Language @4-ch

Language @4-ch

English: Talk about languages, communication, linguistics or anything of that nature. All languages are welcome for discussion, and everyone should respect each other's language. Please keep Japanese language related discussion here thank you.

日本語: 言語、コミュニケーション、言語学または何についてでも話してください。全ての言語が議論のために歓迎され、誰でも互いの言語を尊重しなければなりません。日本語に関連した議論はここでしてください。

Français: Parler des langues, la communication, la linguistique ou n'importe quoi de cette nature. Toutes langues sont bienvenues pour la discussion, et tout le monde doit respecter la langue. S'il vous plaît garder la discussion en Japonais ici, merci beaucoup.

Español: Para charlar sobre idiomas, la lingüística, y qualquier cosa de ese tipo. Todos los idiomas son bienvenidos para la discusión y todos deben respetar el idioma del uno al otro. Por favor mantengan discusiones en Japonés aquí, gracias.

Svenska: Här talar vi om språk, lingvistik o. dyl. Alla språk är välkomna och ni förväntas respektera andra användares språk. Vänligen håll Japanska-diskussioner inom detta forum, tack!

Deutsch: Gespräche über Sprachen, Kommunikation, Linguistik oder Ähnliches. Alle Sprachen sind willkommen und jeder sollte die anderen Sprachen respektieren. Bitte Diskussionen über die japanische Sprache auf dieses Forum beschränken, vielen Dank.

Português: Converse sobre idiomas, comunicação, lingüística ou qualquer tema relacionado. Todos os idiomas são bemvindos para a discussão, e todos devem respeitar o idioma alheio de cada um. Por favor mantenham as discussões relacionadas ao Japonês aqui. Obrigado.
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Doitsch (64)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2006-03-08 20:20 ID:ofbboDgV

Reden wir deutsch und deutlich.

55 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-01-13 00:14 ID:/NRhS+RC

Deutsche! Verschwendet eure Zeit auf

56 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-07-26 23:43 ID:9QoOWOD5
Ich hol's einfahc nochmal hoch

57 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-11-17 19:56 ID:JDC6RnFf

 | ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄|
    ∧∧ ||
    ( ゚ヮ゚) || 
    / づΦ

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60 Name: kangen : 2016-03-07 02:42 ID:IVvTymzy

Als Deutscher finde ich meine Muttersprache echt erbärmlich. Englisch, Japanisch, Spanisch und Latein lagen mir immer mehr.

61 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2020-12-04 14:19 ID:+kNt0RyV

Japanisch und Latein kann ich verstehen.
Aber warum Englisch? Englisch ist bloß vereinfachtes Deutsch.

62 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2020-12-04 22:55 ID:cLQ23rjs

Meine Familie is Ämisch, un sie schwetze Pennsylfanisch Deitsch. Ich kann en bissche deitch ferstehen, aber kein hochdeutsch sprech' ich. Mer wohn' in Florida. Meine familie kommt aus Indiana, aus Pennsylfania, aus Rheinland Pfälz, aus Bern. Forgib mer meine Fehler, ich schwetze schlecht deitsch.

63 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-11-14 14:47 ID:IKfTHem8

Wo sind die Deutschen @?

64 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-11-21 20:12 ID:Heaven

KC, bzw. soziale Medien. Wer Englisch spricht, hält sich eher im Englischsprachigen Internet auf.

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To: Britain citizens/residents (4)

1 Name: Business Insider : 2016-11-20 08:11 ID:GpRZtg/4

"Learning these 9 languages could lead to higher-paying jobs in Britain" "9 languages which will help you earn more in Britain" German, Arabic, French, Dutch, Spanish, Japanese, Russian, Italian, Mandarin Chinese.

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 14:02 ID:jWU7VzgP

it takes a lot of time though..

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-10-05 03:00 ID:XALH5har

"though" (O.O)

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-11-05 22:44 ID:edScE3V4



the absolute state of britbongistan~

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Start Learning Chinese (9)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-09-02 10:10 ID:BSgsJSHi

i'm very interested in chinese but i don't know where to start, i thought about learning the hanzi but, does mandarin use the same ideograms? do i have to learn mandarin or traditional chinese?
any good methods?

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-09-12 19:49 ID:q1H/fYCM

I suggest you learn Mandarin, which is spoken by most of Chinese people. The easiest way is to find a Chinese girlfriend lol.

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2012-02-12 13:20 ID:ZinqedrI

i want to learn chinese too.. what the first step to learn chinese? and its not easy to get chinese girlfriend if they cannot speak english u know.. lol

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2012-02-16 01:40 ID:OZfResYL

Did you really just say mandarin or traditional?
mandarin and cantonese are the 2 main chinese dialects.
also, the methods of writing are simplifed and traditional, simplified was made to increase the literacy rate sometime around Mao and all the prgressive communist stuff

I speak some Mandarin due to where I grew up and taking it in school.

Mandarin is what most speak, so unless you want to like - go to Hong Kong, just learn Mandarin.

I recommend starting out learning some traditional and then transitioing into simplified (there are many shared characters and simplified just makes some of them faster to write) Traditional is dumb in the long run really.

As for where to start I'd say try to look for some software or a book that you can get cheap or for free and look up more stuff online.

some links from my high school Chinese/math teacher

Post too long. Click to view the whole post or the thread page.

5 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-10-09 14:13 ID:mQeYJ34d

Dont do it. It is crazy chink-spik, and GT is perfect with it.

6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-10-09 18:20 ID:Heaven


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8 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 14:10 ID:bc7XUUYc

it's hard, especially the pronounciation...

9 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-10-05 03:05 ID:9ajIFlEF

i dont ever plan to learn chinese however i know shyeh shyeh means thank you yet damn is thier culture and food fucking amazing

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Learning japanese (sensai is a prick) (7)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2008-10-09 18:28 ID:6s/AOiBJ

Allright, im only taking half a year of japanese, which is extremly fun and rather easy (realitivly easy) but when im done with this year i wish to progress, so far we are at quarter, and we've learned the basics of Hiragana, weve brushed a bit on kanji charecters, and ive studied them a bit on my own time (i plan on taking japanese in college, so next fall =/ Anywhos, would the lessons on work well? they seem to follow the order of learning simple stuff then applying the simple stuff to harder sentances and such.

The thing that I find hard is translation part, I can remeber simple phrases and such, "Kon-nichiwa, hajime mashite?" But how do they translate over to english, like notebook = NOOTO, but how would you go around translating the japenese charecters to make sence in english...seems like a daunting task =/

also my teacher is a faggot and wont let me get an A in the class, its stayed at a B+ 89% for this entire year T___T

oh, almost forgot, my teacher just says, THATS HOW IT WORKS IN JAPANESE, without any explanation on why it works that way or how it got that way

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2008-10-09 19:22 ID:GBVYNRqr

I like to think of different languages, especially Japanese and English, in terms of races in Starcraft. The overall purpose is the same (in this case, communication), but the more you try to break it down into individual units, the less similar they are. There's really not a one-to-one conversion for every word, since some things cover more than one word (or fractions of one) when translated. You just sort of have to work with what's there. Expose yourself to the language as much as you can...that's how you learned your first language, with all its inconsistencies.

And get both hiragana and katakana deeply engraved into your brain as soon as you can. The more they're reflexes to you, the better off you'll be. Do not, under any circumstances, put it off. Trust me.

Also, see if you can find some good japanese learning books and other resources on the internets. is okay, but there's a lot of better stuff. In any case, having the same thing explained a few different ways will help you learn it from a more round perspective.

Find people to practice with. Preferably including at least one native speaker.

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2008-10-10 09:46 ID:iuu95lsW

allright, thanks for responding, ive got a few sources, and i figure i can just use skype or some shit to find a actual native speaker...i do know a girl who goes to japan every now and then (shes got grand-parents down that way) and she can speak it rather well....also that Starcraft simile works great, that cleared up some confusion, thanks!

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2008-10-11 17:36 ID:Heaven

Since you spell sensei "sensai" I wouldn't give you an A either. Also, sage for obvious troll thread.

5 Name: YuruyBuriy : 2018-09-13 22:31 ID:k6lMuDqn

I learn Japanese with a friend from Japan, he constantly corrected me that I even thought that I could not learn the language. Hiroghama is a easy in comparison with many spelling words. Once he was so indignant that he gave me a laser engraved with hirogam !!! It's in my head that he settles that he ordered the engraving of these guys just because he's sick of my disgusting reading and pronunciation.

6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 14:11 ID:k2GXtWQ2

Watch anime with subtitres it helps

7 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-10-05 03:01 ID:qQ71A5dw

watch arime* wirrf* subtitres it herrps*

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Nederlands (7)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-04-18 19:03 ID:MwnSnD9T

Is there anybody who learns or knows Dutch? If there is, I'll be joyful to understand why he/she studies so unpopular tongue.

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-07-10 11:54 ID:53ujIRPI

Why unpopular?
I'm learning it because just because it's nice :-)

3 Name: garcel : 2013-03-13 04:40 ID:OhqUJd/Q


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6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 14:12 ID:cYD2QCLD

The dutch people will speak to you in english even if you know the language

7 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-17 03:31 ID:Heaven

See also: Literally every other non-natively English speaking European people that have lost their internal sense of identity under the locus of the Eternal Anglo's transnational melting pot.

v: redness

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latin (6)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-08-13 21:20 ID:TnokfFV1

So I graduated from middle school this year (germany). This means that I had to choose if I wanted to learn Latin for another year and get the Latin proficiency certificate that I would most likely fail anyways. I obviously chose not to go for another year and choose Japanese instead which is more fun to learn and actually useful as opposed to latin. Why am I posting this? I simply want to put my infinite harted for latin into words. There is nothing in this world that would make me do those 4 years over again. It was hell. The very moment you decide to not learn for one test or something THAT'S IT! YOU'RE DONE FOR THE NEXT 2 OR 3 YEARS. If you don't have EVERYTHING in your brain there is no chance in hell that you'll pass that next test. My friend chose to learn latin for another year. We all know that it'll be very hard. I wish him strenght. I'm afraid he might not make it. If you live in germany and plan on having kids or have kids that are going to have to chose between latin and french try to make them chose french. It's also fucking hrd but the lesser evil in my opinion. And it's again actually useful.

To all the latin students: Never give up!

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-10-17 08:19 ID:qml4dNMB

Failed Latin in high school. It was the only class I've ever failed in my life.

No regrets.

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-09-14 19:29 ID:pwv7seFN

I, like you, had to study Latin for a while in middle school (I think it corresponds to middle school. Different system). First I liked it, but I started slacking on my homework, and my grades started going down drastically, which in turn caused me to hate the subject/language.

However, in my fourth year of Latin, at the start of the year, I decided to do my homework again. And I loved it. I suddenly saw how beautiful the language looked and sounded, and how flexible the grammar was. I might never find a practical use for it, but if that's the only thing you care about, you're doing this whole life thing wrong.

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-09-14 19:53 ID:kLtoSShj

I wish they taught Latin where I went.
In middle school we could only learn Spanish or French, and while I liked French, I wish there was more variety. At the other middle and high school in the area, they had shit like German and Japanese.

5 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-09-25 03:58 ID:0PV9MkOn

My mother tried to teach me Latin (I was homeschooled) and I just ended up getting shouted at a lot. It's good to hear other people had a hard time with it too.

6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 14:01 ID:ozB0g6ZB

Used to learn Latin in the Uni but forget most of it sadly

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Should I learn two languages? (4)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-01-09 00:22 ID:mm+rs7O2

I have been learning Italian for a couple months now. I have been told that learning two languages isn't hard. I want to know French. I already know Spanish so I think that learning Italian and French won't be too hard for me. Tell me your thoughts!

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-01-14 20:52 ID:WLg3IXE8

If you feel the need - go for it! You can never know too many languages!
I myself know lithuanian (my native), russian, english and trying to slowly learm japanese.

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-12-26 17:50 ID:UsQtijE3

you should do it, if you like it!

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 13:59 ID:4Z8I5xva

Ti aspetto in Italia!

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I want to study English on this board. (6)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2013-12-08 07:15 ID:O+FXurdZ

I'm Japanese and 15 years old.

I have studied English for 3 years, but I can't speak English well.

Would you teach me English?

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2013-12-09 10:48 ID:jC36CvWt

Watashi wa nihongo wo benkyou shimasu. Kanji ya goi ya bunpou nado wa sonna ni muzukashiku nai ga demo kaiwa wa taihen desu. Hanashi aite ga nai kara nakanaka jouzu ni narimasen. Konna baai wa dou sureba ii no ka sappari wakarimasen...

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-01-11 01:37 ID:8EMjF1BV

Your written English looks fine to me. I'm do not check in here very often, so I'm not sure I could teach you well. Well, it's not like I'm a native speaker myself.

Japanese is so hard to read in romaji...

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-01-13 01:43 ID:mhOn4XzA

Actually Japanese is known for its easy pronunciation.

5 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-01-14 23:03 ID:jsOxc9j6

Yes, I also find it easy to pronounce. It's just that reading it in romaji throws me off, because I can't recognize the words right away, like with kanji.

6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 13:58 ID:W8ojpDto

Hi, what do you think about covid-19?

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English to Japanese translator (16)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-12 15:39 ID:j42kNkGn
Looks neat, a translation is added to each post form English to Japanese and the other way around too.

Question is, are the translations accurate?

7 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-20 18:58 ID:o2Ev1vmq

I mean the automatic engine.

8 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-20 19:00 ID:Heaven

Woops, mis-read that post.

So yeah, its Bing. Users being able to change the translation is good and I already noticed it, still disappointed that they don't own the engine itself.

9 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-20 22:22 ID:z+4xYJyG

Yeah, you'd think for a site like this they'd use their own engine.

10 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-21 23:21 ID:Yr2481Rc

How would owning the engine conceivably help?

11 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-22 03:02 ID:z+4xYJyG

they'd be able to change it, that is , make it better, rather than being limited to how poor quality the translations of bing may be.

12 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-23 04:24 ID:mgr/oU+V

Someone posted a link to 4-ch there, for better or for worse.

We got a reply though

>It seems to talk about the translation engine.
>In a multilingual Bulletin Board
>I thought "translation API + human modification" is more efficient and effective. I think for Tanobb translation engine in the future, development will be conducted.

The translation is a little garbled but you can probably understand it.

13 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-25 18:17 ID:kYXEIZx8

Oh hey look, someone got on that little 2ch thread:

     ( ゚ω゚ )  お断りします
    /    \
  ((⊂  )   ノ\つ))
      ヽ ヘ }
 ε≡Ξ ノノ `J

"To use when you want to reject others requests or suggestions."

Are we supposed to add those to the Study thread on the AA Bar? Does anyone even care anymore?

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16 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 13:57 ID:C+ir2P6L is great

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German reading recommendations (4)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2016-10-08 16:13 ID:4nI37Gaj

I'm between B1 and B2 and am trying to maintain my German skills while I can't take classes. What would people recommend reading and watching? I've been sticking to newspapers, mainly, and that gets a bit dull.

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2018-02-17 18:25 ID:EC8OC9Aa

Mein Kampf

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2018-07-10 05:53 ID:V5woAE38

Sorrows of Young Werther

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 13:56 ID:6HSP3UFj

Read news.

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