Language @4-ch

Language @4-ch

English: Talk about languages, communication, linguistics or anything of that nature. All languages are welcome for discussion, and everyone should respect each other's language. Please keep Japanese language related discussion here thank you.

日本語: 言語、コミュニケーション、言語学または何についてでも話してください。全ての言語が議論のために歓迎され、誰でも互いの言語を尊重しなければなりません。日本語に関連した議論はここでしてください。

Français: Parler des langues, la communication, la linguistique ou n'importe quoi de cette nature. Toutes langues sont bienvenues pour la discussion, et tout le monde doit respecter la langue. S'il vous plaît garder la discussion en Japonais ici, merci beaucoup.

Español: Para charlar sobre idiomas, la lingüística, y qualquier cosa de ese tipo. Todos los idiomas son bienvenidos para la discusión y todos deben respetar el idioma del uno al otro. Por favor mantengan discusiones en Japonés aquí, gracias.

Svenska: Här talar vi om språk, lingvistik o. dyl. Alla språk är välkomna och ni förväntas respektera andra användares språk. Vänligen håll Japanska-diskussioner inom detta forum, tack!

Deutsch: Gespräche über Sprachen, Kommunikation, Linguistik oder Ähnliches. Alle Sprachen sind willkommen und jeder sollte die anderen Sprachen respektieren. Bitte Diskussionen über die japanische Sprache auf dieses Forum beschränken, vielen Dank.

Português: Converse sobre idiomas, comunicação, lingüística ou qualquer tema relacionado. Todos os idiomas são bemvindos para a discussão, e todos devem respeitar o idioma alheio de cada um. Por favor mantenham as discussões relacionadas ao Japonês aqui. Obrigado.
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Nederlands (7)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-04-18 19:03 ID:MwnSnD9T

Is there anybody who learns or knows Dutch? If there is, I'll be joyful to understand why he/she studies so unpopular tongue.

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-07-10 11:54 ID:53ujIRPI

Why unpopular?
I'm learning it because just because it's nice :-)

3 Name: garcel : 2013-03-13 04:40 ID:OhqUJd/Q

>tongue

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6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 14:12 ID:cYD2QCLD

The dutch people will speak to you in english even if you know the language

7 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-17 03:31 ID:Heaven

>>6
See also: Literally every other non-natively English speaking European people that have lost their internal sense of identity under the locus of the Eternal Anglo's transnational melting pot.

v: redness

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Learning japanese (sensai is a prick) (6)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2008-10-09 18:28 ID:6s/AOiBJ

Allright, im only taking half a year of japanese, which is extremly fun and rather easy (realitivly easy) but when im done with this year i wish to progress, so far we are at quarter, and we've learned the basics of Hiragana, weve brushed a bit on kanji charecters, and ive studied them a bit on my own time (i plan on taking japanese in college, so next fall =/ Anywhos, would the lessons on about.com work well? they seem to follow the order of learning simple stuff then applying the simple stuff to harder sentances and such.

The thing that I find hard is translation part, I can remeber simple phrases and such, "Kon-nichiwa, hajime mashite?" But how do they translate over to english, like notebook = NOOTO, but how would you go around translating the japenese charecters to make sence in english...seems like a daunting task =/

also my teacher is a faggot and wont let me get an A in the class, its stayed at a B+ 89% for this entire year T___T

oh, almost forgot, my teacher just says, THATS HOW IT WORKS IN JAPANESE, without any explanation on why it works that way or how it got that way

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2008-10-09 19:22 ID:GBVYNRqr

I like to think of different languages, especially Japanese and English, in terms of races in Starcraft. The overall purpose is the same (in this case, communication), but the more you try to break it down into individual units, the less similar they are. There's really not a one-to-one conversion for every word, since some things cover more than one word (or fractions of one) when translated. You just sort of have to work with what's there. Expose yourself to the language as much as you can...that's how you learned your first language, with all its inconsistencies.

And get both hiragana and katakana deeply engraved into your brain as soon as you can. The more they're reflexes to you, the better off you'll be. Do not, under any circumstances, put it off. Trust me.

Also, see if you can find some good japanese learning books and other resources on the internets. About.com is okay, but there's a lot of better stuff. In any case, having the same thing explained a few different ways will help you learn it from a more round perspective.

Find people to practice with. Preferably including at least one native speaker.

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2008-10-10 09:46 ID:iuu95lsW

allright, thanks for responding, ive got a few sources, and i figure i can just use skype or some shit to find a actual native speaker...i do know a girl who goes to japan every now and then (shes got grand-parents down that way) and she can speak it rather well....also that Starcraft simile works great, that cleared up some confusion, thanks!

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2008-10-11 17:36 ID:Heaven

Since you spell sensei "sensai" I wouldn't give you an A either. Also, sage for obvious troll thread.

5 Name: YuruyBuriy : 2018-09-13 22:31 ID:k6lMuDqn

I learn Japanese with a friend from Japan, he constantly corrected me that I even thought that I could not learn the language. Hiroghama is a easy in comparison with many spelling words. Once he was so indignant that he gave me a laser engraved with hirogam !!! It's in my head that he settles that he ordered the engraving of these guys https://polarengraving.com/ just because he's sick of my disgusting reading and pronunciation.

6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 14:11 ID:k2GXtWQ2

Watch anime with subtitres it helps

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Start Learning Chinese (8)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-09-02 10:10 ID:BSgsJSHi

hey
i'm very interested in chinese but i don't know where to start, i thought about learning the hanzi but, does mandarin use the same ideograms? do i have to learn mandarin or traditional chinese?
any good methods?

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-09-12 19:49 ID:q1H/fYCM

I suggest you learn Mandarin, which is spoken by most of Chinese people. The easiest way is to find a Chinese girlfriend lol.

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2012-02-12 13:20 ID:ZinqedrI

i want to learn chinese too.. what the first step to learn chinese? and its not easy to get chinese girlfriend if they cannot speak english u know.. lol

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2012-02-16 01:40 ID:OZfResYL

Did you really just say mandarin or traditional?
mandarin and cantonese are the 2 main chinese dialects.
also, the methods of writing are simplifed and traditional, simplified was made to increase the literacy rate sometime around Mao and all the prgressive communist stuff

I speak some Mandarin due to where I grew up and taking it in school.

Mandarin is what most speak, so unless you want to like - go to Hong Kong, just learn Mandarin.

I recommend starting out learning some traditional and then transitioing into simplified (there are many shared characters and simplified just makes some of them faster to write) Traditional is dumb in the long run really.

As for where to start I'd say try to look for some software or a book that you can get cheap or for free and look up more stuff online.

some links from my high school Chinese/math teacher

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5 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-10-09 14:13 ID:mQeYJ34d

Dont do it. It is crazy chink-spik, and GT is perfect with it.

6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-10-09 18:20 ID:Heaven

CPC PLZ

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8 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 14:10 ID:bc7XUUYc

it's hard, especially the pronounciation...

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To: Britain citizens/residents (2)

1 Name: Business Insider : 2016-11-20 08:11 ID:GpRZtg/4

"Learning these 9 languages could lead to higher-paying jobs in Britain" "9 languages which will help you earn more in Britain" German, Arabic, French, Dutch, Spanish, Japanese, Russian, Italian, Mandarin Chinese. http://uk.businessinsider.com/9-languages-which-will-help-you-earn-more-in-britain-2016-9

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 14:02 ID:jWU7VzgP

it takes a lot of time though..

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latin (6)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-08-13 21:20 ID:TnokfFV1

So I graduated from middle school this year (germany). This means that I had to choose if I wanted to learn Latin for another year and get the Latin proficiency certificate that I would most likely fail anyways. I obviously chose not to go for another year and choose Japanese instead which is more fun to learn and actually useful as opposed to latin. Why am I posting this? I simply want to put my infinite harted for latin into words. There is nothing in this world that would make me do those 4 years over again. It was hell. The very moment you decide to not learn for one test or something THAT'S IT! YOU'RE DONE FOR THE NEXT 2 OR 3 YEARS. If you don't have EVERYTHING in your brain there is no chance in hell that you'll pass that next test. My friend chose to learn latin for another year. We all know that it'll be very hard. I wish him strenght. I'm afraid he might not make it. If you live in germany and plan on having kids or have kids that are going to have to chose between latin and french try to make them chose french. It's also fucking hrd but the lesser evil in my opinion. And it's again actually useful.

To all the latin students: Never give up!

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-10-17 08:19 ID:qml4dNMB

Failed Latin in high school. It was the only class I've ever failed in my life.

No regrets.

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-09-14 19:29 ID:pwv7seFN

I, like you, had to study Latin for a while in middle school (I think it corresponds to middle school. Different system). First I liked it, but I started slacking on my homework, and my grades started going down drastically, which in turn caused me to hate the subject/language.

However, in my fourth year of Latin, at the start of the year, I decided to do my homework again. And I loved it. I suddenly saw how beautiful the language looked and sounded, and how flexible the grammar was. I might never find a practical use for it, but if that's the only thing you care about, you're doing this whole life thing wrong.

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-09-14 19:53 ID:kLtoSShj

I wish they taught Latin where I went.
In middle school we could only learn Spanish or French, and while I liked French, I wish there was more variety. At the other middle and high school in the area, they had shit like German and Japanese.

5 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-09-25 03:58 ID:0PV9MkOn

My mother tried to teach me Latin (I was homeschooled) and I just ended up getting shouted at a lot. It's good to hear other people had a hard time with it too.

6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 14:01 ID:ozB0g6ZB

Used to learn Latin in the Uni but forget most of it sadly

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Should I learn two languages? (4)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-01-09 00:22 ID:mm+rs7O2

I have been learning Italian for a couple months now. I have been told that learning two languages isn't hard. I want to know French. I already know Spanish so I think that learning Italian and French won't be too hard for me. Tell me your thoughts!

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-01-14 20:52 ID:WLg3IXE8

If you feel the need - go for it! You can never know too many languages!
I myself know lithuanian (my native), russian, english and trying to slowly learm japanese.

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-12-26 17:50 ID:UsQtijE3

you should do it, if you like it!

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 13:59 ID:4Z8I5xva

Ti aspetto in Italia!

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I want to study English on this board. (6)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2013-12-08 07:15 ID:O+FXurdZ

I'm Japanese and 15 years old.

I have studied English for 3 years, but I can't speak English well.
Why...

Would you teach me English?

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2013-12-09 10:48 ID:jC36CvWt

Watashi wa nihongo wo benkyou shimasu. Kanji ya goi ya bunpou nado wa sonna ni muzukashiku nai ga demo kaiwa wa taihen desu. Hanashi aite ga nai kara nakanaka jouzu ni narimasen. Konna baai wa dou sureba ii no ka sappari wakarimasen...

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-01-11 01:37 ID:8EMjF1BV

>>1
Your written English looks fine to me. I'm do not check in here very often, so I'm not sure I could teach you well. Well, it's not like I'm a native speaker myself.

>>2
Japanese is so hard to read in romaji...

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-01-13 01:43 ID:mhOn4XzA

>>3
Actually Japanese is known for its easy pronunciation.

5 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-01-14 23:03 ID:jsOxc9j6

>>4
Yes, I also find it easy to pronounce. It's just that reading it in romaji throws me off, because I can't recognize the words right away, like with kanji.

6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 13:58 ID:W8ojpDto

Hi, what do you think about covid-19?

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English to Japanese translator (16)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-12 15:39 ID:j42kNkGn

https://en.tanobb.com/
Looks neat, a translation is added to each post form English to Japanese and the other way around too.

Question is, are the translations accurate?

7 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-20 18:58 ID:o2Ev1vmq

>>6
I mean the automatic engine.

8 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-20 19:00 ID:Heaven

>>6
>>7
Woops, mis-read that post.

So yeah, its Bing. Users being able to change the translation is good and I already noticed it, still disappointed that they don't own the engine itself.

9 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-20 22:22 ID:z+4xYJyG

>>8
Yeah, you'd think for a site like this they'd use their own engine.

10 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-21 23:21 ID:Yr2481Rc

>>9
How would owning the engine conceivably help?

11 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-22 03:02 ID:z+4xYJyG

>>10
they'd be able to change it, that is , make it better, rather than being limited to how poor quality the translations of bing may be.

12 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-23 04:24 ID:mgr/oU+V

Someone posted a link to 4-ch there, for better or for worse.

We got a reply though

>It seems to talk about the translation engine.
>In a multilingual Bulletin Board
>I thought "translation API + human modification" is more efficient and effective. I think for Tanobb translation engine in the future, development will be conducted.

The translation is a little garbled but you can probably understand it.

13 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-25 18:17 ID:kYXEIZx8

Oh hey look, someone got on that little 2ch thread:

      ハ,,ハ
     ( ゚ω゚ )  お断りします
    /    \
  ((⊂  )   ノ\つ))
     (_⌒ヽ
      ヽ ヘ }
 ε≡Ξ ノノ `J


"To use when you want to reject others requests or suggestions."

Are we supposed to add those to the Study thread on the AA Bar? Does anyone even care anymore?

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16 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 13:57 ID:C+ir2P6L

deepl.com is great

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German reading recommendations (4)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2016-10-08 16:13 ID:4nI37Gaj

I'm between B1 and B2 and am trying to maintain my German skills while I can't take classes. What would people recommend reading and watching? I've been sticking to newspapers, mainly, and that gets a bit dull.

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2018-02-17 18:25 ID:EC8OC9Aa

Mein Kampf

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2018-07-10 05:53 ID:V5woAE38

Sorrows of Young Werther

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 13:56 ID:6HSP3UFj

Read news.

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這是中文板!!! (90)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2006-03-14 21:11 ID:L9AEFNU8

你好, 這裡是中文板, 我們可以寫什麽都可, 只要是中文便可.

81 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-04-25 09:58 ID:Heaven

>>48

有個中國語言的討論版。http://buugaa.com

我是越南人

82 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-05-17 14:32 ID:l0ZJUvOW

臣領旨

83 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2011-05-20 06:33 ID:Ah//WPjA

没有人看这儿吗?

84 Name: n : 2012-03-02 09:30 ID:Tdlq15fv

LOL
中文版

板 - refers to a wood block

85 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2012-04-26 05:45 ID:cUUune0w

板: 看"板"
版: 版本
此串用"板"沒錯啊

86 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2012-09-29 02:18 ID:r4gp6gjw

表示这里还有活着的中国人存在。。。
代表2ch吧问候4ch

87 Name: air kangen : 2016-03-07 02:51 ID:4NQ5kCa0

動之徐生保此道者不欲盈夫唯不盈故能敝而新成致虚極守靜篤萬物竝作吾以觀復夫物芸芸各
歸其根歸根曰靜是謂復命復命曰常知常曰明不知常妄作凶知常容容之公公之王王之天天之道
道之久沒身不殆大上下知有之其次親而譽之其次畏之其次侮之信不足焉有不信焉悠兮其貴言
功成事遂百姓皆謂我自然大道廢有仁義智慧出有大僞六親不和有孝慈國家昏亂有忠臣絶聖棄
智民利百倍絶仁棄義民復孝慈絶巧棄利盜賊無有此三者以爲文不足故令有所屬見素抱樸少私
寡欲絶學無憂唯之與阿相去幾何善之與惡相去何若人之所畏不可不畏荒兮其未央哉衆人熙熙
如享太牢如春登臺我獨泊兮其未兆如嬰兒之未孩纍纍兮若無所歸衆人皆有餘而我獨若遺我愚
人之心也哉沌沌兮俗人昭昭我獨昏昏俗人察察我獨悶悶澹兮其若海飂兮若無止衆人皆有以而
我獨頑似鄙我獨異於人而貴食母孔德之容惟道是從道之爲物惟恍惟惚惚兮恍兮其中有象恍兮
惚兮其中有物窈兮冥兮其中有精其精其眞其中有信自古及今其名不去以閲衆甫吾何以知衆甫
之状哉以此曲則全枉則直窪則盈敝則新少則得多則惑是以聖人抱一爲天下式不自見故明不自
是故彰不自伐故有功不自矜故長夫惟不爭故天下莫能與之爭古之所謂曲則全者豈虚言哉誠全
而歸之稀言自然故飄風不終朝驟雨不終日孰爲此者天地天地尚不能久而況尽人乎故從事尽道
者道者同尽道德者同尽德失者同尽失同尽道者道亦樂得之同尽德者德亦樂得之同尽失者失亦

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88 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2017-11-15 13:04 ID:BAbSK0dK

Chinese wooden boards are nice but Hokkien wooden boards are better

89 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2018-01-01 16:11 ID:IwCxU+PV

yeah

90 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2021-09-01 13:56 ID:JuXuDpvW

台湾是中国

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