Avatar the last airbender: Anime or not? (185)

1 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-03 18:42 ID:mhrif6U9 This thread was merged from the former /anime/ board. You can view the archive here.

Hi there!
Is Avatar an Anime or not and do you like it either way?

2 Name: D : 2007-11-03 18:43 ID:mhrif6U9

don´t you have any opinion at all?

3 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-03 19:42 ID:Heaven

Who cares, it's all outsourced to korea anyway.

4 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-03 19:45 ID:Heaven

Not really, anime is by definition Japanese, as I see it, but Avatar certainly is an example of western animation heavily influenced by Japanese animation. But if Avatar is anime, than so is The Boondocks, an undeniably American show.

5 Name: D : 2007-11-03 19:53 ID:mhrif6U9

yeah sure but it is drawn the way anime is only that it doesn´t have the never ending plot like DragonBall and Naruto.

And Anime is just short for animation although I agree that it is somewhat more Japanese than other "regular" animation-shows
As for The Boondocks (and Avatar I guess) you could say that the try to make a combination of regular and japanese animation styles.

So that could mean that it is a new take on Anime outside Japan.

Sorry for long post and I hope you understand me.....

6 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-03 21:13 ID:Heaven

>>5

You're new here aren't you?

I always thought one of the main things that distinguished anime from western shows was its concise season run, usually adapted from manga, but even for original shows, the series new when to end. Never-ending shounen manga like Naruto are an exeption I guess.

the fact that animeshoun is a Japanese garaigo means to me that we're talking about a distinctly Japanese take on western animation. Any Japanese animation, regardless of what it looks like, will technically be anime by this token. In the same way that ALL animation, regardless of its origins, are anime when imported to Japan.

anime in anime out, that's how I see it.

7 Name: D : 2007-11-03 21:31 ID:mhrif6U9

Is it so obvious hehe?
yeah just wanted to see what other people thought not to convince anyone to think like me.
Yeah I think that anime is japanese but I also think that Avatar was really close to looking like an anime both style-wise and story-wise.
But I can´t really say much since I am kind of new to this and there sure are people who know more what they are talking about.
Great hearing your opinion, I almost thought that no one would reply to this topic. :)

8 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-04 11:11 ID:DPVq40MV

no its not anime, stupid cartoon network and their lame artist are running out of ideas, and using anime-style characters (correction, american anime-style. which is total rip off, lame and whatsoever) to draw more attention cause they're loosing audience. everyone watch naruto, bleach, dragon ball, shaman king, yu-gi-oh, etc. but only westerner watch stuff like powerpuf firl or anything in their family... only a small number of asian watch them... look at teen titans (despite my thought that raven is extremely HOT). they have "anime" written everywhere the entire series. and avatar the last air bender are one of those kind. i dont watch much cartoon network, so i dont know much series.

my lilttle sister watch powerpuff girl and i only watch raven :D

9 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-04 13:41 ID:Heaven

>>8

Powerpuff Girls has been pretty popular in Japan, genius.

10 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-04 14:03 ID:Heaven

"Avatar: The Last Airbender (also known as Avatar: The Legend of Aang in several countries) is an Emmy Award-winning American animated television series"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender

11 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-04 17:52 ID:254oQBvf

well no one said it wasn´t american
the question is just if the americans could make an "anime".
Some may say that it is just the japanese who have the "right" to make anime and manga or at least that they are the best at it.
I agree that they are the best but that is just because the have years of expirience.

12 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-04 18:27 ID:aWG96l5j

anime = a Japanese word.
animation = the proper English word.

13 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-04 19:03 ID:254oQBvf

this is not a subject about what the words mean you know,
sure anime is japanese but does that mean that no one else can make anime except for japanese people?

14 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-04 20:30 ID:+/52nDzu

Sorry guys, but it has to be Japanese to be a Japanese concept, like anime. If it's a Korean comic, it's called a manhwa for a reason.

Come up with some new word for the American style.

15 Name: Otaku Otherwise : 2007-11-04 22:23 ID:i5s7ih4I

First off, on regards to The Boondocks, the first season was korean animated but season 2 is animated in Japan by Madhouse who is famous for anime such as Tenjho Tenge, Death Note, Card Captor Sakuar and Ichigo 100%. Would this make The Boon docks an anime now? Animated by japanese artists IN Japan but creator is of American desent. >>8 On the case of Power Puff Girls and Teen Titans were BIG shows in Japan on Cartoon Network Nippon, they were pretty popular here as well. I was sad to see Teen Titans go. And finally on the case of Avatar, it's a great show, at first I didnt like it because I thought about it as a rip off to Japanese animation, but around the second season I started watching it and liked what I saw so I downloaded the rest of it and watch the new episodes every friday. It is korean animation at its best, and u cant really call it a rip off of Japanese animation because of how it looks, because that is how Korean animation looks like. That is like saying Japanese animation was a rip off of american animation since it was made using Walt Disneys Ideas. We as humans have come along way and ideas are over used so get used to it.

16 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-04 23:47 ID:+/52nDzu

>>15

If it's animated in Japan, but conceived, designed, and intended for American audiences, it's a little more ambiguous, but I consider that outsourcing, so no, it's not anime, even if the most talented Japanese artists are working on it and offering their creative input. It's an American idea and an American script, so it's an American project done in collaboration with Japanese.

Most in-between animation and color work in Japanese animation is done by Korean companies after all, but that doesn't make the film Korean, nor does it establish a solid or distinct Korean creative animation industry, although there's room for one.

Really, a thing like "Boondocks" should prove that these national distinctions are less and less important in a creative entertainment industry that seems more and more globalized and ready to borrow from its neighbors freely. The list of big-budget Hollywood films influenced, remade, or directly influenced by Japanese films is endless after all.

17 Name: Otaku Otherwise : 2007-11-05 02:39 ID:i5s7ih4I

>>16 There are not really that many companies in Japan that have outside help dealing with animation since that would usually involve the use of more money. And, the idea of Boondocks being anime was a hypothetical question I know it isnt I am just using it to prove a point. Besides Why would a comapany that does in between work for a company create a nationality for a film? XD In anycase, I wouldnt think that korea inbetween work is usually done because there is a deadline for each episode, in your case you'd have to mail it out and wait for a return. The faster the shipping the more money you would have to invest and japanese animation doesn't have that kind of budget if any at all. Prove me if I am wrong, I would really like to know, but I am pretty confident in my research.

18 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-05 22:39 ID:254oQBvf

Well all of you can really argument ( a compliment)
but I think that the future will bring us a lot of mixed animes and manga. people seem to like the anime style which means that producers will introduce new shows that are anime-like in the native tounge of any country (not just english)
So that means that there will be a time when we will say that japan invented anime-style but that other countries produce it as well.
just a thought not a statement.

19 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-06 20:41 ID:254oQBvf

well let us just say that for now the definition of anime is that it is japanese animation and only future will truly tell how this definition will change, if it will change that is.
And I think most of you agree on that, no?

20 Name: Otaku Otherwise : 2007-11-07 03:12 ID:i5s7ih4I

>>19 Are you mexican? XD but seriously I agree, anime is pretty much what comes to mind first when u hear it, and that would be Japanese Animation.

21 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-07 14:29 ID:254oQBvf

>>20 mexican? no how come? I am greek if you really want to know.....

22 Name: Otaku Otherwise : 2007-11-07 17:40 ID:2C97mmoq

>>21 It's because I am half mexican myself and I have quite a few mexican friends who end their sentences with no.

23 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-07 19:09 ID:254oQBvf

>>22 oh hehe I see

24 Name: Fullmetalstrawberry : 2007-11-28 02:56 ID:JtagfdNH

I feel that though Avatar does indeed use the art style known as anime - I can not consider it true anime. It is very westernized and though it appears to be trying to copy the Japanese anime style - it is based around Chinese ideas. I do enjoy the show but I don't think it can compare to true Japanese anime.

25 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-28 21:15 ID:9k7+/WgP

I dont know if Avatar is anime or not.
But I can say Toph is tsundere.
It can be a cartoon but is undenable the fact of Toph be a tsundere.

26 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-11-29 10:30 ID:8a7u0HFr

Your all avoiding the main topic at hand:

Would you lick Toph's feet?

Yes or No

27 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-04 21:30 ID:oVrYJT7u

>>26 no but I would like to meet her (as a friend or else she might kick my ass)

28 Name: 1Pieceman : 2007-12-16 23:36 ID:xnWXNXgY

I definently think that it is NOT an anime!

29 Name: Mahuloq : 2007-12-17 00:37 ID:bWPaimkC

I think avatar is definently an anime. While it used to be the case that for something to be anime, it came from japan, I think in todays current time it just has to have the anime feel. If your going to hold to the same old stupid stereotype that if it isnt from japan that it cant be an anime, I think your just holding to outdated thoughts. For a true test on if something is an anime or not, show a a beginner to the anime world a couple different shows, maybe some traditional DBZ, and how bout something new like Melancholy. Throw in some western anime, and ask him if all the stuff he watched was anime. While thier may be a western feel to Avatar, you cant tell me that all japanese artists draw alike. You can tell when an anime is drawn by a curtain person.

30 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-17 01:51 ID:u6UwdjFJ

Let me start off from a different, yet relevant angle. First off, I am very pessimistic
about the future of the (Japanese) anime industry in the US with the rampant of fan-subbing.
You may have heard various execuses for fan-subbing, but the fact is, once poeple find out
that they can get something free, they will never pay.

So the industry has to change. Although it may sound somewhat outdated this day and age,
they still need to put the show on the air and get money from sponsors. The current US anime
industry's tactics of a little publicity and trying to get poeple to buy DVDs will never
take off. So the natural move next is to create something themselves. After all, the
current American broadcasting censorship is a major obstacle for anime to be on the air
and typical anime antics are too foreign for general public to generate enough money.
So they taylor-make shows.

Whether what they make should be called anime or not is just semantics and little interest
to me. By the way, I am not American but intereted in reading American anime fans reaction
to these "in-between" shows. Am I mistaken to assume that those who want to restrict the term
"anime" to shows that are made in Japan are not really happy about the current situation in
the US, although they may not have any feelings toward Avatar itself or even like it?

31 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-17 02:23 ID:yfK3PW4j

>>30

Well they're already doing that with the popular, money-making shounen franchises. Those aren't exactly a big part of the "anime-fandom", fan-sub consuming demographic, however. So it won't have any effect on them or the fansubbing. Mainstream anime/manga fandom is till growing though, so even with the reduced dvd sales, it's safe to say there's still some profits to be made off the foreign market. But it is at a major disadvantage when the local otaku, the meat-and-potatoes, core-target demographic, are highly reluctant to spend money on the localised products. That's a problem that Japan simply doesn't have, where every DVD is priced like a collector's item.

32 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-17 03:07 ID:u6UwdjFJ

>>31
What is the gist of your post?

33 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-18 06:21 ID:I2IJD0iv

avatar is jsut a lame kids show trying to have the same appeal as anime.

34 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-25 05:49 ID:rTMeqq/I

It's technically not an anime. Anime is generally considered animations from Japan, specifically. This doesn't mean that Avatar's a bad show; it's one of the best animated shows on television created in the US(mostly; all the key frames, designs, sound and voice acting is done in the US, and all the tweens, the in-between frames, are done in South Korea).

Anime's just a type of genre, there's great stuff as well as crap, just like any other genre. Even though Avatar's not part of this genre, it doesn't really mean anything more than it's not made in Japan. Frankly, it's a pleasant surprise to see the animation industry in the US isn't going completely downhill without a fight, so I'm glad Avatar's not anime.

35 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-25 09:10 ID:u61TI/58

anime is not a genre :((((((((( it is a medium

It's not even any specific art style [you can have everything from Haibane Renmei to Sailor Moon, artistically], it's just the Japanese word for animation!

You would call Avatar "anime" when speaking Japanese. In English it is a cartoon.

36 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-25 22:47 ID:6Wq62QR0

Except that in the rest of the world, 'anime' has acquired a different meaning: it means they were produced in Japan, and build upon some aspects of the Japanese animation techniques and culture.

There are definitely quite a few shows produced in Japan that wouldn't qualify as anime if they had been produced somewhere else.

But as to whether a show produced outside of Japan could be considered as anime, until now absolutely every one of them are horrible attempts at copying some of their superficial characteristics, and they never, ever rise above the uncanny valley territory.

If a cartoon produced outside of Japan became popular with otaku from Japan, then you could probably call it anime.
(Spoiler: this will never happen)

Otherwise, it's just an attempt at cashing on a trend.

37 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-26 00:20 ID:xAj7kZkO

> There are definitely quite a few shows produced in Japan that wouldn't qualify as anime if they had been produced somewhere else.

And among those are pretty much all of Japan's most famous anime, like Doraemon or Crayon Shin-chan.

38 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-26 10:01 ID:Heaven

Or Gundam. Oh wait.

39 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2007-12-30 05:16 ID:36+B+Qui

>>35 speaks the truth

40 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-02 03:57 ID:SkRztgH4

>>39 Agreed.

41 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-02 09:36 ID:XxWV6amT

yeah, that is what I tried to tell you all along....

that anime is a word for animation. Not a genre..... if it was a genre (type of animation rather than just animation) then it would stand for a type of "anime" like horror or action, but still all anime falls under the same name.
Why don´t they split up naruto from helsing and samurai champloo from one piece? It is all called anime....like animation, which tranlates into the english word "cartoonshow" or just show you know, the category under which avatar falls under. Now I know that lookwise there are major diferrences. family guy and simpsons differ a lot and the differ from avatar which differs from spongebob that differs from sailor moon and so on but all these shows are animated shows = anime = show.

Thanx for reading and sorry for long post.

42 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-02 12:10 ID:MO3VKr3F

Well certainly if you're using the Japanese definition, then it is. But most English speakers won't, so it isn't. And I don't think the distinction is style-based, it's based on where it's made. Or more precisely, where the designers are. I know Korea draws a lot of anime. ;-)

43 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-02 13:04 ID:aWG96l5j

>I know Korea draws a lot of anime.

If it originates in Korea then it's animeh, not anime.

44 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-02 20:01 ID:w94wnfex

well i think "we" from the west call it anime because well, the drawing style was new to us, but now that avatar (and I hope other western shows) start to look like anime-style the line gets blurred.
Besides, Avatar is also animated in korea if you didn´t know....
Does it make it a regular show if an anime is dubbed, then the language isn´t japanese plus it is made abroad, huh what about that? Is it anime just because some japanese dude came up with the idea? (no offense to japanese dudes) If it is , let´s say a person from spain living in japan who makes up a show and it is animated in korea, is it still anime? Or would you call it a show?

45 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 01:20 ID:aWG96l5j

>Is it anime just because some japanese dude came up with the idea?

Yes.

>If it is , let´s say a person from spain living in japan who makes up a show and it is animated in korea, is it still anime?

No.

46 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 12:54 ID:Heaven

>>43
You misunderstood what I meant. What I meant was that Korea draws a lot of anime which is designed in Japan. Which is to say they draw a lot of in-between frames.

47 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 17:04 ID:w94wnfex

>>45 but you never know if al the anime-creators are native japanese people, what if someone is adopted into japan and comes up with a plot is it anime then? It´s not like he chose his family or country, right?

48 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 17:39 ID:aWG96l5j

>>46 If the creator is Japanese then it's Japanimation, aka anime. If the creator is Korean then it's Korean animation, which I believe is called animeh/(animhwe?) in Korea.

>>47 If the creator is Spanish then he's not Japanese. If he was raised in Spain it's likely he's familiar with Spanish archetypes and ignorant of the Eastern archetypes, and even more ignorant of the Japanese archetypes. The reverse is true: I heard of Korean animators being unable to animate simple concepts very familiar to Western continents and skipping drawing those scenes, or being very sloppy with them and that the scenes had to be redone.

49 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 20:19 ID:w94wnfex

>>48 I meant that a person born and raised in japan but with parents from another country who gets into making anime in japan, is it still called anime? I mean he isn´t japanese just raised like one....

50 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 20:39 ID:aWG96l5j

>>49 I dunno, give me a concrete example. Who was born and raised in Japan from foreign parents and who made an anime, and which anime was that?

Also, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime

51 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-03 22:25 ID:w94wnfex

>>50 i am just sayin theoreticly

Isn´t it a little childish to state that only animation made by a japanese person is anime?
I can agree on anime coming from japan but if you are raised as a japanese person even though your parents are from another country and you make an animated show won´t it be called anime with the only reason being that you happen to have foreign parents?

52 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-04 10:08 ID:MO3VKr3F

This is why I have given up making the distinction and now call it "Japanese anime" to remove the argument. Comes in handy when thinking in Japanese too, since if you say "anime" over there that can apply perfectly well to anything animated anywhere.

53 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-04 17:10 ID:w94wnfex

>>52 thank you! See japanese people use the word anime for "anything animated anywhere" that is why I think we should either do the same (call all animated shows anime) or use our own words like animation, cartoonshow, show or whatev to name any kind of animated show. That means that we can still call japanese animated shows for anime AND shows like avatar for anime as well.....

54 Name: Valiant Ed : 2008-01-04 22:05 ID:6FmN7Enf

That is a good point.

55 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-04 23:21 ID:w94wnfex

Think of it this way: If a lets say swedish cook made a greek salad it would still be called a greek sallad because it would have the ingredients that are needed for making a greek sallad. It wouldn´t just be called a greek sallad only when a greek makes it (even though it it is originated from Greece). In the same way: A show that tries to look like anime should be called an anime even though it isn´t made by a japanese or from japan. Maybe we cannot call any show an anime because to us from the west anime isn´t just a show but a type of show, the type of show that looks like anime: Big eyes, big hair, small nose and so on and so forth.
But still: Avatar I think (And this is just my opinion) could be called an anime (even though it isn´t)

56 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-05 03:37 ID:aWG96l5j

How much panties shots, sex, blood, deaths, and other adult themes are there in Avatar?

57 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-05 06:59 ID:Heaven

You might as well ask the same question of Doraemon.

58 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-05 19:06 ID:w94wnfex

And sailor moon or what about pokémon?

59 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-06 05:44 ID:aWG96l5j

Sailor Moon got censored to death before it was allowed to air in the US. Several Pokemon episodes got dropped/censored too. Dunno about Doraemon.

60 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-06 15:13 ID:Heaven

>>56
You are just baiting people to provide a long list of japanese cartoons without all that.

61 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-06 20:07 ID:w94wnfex

>>60 you are kind of right, he/she is and well maybe that person is only watching "adult" anime and forgot about all the other shows that aren´t only about deaths and such.

62 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-06 20:21 ID:aWG96l5j

Americanime

A North American cartoon that attempts to mimic or copy japanese anime style, due to the increasing popularity of anime in North America. The characters are drawn similarly to usual anime, but the eyes are simpler. The characters' personality also attempt to mimic the exaggerated way anime characters act, and come off just looking dumb.

Person A: I love Totally Spies and Martin Mystery! The drawing style is so cool!
Person B: God, I hate that dumb americanime. It's just North Americans trying to rip-off regular good ol' anime.
Person A: ...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Americanime

63 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-07 17:30 ID:w94wnfex

Totally Spies? Was that thought of to look like anime?
I know boondocks and avatar look like anime but never heard of Martin Mystery....

Nice find by the way! I didn´t know that there actually was a word for anime made in america (or by americans)- maybe because I´m not living there....

What about shows like batman, superman, spiderman, x-men (all somsething-man) and turtles - are they called something special in japan? (like in the same way we call their style anime and american anime for americanime)

I was just wondering.

Oh, and just because a show looks like anime (like americanime) doesn´t make it good, nor if it is anime. (not all anime or shows are good just because they are counted as anime or show)

64 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-07 20:53 ID:aWG96l5j

>Totally Spies? Was that thought of to look like anime?

Well, it borrows a bunch of the visual Japanese conventions, like the sweat drop.

>What about shows like batman etc.?

I know these is a term for comics (コミック I think, in katakana), so maybe カートゥーン for cartoons. But the line is very blurry in Japanese, one should put "American" before "cartoons" to narrow the search. I heard that they are hard to find in Japan, but that they are some specialized shops where you can find them.

65 Name: bobby hill : 2008-01-08 02:25 ID:pjdGppm/

I had a little lulgassem, bare with me,kill your self, its not anime, you have butt hurt, Doremon was the shit, to be a anime IT DOES HAVE TO ITHER
A.) come from japan
B.)carry not just a animation style, but similar elements all around the bored

so that explain why you should kill yourself?

66 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-08 15:47 ID:w94wnfex

>>65 What? Sorry I don´t understand what you mean (not trying to be rude)

67 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-08 15:56 ID:w94wnfex

Sorry for double post but I guess that the main conclusion of this thread (in my opinion) is that:
In Japan: Anything animated is called anime
In the west: All animation "from" Japan is called anime and the rest is called cartoon/show, except for shows that try to look like anime that apparently are called americanime.

So at least those are the definitions as of today.

They may be changed in the future but that would/will be an "issue" for the future then.

As the thread creator I must say that I am happy to have cleared this up. Thank you all for contributing into reaching this answer.

(Don´t let this post be the end of this thread, if you have something to say then say it)

68 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-08 16:30 ID:Heaven

>>65
learn to english plz

69 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-12 11:20 ID:po3E1YAO

Americanime... I predict it won't catch on because it's such an unwieldy word.

70 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-12 14:15 ID:h+Xv/Y9A

well it seems to be more or less the "official" word but that doesn´t stop people from refering to anime-inspired shows as just cartoons. But I guess it is just a faster way of explaining that a show is trying to look like anime and is made in america.

71 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-12 14:18 ID:h+Xv/Y9A

>>64 Hi! I was just wondering how you do to quote just a line like you did there.

I am kind of new here so I have no clue...

72 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-12 17:19 ID:UdXAjEd8

73 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-12 17:45 ID:aWG96l5j

>Hi! I was just wondering how you do to quote just a line like you did there.

Just add a ">" manually.

74 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-13 18:20 ID:h+Xv/Y9A

>Just add a ">" manually.

75 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-13 18:21 ID:h+Xv/Y9A

Oh ok thanx!

76 Name: Cam : 2008-01-14 02:55 ID:OoiYD68/

well, whatever, I called anime a cartoon, and some fag tard decides I am an idiot for calling his precious moving pictures which is a cartoon, a cartoon, I'd say if it ain't real people running around doing shit, its a cartoon, Japanese people call it anime cuz thats how they say cartoons over there, while we in Canada and the US call most of our own stuff cartoons, I'm going with it all as a cartoons, however cartoon could be the big header of the folder and anime and whatever can fall under as some sub header, but who really cares, all cartoons to me anyways.

77 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-14 12:02 ID:Heaven

I call the top-level folder Animation. Under that I have Anime, Cartoons, Ero Anime. This makes far more sense.

78 Name: Oh no, not again. : 2008-01-16 19:56 ID:JPuqb3/u

NOT an anime. This shouldn't even be a question.

79 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-16 23:26 ID:dOMuCRhl

>>78 apparently it is an americanime....how about that? (said jokingly)

80 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-17 05:42 ID:Heaven

OK guys, I'm gonna sum up this thread so we can never discuss this again:

Word 'Anime' in Japan = animated shows from anywhere
Word 'Anime' in the rest of the world = animated shows from Japan
Using the Japanese definition in the rest of the world = trolling
"Americanime" = Cashing in on a fad.
Avatar and other shitty shows = lol

Now if you don't mind, I'm gonna throw up. Thread over.

81 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-17 14:53 ID:dOMuCRhl

>>80 well that was a semi-nice way of ending this thread...

Except the part about throwing up, that´s not very nice you know, for you at least. (Hehe)

82 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-17 14:55 ID:dOMuCRhl

>>80 OH, I just wonder if it is ok to call anime a cartoon since that´s what it is you know?

83 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-17 19:29 ID:Heaven

>>82
Yes

84 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-17 23:07 ID:dOMuCRhl

ok then, good.
have a nice day!

85 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-17 23:09 ID:Heaven

Very no.

86 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-19 08:33 ID:9euxNDgV

>>22
Common in the Southern Romance languages and nearly all of the Slavic languages. Mostly because they were far more heavily influenced by Greek which originated the construction than, say, High German or Norse.

The "and" at the beginning of the second sentence in that post as well as the lack of an article before "future" give away that the post probably wasn't made by an English-learning Mexican, though.

87 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-19 16:34 ID:dOMuCRhl

Sounds good, I guess.

88 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-22 11:05 ID:Heaven

no

89 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-22 12:52 ID:4HrlHNBF

ok

90 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-22 12:57 ID:4HrlHNBF

ok

91 Name: Moot : 2008-01-23 03:26 ID:4pyrKsUi

mmmmmm, not anime, but really, who cares?

92 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-23 09:05 ID:KGABaPA8

"americanized" anime...'nough said

93 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-23 11:53 ID:Ag4S1GiM

it's a miserable little cartoon! how can there be any question?

94 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-23 23:24 ID:4HrlHNBF

Well some may wonder either way in general, not just about this one show.

95 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-24 06:14 ID:Heaven

Everyone, shut up. We're done with this thread.

96 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-24 14:03 ID:4HrlHNBF

that is what I thought too but maybe someone wants to know if it can go on some more

97 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-25 13:48 ID:Heaven

Stop your crappy attempt at trolling. No new argument has been introduced in this thread in the last 2 months. There is an overwhelming consensus that when used in the English language, the word 'anime' can only refer to animated shows from Japan.

People who don't like that fact said so, they were rebutted, then stupid trolls wanting to see some wapanese indignation just reformulated the exact same thing.

No show made outside of Japan (+ international outsourcing) has ever been called 'anime' by people who actually watch anime frequently, and who are therefore the people who shape the meaning of that word.
If you disagree, bring a new argument to this thread or suck it up.

98 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-01-25 23:39 ID:4HrlHNBF

Well I thought that that already was the conclusion of this thread. We don´t need to repeat ourselves all the time.
It was fun while it lasted but there is an end to this now.

Have a nice day.

99 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-11 04:04 ID:lAgX9pRp

NO its not.
Anime = japanese animation
Avatar = somewhere not in japan
Therefore, avatar is NOT an anime

100 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-11 11:54 ID:Heaven

101 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-11 15:24 ID:Heaven

>>99

Wow, nobody has yet expressed this opinion in this thread! We all thank you for your razor-sharp insight!

102 Name: Lurk More Anon : 2008-02-13 20:39 ID:6ct5kcy1

Airbender = Lame Bitchfucked 'Art' demoralized, deficated wanabe anime.

Airbender Sux Ass!

103 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-15 11:15 ID:Heaven

>>102
Do what it says on your username you idiot.

104 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-18 16:04 ID:t7OBS5Ke

Can people please stop writing in this thread now?

It ends here and now. No more.

Thanks!

105 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-18 20:20 ID:Heaven

ur doing it wrong

106 Name: H.K. : 2008-02-19 07:28 ID:LLZvm8cs

No, I would never consider it even close to anime.
My step-bro calls it Chiname. LMAO!! lol CHINA-ME lol.

107 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-19 22:48 ID:BdIV36cH

>>106 LMAO

It is better then most anime though, hell i like it more then naruto, at least avatar uses motion capture aaaaall the time and naruto is just crappy anime&quality

108 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-20 07:30 ID:LD5mOwYW

anime is a shortened word for the american word animation. therefor, all animation is anime. now, is it japanese anime? nope. is it anime? yes. all animation = anime. not all anime = japanese anime.

109 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-20 12:36 ID:Heaven

>>108

Did you bother readint the thread at all before replying?

110 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-20 13:33 ID:Heaven

PERMASAGE PLZ

111 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-20 13:49 ID:Heaven

>>109 Whether they did or not, I completely agree with them and am glad to see the number of votes increase.

112 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-22 08:55 ID:LD5mOwYW

>>109

fuck no i didnt bother to read the whole thread! i saw what post 1 said. I gave my answer. All animation is anime. Little Mermaid = anime. Mickey Mouse = anime. All animation is anime.

113 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-22 13:11 ID:Heaven

>>112
Then SHUT THE FUCK UP. Your unoriginal opinion has been expressed 50 times at least and we are sick of this thread.

114 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-25 22:49 ID:t7OBS5Ke

This was not a nice way of ending this thread so here is a better one:

Thank you all for reading this and trying to answer a (as it seems) pretty hard question (since times are changing).

But now this thread has come to an end since the only things that are said are repeating what has already been written. So please stop postinh here.

Consider this thread closed.

Thank you very much and have a nice day!

115 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-26 03:38 ID:Heaven

Use sage dammit.

116 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-26 10:46 ID:sgaqMVKY

this thread has nice pants

117 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-26 12:12 ID:+flaX1sq

>>114
that was not a better thread ending.
It's an easy question to answer: no. it is not. not all animation is anime. only animation from japan is anime. avatar is a crappy little cartoon, and nobody likes it.

118 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-26 15:58 ID:xlQOuyMb

>>117 I said it is hard because everyone has their own opinion and can keep it since all kinds of opinions have been said.

The thread end here and now.

119 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-27 23:52 ID:bwqYbX0w

it ends when i say it ends, biyatch!

120 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-02-28 18:57 ID:Heaven

It ended months ago you dumbshit

121 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-03-01 11:58 ID:7j6+KoCc

it continues!!!!!!! waah wahh wah
It was pintless to begin with, and it's even more pointless now.

122 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-03-02 12:20 ID:Heaven

And more pintless too!

123 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-03-04 05:05 ID:HbuSSn1O

NEED A COUPLE MORE PINTS FOR GAMGEE AND THE BOYS... WHAT'S THAT, BAGGINS? YOU COULDN'T POSSIBLY DRINK ANYMORE?! NONSENSE!

124 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-03-04 08:51 ID:Heaven

This thread is now a continuation of http://4-ch.net/anime/kareha.pl/1200279461/ and is only to be used to discuss our love for Feito-chan. Please do not get off-topic.
So anyway, I love Feito-chan.

125 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-03 15:23 ID:z8Y6txm6

do not want avatar.

kthkzbai

126 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-03 20:55 ID:Heaven

>>125
Please do not get off-topic. This thread is about Feito-chan. You may also mention Nanoha or Arisa, but only if it is relevant to the discussion.
Anything else is threadjacking.

127 Name: chefmoogles : 2008-04-18 07:45 ID:k++7O7FJ

would we consider hentai anime then

128 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-18 09:37 ID:Heaven

>>127

would I consider you fat
yes

129 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-22 18:54 ID:QFO40L3z

fatter than fat could ever be

130 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-23 13:18 ID:Heaven

This thread is not about fatness, please, it is about Feito-chan, which for the record isn't.

131 Name: Red Elliot : 2008-04-24 05:58 ID:KKt6rrXt

It's an animation made in America. Cartoon.

132 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-24 11:15 ID:Heaven

>>131

Thank you for this totally original point of view which certainly hasn't been expressed already in this thread. A hundred times.

133 Name: LOVELYSTAR : 2008-04-24 12:54 ID:X/+X6DxT

Avitar the last Air bender is not an anime. It has the reminence of a cartoon, and so far as I know is not played in japan and never was/will be.

134 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-24 16:30 ID:jqyyl7th

We are >>133's courtiers.
We are sorry that our lord has created such a stupid post.
After the last war we had completely lost, our lord got mental illness.
Everyday, he kidnaps girls from the village.
Every night he gets drunk and tries to chop courtiers with his katana.
Now the lady of the house is ill in bed.
The people in our country are suffering badly from famine.
The neighboring Daimyos is taking advantage of this situation,
they try to pass across the border and take over our land.
Quite a few of our fellow courtiers have intention to rise in rebellion.
We are now in dire straits. Our clan would be destroyed.
But, don't worry. We arranged that our Lord become a Buddhist priest.
On his way to the temple, our skilled assassin will take his life.
That is arranged perfectly. After that we will hail Master Monaminokami,
the nephew of our lord, as our new lord.
We, all courtiers, would do our best to serve this new lord with faith.
We apologize for any inconvenience our lord may have caused you.
Please wait for a while. Please forgive the evil deeds done by our lord.

135 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-04-27 02:26 ID:d5hCkQtp

in terms of what Anime means then Avatar is Anime along with Looney Toons and Futurama.

in terms of if its Japanese Animation then its not, Avatar was animated in Korea and Produced and written and such in America.

136 Name: MODD!5JrU4QOlH6 : 2008-05-02 23:26 ID:Heaven

This thread is about Feito-chan. Future attempts at getting off-topic will not be allowed.

137 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-08-31 11:16 ID:dacOICRY

anime much?

138 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-08-31 13:23 ID:Heaven

TOUHOU HIJACK

139 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-08-31 13:28 ID:++g8Jd6w

Anything without their ANN link let alone Ani.db will never be one

140 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-09-01 03:44 ID:Heaven

>>133
Avatar is airing in Japan. It even has a Japanese dub.

141 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-09-01 20:30 ID:TAATQjNO

>>140
NEEDS JAPANESE OPINIONS ON THIS!

142 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-09-01 22:23 ID:Heaven

>>141
Well, I've heard the dub, and as a fan of the English original, I think it's really...meh. Azula's Japanese VA makes me facepalm.

There's lots of Japanese fanart already, though. Right now the second season is airing,which is when the show really gets best imho.

143 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-09-01 22:57 ID:++g8Jd6w

More people should watch this over being worried about being anime

144 Name: xKatana : 2008-10-29 12:23 ID:0yO/x395

../¯)(X)\.../(X)(¯\..
(¤I HELL NO ¤)
°¨¯)(V¯)/X\(¯V)(¯¨°

145 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-10-29 18:53 ID:++g8Jd6w

Never considered one no matter how much people makes it look alike

146 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-10-29 22:41 ID:Dz9WJr/g

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147 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-10-29 23:33 ID:++g8Jd6w

Avatar would not be popular without people that insist being anime

148 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-11-02 10:31 ID:yMERphhH

How is that crap even considered anime?
That's like saying "Jackie Chan Adventures" is anime...
Just because it's draw in a similar anime-wannabe style dot NOT mean it is anime.
Then again most weeaboos don't even know the the difference.

149 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-11-02 12:36 ID:++g8Jd6w

Weeaboos are the least people to consider anything like this anime

150 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-11-04 01:07 ID:zzpVna/G

Avatar is annoying and is in no way anime. It doesn't qualify at all.
>>148 agreed
Funny though, I have friends who call it "Chiname". lol.

151 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-11-04 04:24 ID:++g8Jd6w

They would like something more nihon authentic not cheap imitation

152 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-11-05 18:41 ID:Heaven

NO
/THREAD

153 Name: Mandy : 2008-11-11 20:23 ID:Heaven

No way!

It's not fucking anime.

154 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-11-15 21:24 ID:vVQQr99V

why not? just because of where it is made?

155 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-11-16 01:02 ID:++g8Jd6w

Anime is never an art style but any nihon made animated production

156 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-11-17 02:12 ID:Heaven

>>148

>Just because it's draw in a similar anime-wannabe style dot NOT mean it is anime.
>Then again most weeaboos don't even know the the difference.

most weaboos don't even know that 'anime' is japanese word for all cartoons independently of country or style

157 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-11-18 05:28 ID:vVQQr99V

>>155

So if any Japanese person draws an animation it is anime, even if it isn't in anime style?

158 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-11-19 01:47 ID:++g8Jd6w

Anime style makes a loose term when some anime looks western drawn

159 Name: J : 2008-11-24 17:12 ID:Heaven

Avatar is retarded, regardless of whether it is anime or not.

160 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2008-11-25 20:29 ID:Heaven

oh wow this shitty thread is still alive

161 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2009-01-21 05:57 ID:fZ9CfuAo

>>156

>most weaboos don't even know that 'anime' is japanese word for all cartoons independently of country or style

how true. I hate to admit it myself, but godforsaken fucking shit like Spongebob Squarepants would be considered anime to them.........

The debate we are having now is like the debate over the definition of "otaku" it depends on if you are using the Japanese or English version.

I know ill get some hater after what I just said at some point.

162 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2009-01-21 08:03 ID:SM69IdaT

It's anime. Just not Japanese anime.

163 Name: Gradation : 2009-01-21 09:23 ID:WnmlGPmz

That's just like saying that The Boondocks is an anime.

164 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2009-01-22 07:38 ID:yb5I6AXx

It drawn in an anime style, but I wouldn't consider it a true anime. As Mr >>163 kinda related to, its drawn in that kind of anime way, but its not an anime.

165 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2009-01-25 18:05 ID:Heaven

lol internet

166 Name: No name-san : 2009-01-26 01:13 ID:s40Y55Fl

2 years have passed, and this thread has beeen bumped a plethora of times :]
But, i dont know. I never liked Avatar.

167 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2009-02-28 17:41 ID:58aiyKd2

It's funny to see the Otaku mentality this way. "Don't let anyone taint our Otaku vocabulary."
Is this the reason why you use "hentai" to refer to only Japanese porn animation?
I'm sorry, but "anime" is just a shortened form of "animation" in general and "hentai" means
"perverts" in general in the Japanese language.
If you mock Japanese people trying to speak English as "Engrish", what should this Otaku vocabulary
called?

168 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2009-02-28 21:15 ID:SM69IdaT

I'm with >>167 on this one.

169 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2009-03-02 15:45 ID:9ETMjAtB

>>167
The word Anime was Americanized to refer to Japanese Animation and has been used in pretty much every other country outside of Japan to refer to Japanese Animation.
Hentai can mean pervert (most commonly used is Ecchi) but it does actually mean porn, too.

Avatar is an American animation. There's no other word for that other than Cartoon. Unless you're Japanese and can't speak a lick of English, you can't call it Anime.

It's not drawn in an Anime style. It's a mock-up. Same shit as Teen Titans. American Animators suddenly think "hey, Anime is cool and all the hip and trendy kids dig it. Let's attempt to replicate it in any way we can for higher ratings!"

Of course, I haven't seen an American animation company replicate the actual -animation- side of things with the crap they produce, the only thing they're good at is reading "How To Draw Manga" books and implementing it into their shitty kids cartoons.

170 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2009-03-02 16:47 ID:xuCMbkFd

>>169

you took the words right out of my mouth. i have to agree with what you have said.

i have nothing against american companies who make cartoons based on whatever they think up. but i hate those who even try to mimic the styles from anime itself. they are nowhere near the perfection anime can produce. they should give it up and try to find their own unique style and stop imitating other culture's success in animation.

171 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2009-03-03 00:51 ID:58aiyKd2

>>169
I didn't expect to hear a reply that is repeated ad nauseam at this point. Well, what can I expect
from a person for whom the Engrish satire bit was easily lost. Your reply, along with many other
brainless replies, boils down to the country of origin and some obscure "Anime style" or
"actual -animation- side of things" as if there were such a monolithic, monadic entity exists in
the Japanese animation industry. I'm sorry, there isn't. It's some concept that is coined for your
convenience. It doesn't hold any significance as far as the the efficacy of your argument goes.

So, again, your reply just repeated this "country of origin" argument. Just give me examples of
words used in the English speaking world that have the "country of origin" bit built into their
definition, just like you say the word Anime does. Like >>35 said, it's a medium. A movie made in
wherever is still called a movie in English. Yes, an American cook can make a dish that can be
legitimately called a Japanese dish. What is wrong with you?

If satire is lost, let me ask directly. Why do you have to act in such a way so that even the language
you use has to have some exclusive elite status? I can do without the "How To Draw Manga"
book, ok? Funny that >>170 has to start with "i have nothing against american companies", isn't it?
How many times have you heard the phrase "I don't mean to offend you, but..."? Does that mean
anything? What is wrong with you?

>but it does actually mean porn, too.

In Japanese? No, it's too generic to be used to refer to only porn. It's used porn titles a lot because
it's such a convenient word.

172 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2009-03-13 20:55 ID:QcW7th8U

A interesting thing about Avatar is that the animators where required by the director to buy and watch all of FLCL before working on the project. If you watch Avatar you will notice tons of moments that are very reminiscent with FLCL.

173 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2010-01-09 08:56 ID:IAXllfpm

Other Japanglish words that bother me in recent years are exemplified here.
http://www.animenation.net/blog/2009/12/28/ask-john-are-there-any-shounen-anime-starring-girls/
Shounen, Shoujo, and Seinen.

They are the words used by magazine editors to target thier products to specific readers as in Shounen Jump. Japanese animation is never classified this way. Weekly magazines and animation shows are rightfully understood as different products in Japan. It's OK if you want to classify them differently outside of Japan, but why do you have to employ Japanese words to do so (if classifying differently is really what you want to do)? The Japanese audience would laugh at the extreme measure taken to alphabetize Japanese words only to be used in a different manner.

Think of this way. Those who want to protect the sacrosanctity of the word "anime" are the very people who taint Japanese words. Ignorance is clearly not bliss.

174 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2011-08-25 17:52 ID:eCNlEZfK

175 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2012-01-29 00:01 ID:j83P3LkQ

anime = animated

176 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2012-01-29 07:55 ID:j83P3LkQ

>>167

It should be called poser.

177 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2012-03-01 01:57 ID:rbYKK8MR

It's considered an anime in Japan, but not in America, since the Japanese word アニメ is not limited to Japanese animation.

178 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2012-06-18 15:41 ID:L9ODn6sG

179 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2012-06-18 20:09 ID:7rvxnagm

>>173
Actually Japanese animation is in fact classified (by the viewers and reviewers if not the producers and TV stations) as shounen, shoujo etc, though there are obviously a large number of shows that defy this classification system. Are you going to argue that anime is never targeted to a specific audience? If so, I will have to laugh in your face.

180 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2012-07-02 08:04 ID:ELMnZkxw

181 Name: sage : 2012-08-01 20:34 ID:Heaven

stop reviving this thread faggots

182 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2021-02-18 10:17 ID:S3ykxWvU

KORRA is hot; fire-bend!

183 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2021-02-18 15:43 ID:zZxb2S3L

ATLA is too good to be anime

184 Name: Random Anime Otaku : 2021-02-23 21:22 ID:Heaven

If we're going by actual definition, every animated show counts as anime, since anime tends to refer to animation in general. But in this context, I wouldn't say AtlA is anime, at least not Japanese anime.

185 Name: Anonymous Otaku : 2021-03-15 09:46 ID:ujyof8X7

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