a dense philosophical book, even if you don’t understand what the author’s trying to get across it makes reading these books in the future a little easier. Sometimes the journey is better than the destination as the old cliche goes. It’s perfectly fine to go through a book and not really remember what the author is doing beyond a vague gist of what they’re trying to say.

>>1
Mind if I ask why your reading Hegel? Have you tried reading Hegel before? your a beginner you shouldn’t really start weigh Hegel and if your new to reading him you shouldn’t start with the Phenomenology but his Lectures on the Philosophy of History which provides you with nice intro to how Hegel sees world history and eases you into his dense writing style.

Anyway, if your looking for secondary sources I’d seriously recommend the Routledge Philosophy Guidebook to Hegel’s Phenomenology of the Spirit by Robert Stern. It’s a really good introduction that’s beginner friendly and written in an easy to follow clear fashion.

6 Name: Bookworm : 2022-11-25 05:22 ID:ZmHEdUEl

>>5
I am reading Hegel because he's pretty much the guy everyone thinks overcame Kant (who I really like) and I wanted to evaluate his criticism.

7 Name: Bookworm : 2022-11-29 02:47 ID:26GwTPCW

>>6
Great! With a bit of patience and second hand reading you shouldn’t have an issue. I actually think Hegel is a lot easier to read than Kant lol

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Poetry Thread (34)

1 Name: Bookworm : 2019-05-17 23:31 ID:yHCOemEs

Post your favorites:

秋深き (aki fukaki)
隣は何を (tonari wa nani wo)
する人ぞ (suru hito zo)

  • Matsuo Basho

25 Name: Bookworm : 2021-04-30 12:03 ID:Heaven

>>24
captain hook must remember not to scratch his balls lmao

26 Name: Bookworm : 2021-05-09 22:59 ID:ELieI/rc

When I consider Life, 'tis all a cheat;
Yet, fool'd with hope, men favour the deceit;
Trust on, and think to morrow will repay:
To morrow's falser than the former day;
Lies worse; and while it says, We shall be blest
With some new joys, cuts off what we possest.
Strange couzenage! none would live past years again,
Yet all hope pleasure in what yet remain;
And, from the dregs of Life, think to receive
What the first sprightly running could not give.
I'm tir'd with waiting for this Chymic Gold,
Which fools us young, and beggars us when old.

27 Name: Bookworm : 2021-12-21 04:53 ID:yFVNZ8sn

Если жизнь тебя обманет
Александр Пушкин

Если жизнь тебя обманет,
Не печалься, не сердись!
В день уныния смирись:
День веселья, верь, настанет.

Сердце в будущем живет;
Настоящее уныло:
Всё мгновенно, всё пройдет;
Что пройдет, то будет мило.

1825

28 Name: Bookworm : 2022-03-23 19:40 ID:b414bC2o

"Candidate" by Joy Division/Ian Curtis

Forced by the pressure
The territories marked
No longer the pleasure
Oh, I've since lost the heart
Corrupted from memory
No longer the power
It's creeping up slowly
The last fatal hour
Oh, I don't know what made me
What gave me the right
To mess with your values
And change wrong to right

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29 Name: Bookworm : 2022-03-24 04:14 ID:Heaven

ugly languages have ugly poetry

30 Name: Bookworm : 2022-04-08 02:55 ID:y9KkCZ8u

Here some original haiku written by me!

Tenchi deflowerd!
The girls have their way with him!
No need for consent!

31 Name: Bookworm : 2022-05-11 17:13 ID:8Fug8uyC

>>30
What inspired you?

32 Name: Bookworm : 2022-05-12 04:42 ID:y9KkCZ8u

33 Name: Bookworm : 2022-05-16 20:45 ID:c38/D0xS

>>32
What an intriguing choice of an image to make haiku out of.

34 Name: Bookworm : 2022-09-03 08:40 ID:R5vwkOSd

Here's the one I've come across reading recently.

In Answer to Vice-Magistrate Zhang

Late in my life I only care for the quiet.
A million pressing tasks, I let them go.
I look back at myself; I have no long range plans.
To go back to the forest is all I know.
Pine breeze: I ease my belt. Hill moon: I strum.
My lute. You ask - but I can say no more
About success or failure than the song
The fisherman sings, which comes to the deep shore.

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