Hi there!
Is Avatar an Anime or not and do you like it either way?
don´t you have any opinion at all?
Who cares, it's all outsourced to korea anyway.
Not really, anime is by definition Japanese, as I see it, but Avatar certainly is an example of western animation heavily influenced by Japanese animation. But if Avatar is anime, than so is The Boondocks, an undeniably American show.
yeah sure but it is drawn the way anime is only that it doesn´t have the never ending plot like DragonBall and Naruto.
And Anime is just short for animation although I agree that it is somewhat more Japanese than other "regular" animation-shows
As for The Boondocks (and Avatar I guess) you could say that the try to make a combination of regular and japanese animation styles.
So that could mean that it is a new take on Anime outside Japan.
Sorry for long post and I hope you understand me.....
You're new here aren't you?
I always thought one of the main things that distinguished anime from western shows was its concise season run, usually adapted from manga, but even for original shows, the series new when to end. Never-ending shounen manga like Naruto are an exeption I guess.
the fact that animeshoun is a Japanese garaigo means to me that we're talking about a distinctly Japanese take on western animation. Any Japanese animation, regardless of what it looks like, will technically be anime by this token. In the same way that ALL animation, regardless of its origins, are anime when imported to Japan.
anime in anime out, that's how I see it.
Is it so obvious hehe?
yeah just wanted to see what other people thought not to convince anyone to think like me.
Yeah I think that anime is japanese but I also think that Avatar was really close to looking like an anime both style-wise and story-wise.
But I can´t really say much since I am kind of new to this and there sure are people who know more what they are talking about.
Great hearing your opinion, I almost thought that no one would reply to this topic. :)
no its not anime, stupid cartoon network and their lame artist are running out of ideas, and using anime-style characters (correction, american anime-style. which is total rip off, lame and whatsoever) to draw more attention cause they're loosing audience. everyone watch naruto, bleach, dragon ball, shaman king, yu-gi-oh, etc. but only westerner watch stuff like powerpuf firl or anything in their family... only a small number of asian watch them... look at teen titans (despite my thought that raven is extremely HOT). they have "anime" written everywhere the entire series. and avatar the last air bender are one of those kind. i dont watch much cartoon network, so i dont know much series.
my lilttle sister watch powerpuff girl and i only watch raven :D
Powerpuff Girls has been pretty popular in Japan, genius.
"Avatar: The Last Airbender (also known as Avatar: The Legend of Aang in several countries) is an Emmy Award-winning American animated television series"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender
well no one said it wasn´t american
the question is just if the americans could make an "anime".
Some may say that it is just the japanese who have the "right" to make anime and manga or at least that they are the best at it.
I agree that they are the best but that is just because the have years of expirience.
anime = a Japanese word.
animation = the proper English word.
this is not a subject about what the words mean you know,
sure anime is japanese but does that mean that no one else can make anime except for japanese people?
Sorry guys, but it has to be Japanese to be a Japanese concept, like anime. If it's a Korean comic, it's called a manhwa for a reason.
Come up with some new word for the American style.
First off, on regards to The Boondocks, the first season was korean animated but season 2 is animated in Japan by Madhouse who is famous for anime such as Tenjho Tenge, Death Note, Card Captor Sakuar and Ichigo 100%. Would this make The Boon docks an anime now? Animated by japanese artists IN Japan but creator is of American desent. >>8 On the case of Power Puff Girls and Teen Titans were BIG shows in Japan on Cartoon Network Nippon, they were pretty popular here as well. I was sad to see Teen Titans go. And finally on the case of Avatar, it's a great show, at first I didnt like it because I thought about it as a rip off to Japanese animation, but around the second season I started watching it and liked what I saw so I downloaded the rest of it and watch the new episodes every friday. It is korean animation at its best, and u cant really call it a rip off of Japanese animation because of how it looks, because that is how Korean animation looks like. That is like saying Japanese animation was a rip off of american animation since it was made using Walt Disneys Ideas. We as humans have come along way and ideas are over used so get used to it.
If it's animated in Japan, but conceived, designed, and intended for American audiences, it's a little more ambiguous, but I consider that outsourcing, so no, it's not anime, even if the most talented Japanese artists are working on it and offering their creative input. It's an American idea and an American script, so it's an American project done in collaboration with Japanese.
Most in-between animation and color work in Japanese animation is done by Korean companies after all, but that doesn't make the film Korean, nor does it establish a solid or distinct Korean creative animation industry, although there's room for one.
Really, a thing like "Boondocks" should prove that these national distinctions are less and less important in a creative entertainment industry that seems more and more globalized and ready to borrow from its neighbors freely. The list of big-budget Hollywood films influenced, remade, or directly influenced by Japanese films is endless after all.
>>16 There are not really that many companies in Japan that have outside help dealing with animation since that would usually involve the use of more money. And, the idea of Boondocks being anime was a hypothetical question I know it isnt I am just using it to prove a point. Besides Why would a comapany that does in between work for a company create a nationality for a film? XD In anycase, I wouldnt think that korea inbetween work is usually done because there is a deadline for each episode, in your case you'd have to mail it out and wait for a return. The faster the shipping the more money you would have to invest and japanese animation doesn't have that kind of budget if any at all. Prove me if I am wrong, I would really like to know, but I am pretty confident in my research.
Well all of you can really argument ( a compliment)
but I think that the future will bring us a lot of mixed animes and manga. people seem to like the anime style which means that producers will introduce new shows that are anime-like in the native tounge of any country (not just english)
So that means that there will be a time when we will say that japan invented anime-style but that other countries produce it as well.
just a thought not a statement.
well let us just say that for now the definition of anime is that it is japanese animation and only future will truly tell how this definition will change, if it will change that is.
And I think most of you agree on that, no?
>>19 Are you mexican? XD but seriously I agree, anime is pretty much what comes to mind first when u hear it, and that would be Japanese Animation.
>>20 mexican? no how come? I am greek if you really want to know.....
>>21 It's because I am half mexican myself and I have quite a few mexican friends who end their sentences with no.
I feel that though Avatar does indeed use the art style known as anime - I can not consider it true anime. It is very westernized and though it appears to be trying to copy the Japanese anime style - it is based around Chinese ideas. I do enjoy the show but I don't think it can compare to true Japanese anime.
I dont know if Avatar is anime or not.
But I can say Toph is tsundere.
It can be a cartoon but is undenable the fact of Toph be a tsundere.
Your all avoiding the main topic at hand:
Would you lick Toph's feet?
Yes or No
>>26 no but I would like to meet her (as a friend or else she might kick my ass)
I definently think that it is NOT an anime!
I think avatar is definently an anime. While it used to be the case that for something to be anime, it came from japan, I think in todays current time it just has to have the anime feel. If your going to hold to the same old stupid stereotype that if it isnt from japan that it cant be an anime, I think your just holding to outdated thoughts. For a true test on if something is an anime or not, show a a beginner to the anime world a couple different shows, maybe some traditional DBZ, and how bout something new like Melancholy. Throw in some western anime, and ask him if all the stuff he watched was anime. While thier may be a western feel to Avatar, you cant tell me that all japanese artists draw alike. You can tell when an anime is drawn by a curtain person.
Let me start off from a different, yet relevant angle. First off, I am very pessimistic
about the future of the (Japanese) anime industry in the US with the rampant of fan-subbing.
You may have heard various execuses for fan-subbing, but the fact is, once poeple find out
that they can get something free, they will never pay.
So the industry has to change. Although it may sound somewhat outdated this day and age,
they still need to put the show on the air and get money from sponsors. The current US anime
industry's tactics of a little publicity and trying to get poeple to buy DVDs will never
take off. So the natural move next is to create something themselves. After all, the
current American broadcasting censorship is a major obstacle for anime to be on the air
and typical anime antics are too foreign for general public to generate enough money.
So they taylor-make shows.
Whether what they make should be called anime or not is just semantics and little interest
to me. By the way, I am not American but intereted in reading American anime fans reaction
to these "in-between" shows. Am I mistaken to assume that those who want to restrict the term
"anime" to shows that are made in Japan are not really happy about the current situation in
the US, although they may not have any feelings toward Avatar itself or even like it?
Well they're already doing that with the popular, money-making shounen franchises. Those aren't exactly a big part of the "anime-fandom", fan-sub consuming demographic, however. So it won't have any effect on them or the fansubbing. Mainstream anime/manga fandom is till growing though, so even with the reduced dvd sales, it's safe to say there's still some profits to be made off the foreign market. But it is at a major disadvantage when the local otaku, the meat-and-potatoes, core-target demographic, are highly reluctant to spend money on the localised products. That's a problem that Japan simply doesn't have, where every DVD is priced like a collector's item.
avatar is jsut a lame kids show trying to have the same appeal as anime.
It's technically not an anime. Anime is generally considered animations from Japan, specifically. This doesn't mean that Avatar's a bad show; it's one of the best animated shows on television created in the US(mostly; all the key frames, designs, sound and voice acting is done in the US, and all the tweens, the in-between frames, are done in South Korea).
Anime's just a type of genre, there's great stuff as well as crap, just like any other genre. Even though Avatar's not part of this genre, it doesn't really mean anything more than it's not made in Japan. Frankly, it's a pleasant surprise to see the animation industry in the US isn't going completely downhill without a fight, so I'm glad Avatar's not anime.
anime is not a genre :((((((((( it is a medium
It's not even any specific art style [you can have everything from Haibane Renmei to Sailor Moon, artistically], it's just the Japanese word for animation!
You would call Avatar "anime" when speaking Japanese. In English it is a cartoon.