Language @4-ch

>>1

halo wie gehts es ihnen?

Ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch.

haha what do you love about Germany?

For additional learning, try podcasts, they can be pretty useful, as they let you learn in little 15-20 minutes bites while you're on the train or bus.

don't shout at me you OK?
i am start learning Englisch OK?
don't be rude und impolite for mine OK?
fuck of you OK?

i am proud GERMAN OK?

You can not learn language by books alone.
One of the best ways that has worked for me to better my english was watching the US tv.
So, I say you get a good deutsch vocabulary book, and see if you can buy or watch online german tv and music. Then try and use words and phrases in everyday life. It's the way you learn as a baby.

German is very hard to lean language. I am german and learning japanese...

my japanese friend, who´s learning german was a year in germany and learnd that fast...i can´t beleive it.

Wie auch immer... das mit den Potcasts ist eine gute Sache. Sprache lernt man sehr gut über das Zuhören. oder auch deutsche Filme, die man dann mit englischen Untertitel schaut.

Hi, I'm german... I could teach you some basics if you're still interested.

>>8

It depends on where you're from. I'm a native (Scottish) English speaker, and I've always found German quite easy. The pronounciation is easy for me, and the grammar simply takes time to understand, like any language. Compared to Latin, German grammar is a doddle!

being from the US and having a fair understanding of spanish helped me learn the little german that i do know. i couldn't agree more that listening to audio and watching movies (subtitles or not) helps greatly in learning basically any language. especially japanese since it has such a different structure than western langages.

op should go to krautchan.net
there he will learn the german internet leetspeak (Halt die Fresse)

>>12
alter, krautchan stinkt :(

You guys are incredible.

Proficient: English and Singlish (heh)
Okay: Chinese (Mandarin)
Beginner: Chinese (Hokkien)
Drama-watcher/fan standard: Japanese and Korean (thrilled to occasionally understand a few words. Can rote-memorise song lyrics and phrases without understanding of grammar etc.)
Pidgin standard: Few words here and there of Bahasa Melayu

Yeah. I suck. I only added the last two in to make my list seem longer. Did you guys have to work hard at learning the new languages or are you'all naturals? Just memorising a few words is very difficult for me; am struggling with picking up new languages.

>>99
What's your mother tongue?

English: Mother language
German: Second langauge, 90% fluent
Spanish: 2 years in school, I can say basic phrases
Japanese: I can recognise some kanji and speak a few words

Aiming for speaking at least 10+ languages which include:

Romanian, (better) Japanese, Manarin Chinese, Italian, Norweign, Icelandic, Greek, Sign Language, French, Russian and a few others.

Mandarin Chinese: First language

English: Second language, fluent

Spanish: Learning it in school, I can read more than I can write, and I can understand more than I can say.

To-Learn List
French and Japanese

extra questions:
why did you learn them?
and where?
for how long?

Finnish: Mother language
English: Second language

I also know little bit of Swedish and German.
School system made sure that I get a hint of these three foreign languages, though I would've learned English anyway.
Had 3 years of Swedish, ~1 year of German and the best result I had in a Swedish pizzeria was:
Haben sie milch?

English:Mother Tounge
Italian:Learning

I just graduated middle school heh... But do all you guys want to learn languages for career? I just want to to communicate with natives and for fun... Oh yeah, and I want to learn Icelandic and Romanian, and maybe Finnish, but definitly Russian!

Lithuanian - Native.
French - 1st foreign language in school, fluent, 10 years of learning.
German - 2nd foreign language in school, fluent or at least very close to it, 8 years of learning.
Swedish - 3rd foreign language in school, somewhere in between intermediate to advanced level.
Russian - Fluent, I come from the Soviet Union, M'kay?
English - Self-studied, fluent.
Japanese - Self-study, pre-Intermediate level.
Chinese - Self-study, intermediate level.
Latin - Self-study, pre-intermediate level.
Greek - Self-study, Basic level.

Yeah, I have a lot of free time.

Just English, sadly.

Let's see...

English - Mother tongue
Japanese - Second language: advanced (I'm not confident enough to say fluent, heh >_<)
Mandarin - Beginner/intermediate
Samoan - Beginner
Maori - can understand basic sentences & words
Cantonese - I know a few words and basic sentences
Korean - very basic sentences & a few words
French - again, basic sentences & words
Italian - same as French
Spanish - same as above

May seem like quite a few languages, but I'm pretty much a beginner or even lower than that in most of them :S

English - Native
French - Native
Spanish - fluent through schooling
Japanese - self-study, JLPT 4 level

I think I'm done for languages.

Well, if you already know English, I would have to say Russian is fairly difficult. Japanese is rather simple once you learn pronunciation.

>>135

Cyrillic is pretty easy to pick up.

>>135
I'm not sure that's entirely true across the Eastern, Western, and Southern Slavic lines--if you know one East Slavic language (say, Russian), you can probably fake your way through the others (Ukrainian or Belarusian) with a high degree of accuracy, but you'll have a much harder time doing that in Czech or Serbian. I guess basic comprehension's not necessarily difficult, but there are some pretty significant pronunciation and grammatical variances among the branches.

>>137
Very true; you can read Cyrillic before the end of your first Russian class unless you have a very poor visual memory.

I'm just a simple minded fool, but pronouncing the letters can be tricky too.

From the Finnish point of view, English is a strange language.
For a finn, the Finnish alphabet sounds "right" and the English one is twisted.

Here's how finns pronounce English alphabets
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A - Ei
B - Bii
C - Sii
D - Dii
E - Ii
F - Ef

"Good day to you, my students! It's a fine day - is it not?"
translated so that a finn can pronounce it [almost correctly] even if they don't know english would be
"Guuddei tsujuu, mai stjudents! Its ö fain dei - isit nat?"

So when I'm thinking of what I'm writing, I have to be sure not to write how it sounds in my head.
Because this is how it sounds:
Sou vhen aim thinkin of vhat aim v(r)aitin, ai hav tsu bii shuo(r) nat tsu v(r)ait hau it saunds in mai hed.

And to make things more complicated
===================================

I = Minä
You = Sinä
He/She = Hän *
We = Me

You want to get into that? How about this:

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo.

It uses three definitions of the word: Buffalo, the city in New York; buffalo, the four-legged animal; and buffalo, the verb meaning to bully.

Oh, and then there are the words that can be their own antonyms, with only the context to decide which meaning is used. Take 'cleave' for instance. It can mean either to bond closely with something or to cut something in two. Bugger of a word.

>>141
Who the hell uses that as a verb?

Dunno, I'm Lithuanian by birth. I picked up English very easy, far easier then Russian and as a matter of fact, I still heavily suck at Lithuanian and I'm bloody 17.

Japanese was even easier for me to learn to speak then Russian, and I live in an ex-soviet union state. Lithuanian letters are pronounced roughly the same as the Japanese counter parts, for a Japanese to clearly understand me reading Japanese, all I needed was a sheet of Kana to Romanji translations and a basic vocabulary of Kanji.

duh arabic is the hardest

Try Banyumasan language if u dare...........

What!!! Chinese sounds like two dogs fighting, it sounds horrible.

Mandarin sounds nice, especially Taiwanese Mandarin. Japanese sounds way cool! Cantonese sounds ok when it's spoken calmly and softly ~

Korean and Japanese are the best out of the international music section.Chineese sounds horrible

Japanese sounds really cool. Korean sounds a bit odd. Cantonese... no.

Japanese is most definitely the most bad ass sounding language there is. Nothing beats precisely undulating pitches.

Japanese is probably the best sounding one, Mandarin comes second and I just plain dislike Korean.

i speak mandarin, and since ive grown up with ALOT of koreans, i find that the korean language soulds really nice... but i especially think japanese is the best... but after learning the language, its not as great anymore and i find japanese really choppy and retarded... i like korean the best... i often try to speak beijing mandarin, since im half shanghai/taiwanese, to make it sound more like korean... i dont know, someone tell me if beijing madarin sounds more like korean... btw i think cantonese and veitmanese sound the exact same, except canton sounds worse... but they bnoth sound horrible and annoying...

I think japanese sounsd retarded. I respect the language and wouldn't mind learning it. But in the middle of a sentance they have to throw in an english word and add "-o" or "-u" to the end.

>Korean

Wat

I hate nigger lol

>>98
Literal translations are for noobs and dodgy dictionaries.

Try calling an old lady in HK "bak-por", and you'll be "bak-por"-slapped back to where ever you came from.

In Dutch diseases are popular because of their rough pronunciation:

used at persons:
tyfuslijer/tyfushoer = Typhus patient(literally sufferer) / whore
teringlijer/teringhond = Tuberculosis patient / dog
kankerlijer/(and 'hond' etc)= cancer patient(worst because tyfus and tering aren't common anymore)
klootzak = slang for testicle
lul = slang for penis
kuthond = lit 'cunt dog'
mogool = lit. mongolian or a person with down syndrome.
mof = slang for german

kanker,tyfus,tering = used as shit, fuck ,etc.
kut = cunt(used as 'shit')
pest- = prefix meaning shitty,(lit. plague)

I don't know if this applies to every spanish-speaking country, but in chile we have quite a few words for the dick:

* "El Soldadito"
* Arrollado de Venas
* Calloma o Colloma
* Darth Vader Comunista (por el casco y rojo)
* El centro del universo`
* El Cíclope (o Polifemo)
* El cíclope
* El Cogote de Pavo
* El Cremoso
* El cuatro letras
* El Deo sin uña
* El Emocionao

I thought swearing was always the first thing you learn when learning a language. Along with "one beer, please" and "where's the bathroon?"

>>106
You'll probably find that many words for the dick in any language where it's considered impolite to talk about dicks directly.

In English, we have more words for dicks than the Eskimos have for snow.

Well, my personal favorite has always been:
Helevetin perkeleen sianvitun siittämät neekerin pillun polokijat.

It's quite impossible to translate to get the same level of.. feeling, but:
Hell's devil's niggers pussy's fuckers born out of the fuck of a pig, would be something to go by.

Fun Fact #1
Perkele is the old Finnish evil spirit, not to be confused with Saatana which comes from Christianity. Perkele and Saatana are not the same, as our old folklore proves.

Kalės vaikas - Son of a bitch.
Karve - Cow
Božgalvi - Tadpole
Šūdas - Shit
Besmegenis - Literary: No brains.
Pusprotis - Idiot.
Užpakalis - Ass

DELAY NO MORE

kisama

German

Schweinehund - Pigdog
Arsch- Ass
Wichser (Wixxer)- Jack-off/wanker
Hurensohn- Sonofabitch
Trottel- Idiot
Depp- Idiot
Dussel- Idiot
Döspaddel- Idiot... again
Scheiße- Shit
Fick dich- Fuck you
Verpiss dich- Piss off
halt die fresse - shut the fuck up
penner- bum

>>1
The reason is because it's considered profanity (eg: fuck you, a very offensive way of saying you suck), and it is also a word meaning "to have sex" (eg: I want to fuck.)

>>14
That's actually quite a clever response. XD It still makes the censorship of >>13's country ridiculous, but at least there's some fragment of logic in your argument.

Maybe they think kids won't be able to pronounce it if they can't tell the way people are using their mouths?

Anyway, some US censors don't even do it right. When people say asshole, we get "ass----" instead of "---hole". When you censor the ass part, we at least won't be able to tell which curse EXACTLY that they're saying (my reasoning being that I've heard "dickhole", "fuckhole", "shithole", and "dillhole" at some points in my life).

In many of the Japanese rock groups, the word "fuck" is used all the time. I often see people shouting it from the stage. Do many Japanese people know the word? Is it considered trendy to use there? In America, it is something of a "shock word". Many people think it is vulgar, so sometimes people use it to show how strongly they mean something. I guess it's a little like "zaken'na yo" (sp?)

Also,
>>17 "dillhole"???

Search "The History of the F Word" on YouTube.

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>>18

actually they also like saying "nigga" alot, since for them, it's the only word they understand to name african americans.

for them, fuck is just another funny sounding english word. no wonder they use it alot.

Ahem..

http://www.chinaexpat.com/files/u3/Shanghai_Gynecology_Hospital.jpg

>>11
I propose that the word "fuck-user" be coined.

Also, sage.

Maby people who are.. timid(?) feel the need to cover their expressions with F**K or such idiotics. Kids, perhaps?

ficken

It is a bad word. And many websites will block you for saying it.