Language @4-ch

Language @4-ch

English: Talk about languages, communication, linguistics or anything of that nature. All languages are welcome for discussion, and everyone should respect each other's language. Please keep Japanese language related discussion here thank you.

日本語: 言語、コミュニケーション、言語学または何についてでも話してください。全ての言語が議論のために歓迎され、誰でも互いの言語を尊重しなければなりません。日本語に関連した議論はここでしてください。

Français: Parler des langues, la communication, la linguistique ou n'importe quoi de cette nature. Toutes langues sont bienvenues pour la discussion, et tout le monde doit respecter la langue. S'il vous plaît garder la discussion en Japonais ici, merci beaucoup.

Español: Para charlar sobre idiomas, la lingüística, y qualquier cosa de ese tipo. Todos los idiomas son bienvenidos para la discusión y todos deben respetar el idioma del uno al otro. Por favor mantengan discusiones en Japonés aquí, gracias.

Svenska: Här talar vi om språk, lingvistik o. dyl. Alla språk är välkomna och ni förväntas respektera andra användares språk. Vänligen håll Japanska-diskussioner inom detta forum, tack!

Deutsch: Gespräche über Sprachen, Kommunikation, Linguistik oder Ähnliches. Alle Sprachen sind willkommen und jeder sollte die anderen Sprachen respektieren. Bitte Diskussionen über die japanische Sprache auf dieses Forum beschränken, vielen Dank.

Português: Converse sobre idiomas, comunicação, lingüística ou qualquer tema relacionado. Todos os idiomas são bemvindos para a discussão, e todos devem respeitar o idioma alheio de cada um. Por favor mantenham as discussões relacionadas ao Japonês aqui. Obrigado.
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Learning new languages! (4)

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Esperanto. (3)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2007-07-24 00:06 ID:A/HsDVet

Certe, estas esperantistoj chie, chu ne? Kie estas 4-ch Esperantistoj? Salutigu nin!

Also, discuss how only crazy peaceniks and mad Polish optometrists learn Esperanto.

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2017-05-15 06:40 ID:aJQP5Vvo

Saluton!

Mi volas paroli sed mi estas eterna komencanto.

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2017-05-20 16:27 ID:AphWyQtp

Ĉi tiu fadeno estas preskaŭ dekjara.

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Constructed langauges in general (10)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-12-13 03:01 ID:4xl+8UX0

Lets talk about fake language, in general. Constructing languages yourself, fake language-like writing or talking, existing conlangs, etc!
Ive been trying to build a langauge. I swear Ill actually make some progress on that, someday. As of now I just have a bit of a meaningless poem that demonstrates general sound and appearance
"Slol ne snla snal sesha svang
slol ne snla snlath thnale thrang
snalas fel plr slo mlgn zha
zhe natha
Nyaath al sol ath sava ast
ngathath al so shar navast
sthaf nel ra zhaf alt a
zhe sl ftha natha"

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-12-14 02:57 ID:cKunpnIz

esperanto is shit
ido and volapük 4 life

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-12-14 02:58 ID:Heaven

also OP could you give an IPA rendering of that?
or vocaroo it so we can more accurately see / hear how it sounds.

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-12-14 04:36 ID:Heaven

>>3
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0vmTO5B65PQ
Basically, mostly unvocalized, r's and l's are similar but distinguished, vowels are mostly sorta soft, kinda low-nasally mushy accent, I guess.
Other little things ive written to try and illustrate its sound arent quite so restricted in their sound, so this is supposed to be poetry in it, deliberately made to sound one specific way even in it.

5 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-12-19 00:49 ID:Heaven

>>4
At times it sounds as if you are saying "schlong" as in "big long schlong dong."

6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-12-19 17:27 ID:4xl+8UX0

>>5
well schlong is almost certainly a word in the language, it fits with others perfectly. Maybe 'Long Schlong' is a name.

7 Name: Piqard : 2015-12-22 09:36 ID:j7Y884N/

What about klingon? They have their own language institute!

8 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-12-23 23:31 ID:4xl+8UX0

>>2
Esperanto may be a shit, but its pretty cool that there exists a conlang with native speakers.

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10 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2017-05-15 06:56 ID:jmnprGbH

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Toki Pona! (5)

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Conlangs (7)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2007-09-27 17:39 ID:nTUpCfpZ

So, tell me what you think of conlangs.

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2007-09-27 22:54 ID:bMNDEf/b

Garich i dhôl goll o Orch.

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2007-09-30 14:09 ID:aBIurgJ0

>>1

It's kinda fun, personally. I like to play around with language and the grammar of a language.

I think Auxlangs (the ones made solely to facilatate communication) are fun, but I've yet to see one get enough speakers to be truely useful. Most get about 10,000 mostly from the same country. There's really no point to making a language that won't cross cultures. And they're really all Eurolangs -- so they're easy if you're a eurofag, but no chinese, korean, or iranian is going to recognize anything.

I've been looking at hanzi and kanji and that seems like the best approach. An international WRITTEN system. Something like having a set of symbols that everyone recognizes, and could be combined with other symbols to produce new words. You'd see a symbol for many trees and know it's a forest, or a symbol composed of "house" and "medicine" and know you're at a doctor's office. Even if you're reading the sign and mentally saying "doctor" in swahili, you'd recognize it in Japan, the US, Malasia, etc.

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2007-10-10 21:24 ID:oZVJEawL

>>3
Did you read the Diamond Age?
In it, mankind has developed a system akin to what you describe, called Logoglyphics. Alas, many uneducated people never learn to read because they can rely on the symbols to navigate life, and as a result the populace becomes inarticulate and petty.

5 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2007-10-11 09:07 ID:MMYYdkBN

Auxlangs are very silly things that will never see any meaningful success.
Conlangs as part of a greater creative work are kinda neat I guess, though it always disturbs me to think that many of such writers care more about making a world than a story, which isn't working with the medium. You aren't trying to write a series of fantasy novels, you're trying to write an atlas.
Other artlangs are all around rad. Particularly personal ones. I've been playing around with the idea of trying to make one, but I want to learn Sanskrit and Spanish first, and I want to have someone to talk to (so ronery ;_;).

6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2007-10-13 22:11 ID:aBIurgJ0

>>4

No, but I was playing around with Blisssymbolics (http://www.blissymbolics.org/) and it seems as though something like that could actually work -- if you could have a standard system for combining compound words. Basicly something like how a Hanzi symbol is built from radicals and simpler Hanzi. If something like that could be made to work, and a standard international alphabet were adopted for names and places, it could be used anywhere.

Hopefully it wouldn't replace natural languages, just serve as a way to help forgeiners find the bathroom and the hospital.

But even if a form of international "Hanzi" were adopted, I don't think you'd be any less literate than a Chinese person today. They can read Hanzi, and they are pretty well informed about the world.

>>5

I think in some cases getting the world right helps you get the story right. For example, knowing that the people of Ja'lath don't speak language the same as the Khafen helps to settle the question of how or why they communicate, and even if they can. Knowing that those two groups fought several protracted wars over the last 200 years can help you to decide on conflicts and twists. History is a big part of who you are. I have certain beliefs because I was born in America, in a period of relative peace. I'd believe differently if I'd been born an Indian Hindu living in Kashmir when both nations have nukes. Language, Culture and History are a big part of our beliefs.

7 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2017-05-15 06:45 ID:7tzH1+CV

What is a "conlang", a thieves' cant? I think you mean planned languages.

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la .lojban. (5)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2013-08-01 23:17 ID:vVvCklnv

So, I've been learning Lojban for a few months. How many of you here speak it? Has anyone here heard of it?

la .lojban. mutce banli .i mi selneimau tavla fo la .lojban. seba'i la .gliban.

2 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2013-08-04 00:00 ID:uK7wGCFT

I've heard of it. Maybe I just didn't take enough time with it, but it kind of struck me as "Esperanto is bad because it's too eurocentric, so let's fix that by making a language that's incomprehensible to everyone."

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-04-28 18:29 ID:po0Tjt3v

It is also to evade loglan copyrights

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2016-11-11 04:18 ID:gppOB/bG

dicks out for Harambe

5 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2017-05-15 06:29 ID:SCj5Irjy

>2

Lojban is not an auxiliary language, although it has features that would make a good one. Given that it was designed as a science experiment, it has to be as neutral as possible.

>1

.i mi do zo'e la .lojban. tavla ni'o mi'e .cizypij.

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What's the worst language? (13)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2013-01-23 12:18 ID:IMlqzpyd

What is the worst language in your opinion? As a really wordy guy, I don't really like english. It's useful, nice to hear and easy to speak but to write, I really hate it. It's too hard and even sometimes impossible to precisely express what I'd like to say.

I'm not into japanese anymore. It's kinda cool to speak but honnestly I got fed up with the culture (few travels and a lot of disillusions). I'm more into korean and cantonese (I don't speak it very well but I'm in love with Hong Kong's cinema).

What is yours?

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2013-02-03 21:19 ID:YDS44u1d

>>3

>but when people start talking about how Japanese do everything better, how Japanese is so much prettier than anything else and how they have wet dreams about moving to Japan to teach English, the bloom goes off the language for me.

lol, me and a friend speak at about a 5rd grade level and read at a 3rd grade. And we both read manga and watch anime, umadbro?

Honestly Japanese spoken language is really vague, there are lot's of words and particles that can mean practically anything. And how you speak changes based on who you're talking to. Which is not exactly a bad thing but it causes me a lot a embarrassment when I talk to someone in a standard way, and I'm supposed to be addressing them as a lesser.

Also

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5 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2013-02-07 20:53 ID:Heaven

Perl.

6 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-04-02 23:49 ID:wdZM44Kw

>>4
Kanji are beautiful. Especially when written large and carefully.

As for the original question, I think both Turkish and Hungarian look horrible on the page.

Just look at these samples, both from the wikipedia page for 'Chicken' in Hungarian and Turkish:

>Hungarian

A házityúk (Gallus gallus domesticus) a bankivatyúk háziasított változata, amely a tyúkalakúak (Galliformes) rendjébe és a fácánfélék (Phasianidae) családjába tartozó faj, gazdaságilag a baromfikhoz sorolják őket.

>Turkish

Tavuk (Latince: Gallus gallus domesticus), sülüngiller (Latince: Phasianidae) familyasından evcilleştirilebilir bir kuş türüdür ve genelde çiftliklerde yetiştirilir. Hindistan'da Asya'nın güneydoğusundaki kırmızı Hint kuşundan geldiğine inanılır.

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7 Name: Various Diseases : 2015-07-28 13:14 ID:+MutogXo

Tangalog is the ugliest worst language; If anyone [from anywhere on this planet] is using Tangalog, they are contributing to more linguicides all over the planet.

8 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-25 18:41 ID:tidczCU7

Old Norse was the strangest/hardest language I studied at all, but it didn't help that the textbook was shit and full of typos.

9 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-08-26 03:25 ID:TNT3hEDh

>>8
what's so bad about Old Norse?
I've been studying Old english for a bit, and it hasn't been so bad.

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13 Name: Cult Group Member : 2017-04-06 11:44 ID:UQdJL9Ym

Consider yourselves luckier you are neither a Tangalized non-Tangalog ethnic, nor born an ethnic Tangalog.

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Do you think korean, cantonese and japanese sound cool? (142)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2008-03-17 04:43 ID:X/LDlAfh

I do, what do you think?

133 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-09-12 01:05 ID:fDy2YLiv

Korean sounds just like tajiki or uzbeki. i fucking hate all those gooks

134 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2014-09-13 16:22 ID:UTioypWl

Эй пиздоглазый, китай это кал!

135 Name: K : 2015-02-13 08:41 ID:B8JtC0dC

I speak Cantonese, Mandarin, a bit Japanese and Korean. But Cantonese is my mother tongue. To me, these are all distinct languages that are not similar to each other. I think Cantonese/Mandarin/Korean can sound gentle/rude, depending on your tone. But Japanese is always gentle lol I dunno why, even when people are scolding/shouting.

136 Name: Walst : 2015-02-23 19:45 ID:4+JCZ8Wy

I don't think so, I like english sound.

137 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2015-03-06 17:37 ID:EhgtVbPZ

I really like cantonese. It sounds sharp, and cool for that. Mandarin is much more beautiful, pretty lovely really. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-qxGhkRojc . Cantonese sounds 'cooler' though.
Why mention japanese and korean? Those are from a completely different language family, and its contentious if they're even related. Thats like asking for an opinion about spanish, berber and arabic.
Japanese sounds nice, anyways, but i've no opinion on korean.

138 Name: kangen water : 2016-03-07 02:48 ID:te6/6TfV

There's a lot of ignorance in this thread. First of all, what gives anyone the right to say which language is "better" only by its sounds? Sure, they are all your VALUABLE opinions, but if anyone cared to value their thoughts so much, then they would have at least thought twice before they typed in anything useful.

I think how a language sounds depends on a mixture of your cultural background and how you experienced the language in your life. A Cantonese speaker might as well call English an ugly, displeasing language if they heard it the first time, and came across a rudely loud English tourist. A lot of Asians think it is essential to learn English though, because they immediately associate English speakers= intelligent and 'classy'.

Same thing with kids in America. They usually come across a group of Asians speaking loudly for the first time, got annoyed by how strange and different it sounds, matched it with how they seemed to behave so rudely (when really it's just their cultural tendency), and called the language ugly and displeasing.

So my point is, it's pointless to argue which language sounds more 'elegant' or more 'pleasing' because it's going to differ for EVERY INDIVIDUAL.

139 Name: cheersfam00000 : 2016-04-03 11:47 ID:8kF2rbeB

Some people don't seem to understand the difference between Mandarin and Cantonese, some think that "Chinese" is just Cantonese sounding.

If you hear a wonky sounding language, its Cantonese. If you hear a smoother and more Korean/Japanese sounding Language, its Mandarin. Mandarin and Cantonese are very different SOUNDING languages.

Mandarin is a NORTHERN language whilst Cantonese being SOUTHERN.

When men speak Mandarin(especially talk show hosts) it reminds me of Russian and German with "Zh Sh Ch Nye Mie Xie" sounds. Pretty masculine. When women speak Mandarin it sounds more like Korean and Japanese with softer pronunciations.

Of course with China's enourmous size there are many different dialects, but im talking about Standard Mandarin/Beijing Mandarin. For example Mandarin sounds more Turkic and Mongolic towards the west, and can sound more Manchurian towards the north, etc.

Cantonese on the other hand sounds very much like Vietnamese and Thai, well obviously because those groups are right next to each other.

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140 Name: Yuki : 2016-05-24 21:03 ID:6n6G2NuN

being a cantonese speaker, i've never actually thought that canto was a harsh language until i saw some people talking about it online and i was like 'oh wait, cantonese really is a harsh language,' to westerners, i guess.

mandarin is a more poetic language imo- but it can be both nice-sounding or ugly-sounding depending on the speaker. one of the things that bug me though, is the way it's, alot of the time, spoken in a high voice; it can get kind of piercing after a while.

my mom speaks hakka and malay. hakka honestly sounds a lot like cantonese and vietnamese; people who haven't heard the languages before could probably mistake hakka for viet, viet for canto, or anyway really.

korean is one of my favourite languages. i love the eo and the ui sounds they have, and the way many of their words end in -l or -k. sounds completed i guess.

i used to really like japanese, but as i heard it more and more, i guess it just got a bit boring--? there isn't anything really interesting, its all consonant sound, vowel, consonant sound, vowel, consonant sound. there's also the fact how all (as far as i know) of their words end in a vowel (i know this also mostly applies to mandarin as well, but even when their words end with a vowel, e.g xiao, it still gets pronounced as a kind of consonant, sh-owh)

141 Name: Yuki : 2016-05-24 21:03 ID:6n6G2NuN

being a cantonese speaker, i've never actually thought that canto was a harsh language until i saw some people talking about it online and i was like 'oh wait, cantonese really is a harsh language,' to westerners, i guess.

mandarin is a more poetic language imo- but it can be both nice-sounding or ugly-sounding depending on the speaker. one of the things that bug me though, is the way it's, alot of the time, spoken in a high voice; it can get kind of piercing after a while.

my mom speaks hakka and malay. hakka honestly sounds a lot like cantonese and vietnamese; people who haven't heard the languages before could probably mistake hakka for viet, viet for canto, or anyway really.

korean is one of my favourite languages. i love the eo and the ui sounds they have, and the way many of their words end in -l or -k. sounds completed i guess.

i used to really like japanese, but as i heard it more and more, i guess it just got a bit boring--? there isn't anything really interesting, its all consonant sound, vowel, consonant sound, vowel, consonant sound. there's also the fact how all (as far as i know) of their words end in a vowel (i know this also mostly applies to mandarin as well, but even when their words end with a vowel, e.g xiao, it still gets pronounced as a kind of consonant, sh-owh)

142 Name: Nigger : 2017-03-14 03:51 ID:BkwHn8xn

i love the chinese niggers

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[OFFENSIVE] Teach us how to swear in your language! (136)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2006-03-28 16:37 ID:5eQh9n3j

Sadly, I only speak English :( but learning to swear in another language interests me, not only it means I can yell at you in your own language, but, if I do try and say something, avoiding the offensive words are easier if I know what they are!

Please post whatever language you speak, and anything you'd like to teach us!

127 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2009-01-22 07:46 ID:Ksk8g+qh

Français

Bouffe ma queue calisse de fag - Eat my cock you fucking faggot
Brûlez dans l'enfer - Burn in hell
Casse-toi - Fuck off
Fiche moi le paix - Get the fuck away from me
Fous le camps - Fuck off
Fous le camps et morte - Fuck off and die
Il est stupide - He is stupid
Mange d'la merde - Eat shit
Mange du merde (et meurt, pute!) - Eat shit (and die, whore!)
Merde - Shit
Morceau de merde - Piece of shit
Putain de merde! - Fucking shit!
T'as une tête a faire sauter les plaques d'egouts! - You've got a face that would blow off manhole covers!

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128 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2009-02-10 02:12 ID:k4LXjpRu

>>127
As a French from France, I have to add that a good part of these are actually Quebec French expressions and are not used at all in France.

This is just informal, some of them are awesome :P

129 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2009-02-10 03:33 ID:okBWKRQy

>>127

As a native Québécois, I have to say that some of these insults are quite creative! But sadly, it seems that the one who compiled them is not a francophone... Some gender agreements are horrid. But well, nice to him! He has a good imagination!

Just to add some more:
M'a t'en crisser une -> I'll beat the shit out of you
Ostie de chien sale -> Fucking asshole (literally "you filthy dog")

130 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2009-02-10 20:18 ID:bFfR6L44

German:
"Fick dich du arschgefickter Hurensohn!" - "Fuck you you assfucked son of a bitch!"

131 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2009-02-11 05:59 ID:3SUV4dDO

Sign language:

4 fingers up, then pointer and thumb in a circle - F
2 fingers up, together - U
Hand shaped like a C - C
2 fingers up, thumb between them - K

Hang loose - Y
Hand making an O - O
2 fingers up, together - U

Fuck you.

Fist, with thumb next to hand - A
Fist, with thumb over fingers - S

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132 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2012-05-08 11:29 ID:j5ub9EAr

Russian

  • быдло - bydlo ['bɨdlɐ] - roughly means 'cattle' (borrowed from the Polish word 'bydło', very popular on our chans)
  • петух - petukh [pʲe'tux] - an abused prisoner, though often designates every gay (enjoy homophobic Russia); similar with пидор (see below)
  • хуй, хер - khuj [xuj], kher [xʲer] - a dick (the former root is much more common)

  * хуёвый, херовый - khujovyj [xu'jovɨj], kherovyj [xʲɛ'rovɨj] - adj.: very bad, miserable, faulty
  * хуёво, херово - khujovo [xu'jovo], kherovo [xʲɛ'rovo] - adv.: very bad, miserably
  * хуйня, херня - khujnja [xuj'nʲa], khernja [xʲernʲa] - bullshit; something not worth attention
  * похуй - pokhuj ['poxuj] - interj.: means the speaker doesn't give a fuck
  * хуесос - khujesos ['xujəsos] - a dick sucker

  • ебать - yebat' [je'batʲ] - to fuck
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133 Name: M235-i : 2012-09-18 13:34 ID:UiDZ9T0C

Jende = Bitch
Kiri = Nasty Dick sucker
Kuni = Faggot
Nane Jende = Son of a bitch
Koslis = Someone who deserves licking pussy

Lighter ones:
Nekbat = Nasty
Pedarsag = means theie Father is a Dog
Ashghal = Jerk
Dayyus = Male bitch
Kosmaghz = Dumbass

And these were in persian!

134 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2012-10-20 13:30 ID:CnBR4XcL

>>124

Naser si cobolaku.
Zkurveny madari.
Romsti spoluobcane maji dneska v praci den volna.
Frikulinsti navstevnici z Bratislavy maji radi poradneho fialoveho dlouhana do cokodirky.

Czech insults are almost entirely focused to be xenophobic against the Slovak minority (and other eastern slavic, to lesser extent). It was almost the next Kosovo when we split'd in 1994.

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Annoying (4)

1 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2007-02-24 14:30 ID:Rqn6FxYq

People who get all super offended if you mispronounce something. I was speaking to someone else who doesn't speak the language, and so in the interests of making sure the person new what I was talking about, I mispronounced it so it sounded like it was written.

Anyway, the person next to me got pissed, like I'm an idiot in the language. I'm not great, but I know a thing or two, and I suspect there are areas I know things they don't. After all, we learned at different schools, w/ diff teachers. Anyway they get like that. I'm not anal about it, I want to learn to speak it, not be the languages defender against corruption. Besides, she butchers a name from my culture on a daily basis, and I don't get on her case over it... It's a simple Spanish name. It's not that hard to read.

And the problem is, they're the only person I know whom I can practice with. orz

2 Name: VFantice : 2007-02-25 10:49 ID:dNXIfyKR

Some people are just sensitive if you pronounce things wrong, however in truth if you pronounce something wrong and your not a native speaker of that language then they would usually understand and not get in your face about it. Actually, they would probably get the general point in what you were trying to pronounce and not care to bother with it...if they are sensitive to someone pronouncing it wrong then i guess thats there problem.

3 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2007-03-11 09:55 ID:Rqn6FxYq

You have a point. This person is also a non-native speaker, so they might be overcompensating.

I listen to people butcher the language of mi gente all the time. I don't get up in arms about it. I mean, I flinch, but I generally don't get angry or annoyed. In this case I started to get annoyed, but there are some contributing issues there. Oh well, It is what it is.

Thanks though.

4 Name: Anonymous Linguist : 2017-03-12 14:08 ID:Dr4H/ugN

dicks out for Harambe

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