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hey
i'm very interested in chinese but i don't know where to start, i thought about learning the hanzi but, does mandarin use the same ideograms? do i have to learn mandarin or traditional chinese?
any good methods?

I suggest you learn Mandarin, which is spoken by most of Chinese people. The easiest way is to find a Chinese girlfriend lol.

i want to learn chinese too.. what the first step to learn chinese? and its not easy to get chinese girlfriend if they cannot speak english u know.. lol

Did you really just say mandarin or traditional?
mandarin and cantonese are the 2 main chinese dialects.
also, the methods of writing are simplifed and traditional, simplified was made to increase the literacy rate sometime around Mao and all the prgressive communist stuff

I speak some Mandarin due to where I grew up and taking it in school.

Mandarin is what most speak, so unless you want to like - go to Hong Kong, just learn Mandarin.

I recommend starting out learning some traditional and then transitioing into simplified (there are many shared characters and simplified just makes some of them faster to write) Traditional is dumb in the long run really.

As for where to start I'd say try to look for some software or a book that you can get cheap or for free and look up more stuff online.

some links from my high school Chinese/math teacher

Dont do it. It is crazy chink-spik, and GT is perfect with it.

CPC PLZ

it's hard, especially the pronounciation...

i dont ever plan to learn chinese however i know shyeh shyeh means thank you yet damn is thier culture and food fucking amazing

Allright, im only taking half a year of japanese, which is extremly fun and rather easy (realitivly easy) but when im done with this year i wish to progress, so far we are at quarter, and we've learned the basics of Hiragana, weve brushed a bit on kanji charecters, and ive studied them a bit on my own time (i plan on taking japanese in college, so next fall =/ Anywhos, would the lessons on about.com work well? they seem to follow the order of learning simple stuff then applying the simple stuff to harder sentances and such.

The thing that I find hard is translation part, I can remeber simple phrases and such, "Kon-nichiwa, hajime mashite?" But how do they translate over to english, like notebook = NOOTO, but how would you go around translating the japenese charecters to make sence in english...seems like a daunting task =/

also my teacher is a faggot and wont let me get an A in the class, its stayed at a B+ 89% for this entire year T___T

oh, almost forgot, my teacher just says, THATS HOW IT WORKS IN JAPANESE, without any explanation on why it works that way or how it got that way

I like to think of different languages, especially Japanese and English, in terms of races in Starcraft. The overall purpose is the same (in this case, communication), but the more you try to break it down into individual units, the less similar they are. There's really not a one-to-one conversion for every word, since some things cover more than one word (or fractions of one) when translated. You just sort of have to work with what's there. Expose yourself to the language as much as you can...that's how you learned your first language, with all its inconsistencies.

And get both hiragana and katakana deeply engraved into your brain as soon as you can. The more they're reflexes to you, the better off you'll be. Do not, under any circumstances, put it off. Trust me.

Also, see if you can find some good japanese learning books and other resources on the internets. About.com is okay, but there's a lot of better stuff. In any case, having the same thing explained a few different ways will help you learn it from a more round perspective.

Find people to practice with. Preferably including at least one native speaker.

allright, thanks for responding, ive got a few sources, and i figure i can just use skype or some shit to find a actual native speaker...i do know a girl who goes to japan every now and then (shes got grand-parents down that way) and she can speak it rather well....also that Starcraft simile works great, that cleared up some confusion, thanks!

I learn Japanese with a friend from Japan, he constantly corrected me that I even thought that I could not learn the language. Hiroghama is a easy in comparison with many spelling words. Once he was so indignant that he gave me a laser engraved with hirogam !!! It's in my head that he settles that he ordered the engraving of these guys https://polarengraving.com/ just because he's sick of my disgusting reading and pronunciation.

Watch anime with subtitres it helps

watch arime* wirrf* subtitres it herrps*

"Learning these 9 languages could lead to higher-paying jobs in Britain" "9 languages which will help you earn more in Britain" German, Arabic, French, Dutch, Spanish, Japanese, Russian, Italian, Mandarin Chinese. http://uk.businessinsider.com/9-languages-which-will-help-you-earn-more-in-britain-2016-9

it takes a lot of time though..

"though" (O.O)

Is there anybody who learns or knows Dutch? If there is, I'll be joyful to understand why he/she studies so unpopular tongue.

Why unpopular?
I'm learning it because just because it's nice :-)

>tongue

The dutch people will speak to you in english even if you know the language

>>6
See also: Literally every other non-natively English speaking European people that have lost their internal sense of identity under the locus of the Eternal Anglo's transnational melting pot.

v: redness

So I graduated from middle school this year (germany). This means that I had to choose if I wanted to learn Latin for another year and get the Latin proficiency certificate that I would most likely fail anyways. I obviously chose not to go for another year and choose Japanese instead which is more fun to learn and actually useful as opposed to latin. Why am I posting this? I simply want to put my infinite harted for latin into words. There is nothing in this world that would make me do those 4 years over again. It was hell. The very moment you decide to not learn for one test or something THAT'S IT! YOU'RE DONE FOR THE NEXT 2 OR 3 YEARS. If you don't have EVERYTHING in your brain there is no chance in hell that you'll pass that next test. My friend chose to learn latin for another year. We all know that it'll be very hard. I wish him strenght. I'm afraid he might not make it. If you live in germany and plan on having kids or have kids that are going to have to chose between latin and french try to make them chose french. It's also fucking hrd but the lesser evil in my opinion. And it's again actually useful.

To all the latin students: Never give up!

Failed Latin in high school. It was the only class I've ever failed in my life.

No regrets.

I, like you, had to study Latin for a while in middle school (I think it corresponds to middle school. Different system). First I liked it, but I started slacking on my homework, and my grades started going down drastically, which in turn caused me to hate the subject/language.

However, in my fourth year of Latin, at the start of the year, I decided to do my homework again. And I loved it. I suddenly saw how beautiful the language looked and sounded, and how flexible the grammar was. I might never find a practical use for it, but if that's the only thing you care about, you're doing this whole life thing wrong.

I wish they taught Latin where I went.
In middle school we could only learn Spanish or French, and while I liked French, I wish there was more variety. At the other middle and high school in the area, they had shit like German and Japanese.

My mother tried to teach me Latin (I was homeschooled) and I just ended up getting shouted at a lot. It's good to hear other people had a hard time with it too.

Used to learn Latin in the Uni but forget most of it sadly

I have been learning Italian for a couple months now. I have been told that learning two languages isn't hard. I want to know French. I already know Spanish so I think that learning Italian and French won't be too hard for me. Tell me your thoughts!

If you feel the need - go for it! You can never know too many languages!
I myself know lithuanian (my native), russian, english and trying to slowly learm japanese.

you should do it, if you like it!

Ti aspetto in Italia!

I'm Japanese and 15 years old.

I have studied English for 3 years, but I can't speak English well.
Why...

Would you teach me English?

Watashi wa nihongo wo benkyou shimasu. Kanji ya goi ya bunpou nado wa sonna ni muzukashiku nai ga demo kaiwa wa taihen desu. Hanashi aite ga nai kara nakanaka jouzu ni narimasen. Konna baai wa dou sureba ii no ka sappari wakarimasen...

>>1
Your written English looks fine to me. I'm do not check in here very often, so I'm not sure I could teach you well. Well, it's not like I'm a native speaker myself.

>>2
Japanese is so hard to read in romaji...

>>3
Actually Japanese is known for its easy pronunciation.

>>4
Yes, I also find it easy to pronounce. It's just that reading it in romaji throws me off, because I can't recognize the words right away, like with kanji.

Hi, what do you think about covid-19?

I'm between B1 and B2 and am trying to maintain my German skills while I can't take classes. What would people recommend reading and watching? I've been sticking to newspapers, mainly, and that gets a bit dull.

Mein Kampf

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