Hikikomoris/Hikikomori wannabes: How do you make money for a living? (219)

1 Name: Anonymous : 2006-10-22 03:49 ID:Heaven

I was going to ask this question to the last poster in the Baby Human topic, but decided I should probably make atopic out of it.

Well, how do you survive? Live with your parents, work off the internet, live with other relatives, supported by girlfriend/friends, still go to school, still go to work, inheritage, participate in money farming?

Post your source of income here, along with your age, if you feel like it.

As for me: Age 21. I live with my parents, but most of my income comes from my community college (still trying to get through it). The rest comes from different things I've done online, like checks from those free Ipod sites and ads on sites I've ran.

2 Name: Anonymous : 2006-10-22 06:23 ID:qNbu33C4

What's money farming?

How do you get money from community college?

What is those free Ipod sites?

How much do they pay you for those free Ipod sites and ads for they put on your sites?

21?

You're still very young, are you planning to be like that for how long?

When I was around 17 - 23, I did nothing but go on the net, image boards and so on. I stayed in my room almost all the time. I'm 26, I still do now, staying in my room and going on the net for most of my time, being on the net becomes my life really.

Most of my life, is staying home. It just got worser after I moved, after 14 years old.

What are you doing in the community college?

I wish I could survive by making money on the net, I don't have skills nor talent to sell. I got some vague idea on making money on Ebay a while ago but as time goes on I drifted to other things. My mind flutters and attention focuses on different things for a period to fix my pleasure and depression. At one time, my mind sets me to want to this, then later on, it leaves off the previous desirable thing and goes on another thing. I have too many things I want to do but always never gets done nor take time to complete and carry it out.

I live with my parents and work in a factory. I don't know how long this will keep up, I always get fed up and feel I'm wasting my life while working. It's very depressing. And I turn my bitterness and blame towards my parents, no, I don't take it out on them, only in my mind when I'm working. I daydream and wonder about my life, thinking when would this end. I want to leave and run away. At some times, I comtemplated killing myself. Thinking if my life is worth living.

I was mild hikki when I was young, now I'm still consider one, just I work in a factory which I hate, no actually, any jobs i've been in I don't like but i need it for damn money. My parent aren't better off, sometimes I think if my parents are better off than they are now, I wouldn't be doing the work I'm doing now. Yeah I'm blaming for them i know, but I can't help it. You gotta know how shit it is when nobody wanna talk to you, and having social anxiety and social avoidance is a big problem in my life. When I muster the courage to talk to them, they won'tb talk to you or you getting the feeling they don't want to talk to you, like they avoiding social contact with you.

I have nowhere to go besides my room. I only go outside when I work or food and other nessicities.

I have things i want to do but at this rate, I won't be able to do until some years have passed.

Op, what do you want to do in your life?

I know this not my thread, but what do other hikkis/half hikkis/hikkis wannabe/would be, want to do in life?

Things you want to do for the rest of your life, things you want to achieve?

I want to establish a team, I'm not talented nor skilled though. In the future I want to start a business and get our own company.. i can't do this alone... I need people whom I trust.

I have a vague idea what I want to do.... i have many things I want to do which leads to the same interest.

3 Name: Anonymous : 2006-10-22 06:24 ID:qNbu33C4

I want to make my own Anime, but i know nothing about animation. No actually I also want to make games based the anime I make, in addition to my own manga which is basis for all of this.. I want to be an artist, yet i want to graphics designer.. game programmer... and sculpter so I can sculp my own characters figures and dolls.. like how the Japanese done them. You see, the Japanese makes anime for their market and they seem to protect themselves from outside competition, and their anime and related stuff they make all have to have their endorse in them. It seems like its a closed market... unlike open source. Their anime they make only gives the opportunity to themselves... not us... the gaijins.... there is no internation industry participation in it.. other than low jobs or jobs being not recognised internationally... anime always gives recognition to themselves. We can't participate as how the japanese do.. they have the privilege and we don't, it like it is a japanese thing only japanese can make it. I want break that and create anime industry internationally. Who knows maybe one day would be amateurs like us will become professional so we can sell our products. I feel like I want to make the otaku culture possible in my place. no more hiding.. we'll come out and proud.... i want everyone to know that we exist.

Does anyone have this in mind they want to do in life?

Though I can't draw (i was actually interested in drawing when i was a kid, i was praised by being good drawer for my age even my parent said i m a good drawer, but my parents said artist don't make money and i was discourage to pursue further. And now what? I became a hikki, are they proud of me?), I haven't started yet. I m still making decisions before i get started in this. I can't do this by myself, it doesn't help that i don't know anyone nor have friends.. all i can do is dream... and get depressed about not doing anything.

I live in Australia.... I don't anyone who I can trust or have this interest to accomplish.I posted this in the hope someone is interested in this. I'm not joking, this is something I'm set to in my life, I can't now, but i'll start this in somewhere in the future, I'll start even when im in my late 30's and will continue to do until I die.I'm really Otaku Hikki from the past.. if anyone ever read some of my post, you will probably get some idea about me.....

Making my own mangas, anime, figures and dolls ( attribute this to Rozen Maiden ), games/ gal games, fighting games like Melty blood (that one kinda inspired to me rethink about my decision in learning programming again from scratch), Right now, i know nothing about making them.... it;s really hard if not possible.... making anime , animation is technically the hardest to me. Think about doing all that under one company, with team of out own!

what do people think?

are they interested?

4 Name: Anonymous : 2006-10-22 08:36 ID:3yM+8cw4

>>3 Won't work.

I'm just getting by at home, studying. No money though. D:

I can't wait till I manage to get another job. ._.

5 Name: Anonymous : 2006-10-22 17:08 ID:Qf1M8hZk

Anime is a lot of work.

"Hoshi no Koe" was made by a single person, his wife, and his Power Mac. It's 24 minutes long. It took seven months of work- not NEET quality 'work' either, full working days and probably overtime.

I doubt you'll be able to convince anyone to work under you without paying them a salary or at least pulling your own weight. Don't count on that.

The game angle is more likely. A lot of people have made great games entirely by themselves. However, it's still a lot of work and won't neccessarily bring in the cash you need. If you're truly dedicated to the hikki ideal, you'd be better off staying afloat with something guaranteed-payoff, instant-reward- such things are usually unsatisfying, yes, but that's the sacrifice you make.

6 Name: Anonymous : 2006-10-23 00:40 ID:IvZMkjZb

I wonder about this a lot. I'm training to be a teacher (I already have a bachelor's degree). But I don't think I'm cut out for it, or any kind of full-time job, or any kind of job where I have to deal with strangers and people who act like assholes just because they can. I've considered being a private tutor, because then I could at least fire my clients. But I don't know how viable that is, and I probably couldn't get health insurance. Stupid extrovert-loving, socialism-fearing society I live in ...

I've also considered writing erotica, since I have a friend who earns money doing that. I really need to just give it a try. I don't know. Sometimes I despair of being self-sufficient. I guess it would be OK if I wanted to be a housewife and my partner were really rich, but no dice on either account.

There are a couple of books people might be interested in (mostly for the US and possibly Canada): Careers for Bookworms & Other Literary Types and _Careers for Introverts & Other Solitary Types _.

7 Name: Anonymous : 2006-10-23 07:58 ID:phy4zuT8

☆beautiful japanese idols
http://l-o-j.net/en/forum-1-1.html

8 Name: Otaku half hikki : 2006-10-23 08:10 ID:qNbu33C4

>>5

This is not the hikki ideal that you think I'm implying. I believe in the anime ideal. Imaginations and creations you conjured up in your mind and make them come alive. If you have seen the works of galge mads and galge intros, or any mads or music vidoes involving bishoujo, I'm very interested in that. I'm interested creating the arts like those in galges, up to the level like 夜明け前より瑠璃色な art, along with canvas2, shuffle, clannad, kanon, air, 君が望む永遠,水夏, D.C..etc..... if you have see some of the mads or intros... these examples aren't the only ones, there countless bishoujo intros and mads that are so beautiful.

I'm serious about this, I've been considering and evaluating my life, it always comes back to anime, and bishoujo happens to be the one I really want to do. I've never seen a gaijin outside of Japan created arts like those in galges and animes. But if were to make a manga.... it wouldn't stand out like anime. If I make a manga, I need to a game base from it, or the other way.... but making animation gets more attention. If I just designed and created character art and sculpted, it won't sell because nobody knows about it. They'll sell if there is a story to it, withing the story the character personality would be portrayed.

Now if i created a manga and a visual game and then sculpt those from both the manga and the game into a figure or doll, that would sell if people read and played it and actually become some sort of fan to it. This works but without making animation to it, it seem like it isn't as big, that won't bring too much attention to it.

It is very hard if not impossible. But I've considered my life very hard, I had a hard look towards my life. I know I will regret if I don't do this. That's why planning to save money to buy a house for future investment early in life, so I don't do this when I get older, otherwise I end up like the rest who just give up their life and live the normal way. After the investment is done, I can't concentrate my interest and pursue it without worrying about financial difficulties, though I still will get a part time job while I pursue it. But i need to do it quick before I end like the rest who give up. I will then continue to skill up my talent in this interest, and later on I start my company, that won't happen until i'm a bit old, but I m planning to do this until I die... and I won't retire... whats the point of retiring?

I'm not finish fighting... thats lot shit i want to change the way society thinks, it's endless battle.. if I just retire , its like I give up already.

It's hard to trust people, there all sort of liars and cheaters, and generally shit people out there who you wouldn't trust..

The important is to find thosee people who have the same interest and passion as you...and help eachother in their same endevours and are really looking to start company in the future... But you see you cannot guaranteed they won't change and leave and move on.. its hard to predict..lots of uncertainty.... I know I won't change.. I will keep on pursuing this.... Without others.. I cannot accomplish this. Some people aren't serious and would just do it for fun or as a hobby... I'm different.. I 'm serious and I want to make a name for myself and the company... I want to compete or as least stay in the commercial world or world of profesionals.

I want others to appreciate my work and them loving it. It's fulfilling to do what you want and having others love the work you do.

9 Name: Otaku half hikki : 2006-10-23 08:11 ID:qNbu33C4

>>6

What do you love? What do you happy?

Do those that you love and find happy doing. Get a part time job while you do things you love.

This is a world of capititalism, at least for the most part it is and won't change for a long time.

Why would you want to be a housewife?

You can still fulfil your desire to pass done your genes without being tied down to being a housewife. This is coming from guy like me.

Self-sufficient, I know a thing about this.. Its because you are a woman...and generally society view and treat you like you have to rely on men.. but the thing is you don't have to think like that! Don't worry about that, it's slowly changing.. laws , education, etc are helping to shape the view of women. I know how you feel, it's because generally guys are physically stronger than women, if you were fighting, men would win,, but don't forget there is law and justice. Men take advantage of their physical strength, ownership, positions, traditions, and social views ,etc to make you think like that. Laws are there to help you, if are being abused or harrassed, tell your lawyer and solicitor. Don't think yourself as a woman, maybe because others gives you the impression that you need to be one, this pressures you to be one, otherwise pschological problems starts to fuel in you.

10 Name: Anonymous : 2006-10-24 04:13 ID:Heaven

>Careers for Bookworms & Other Literary Types and _Careers for Introverts & Other Solitary Types _.

Dammit, where were those books when I was in high school?

11 Name: Anonymous : 2006-10-24 20:11 ID:KsETI0HM

Be a mercenary/private contractor.....

if you make it you can make enough to be Hikikomori for a while.....

12 Name: Anonymous : 2006-10-25 20:15 ID:Nh+DX5mn

>>8
but can you draw?

13 Name: Rodrian : 2006-10-25 22:31 ID:8L2HF9b5

I agree... be a ninja for hire. That way nobody will want to be your friend anyway.

just

kidding!

Actually I work, But my job is in accounting so it involves the computer all the time and not alot of contact with people. SO I don't know if this really counts as I DO leave my house, but I spend about 10 -17 hours on the net. SOmetimes two three days at a time with no sleep! while working, chatting MSN whatever... inbetween that time I do my anime stuff. I am married, and we have a great life. being on the net, checking in on it while talking to him, having anime playing or reading while he's working... it's all good. My thinking is that you can be a hikokomori (meybe not a true sense of the word) and still survive in the normal land. Perhaps you should find a job like i didthat does not involve alot of people interaction.

on a side note i went to school for education at first too, and realized I would die if I actually taught! oh... I'm turning 32 in a few months ^.^

14 Name: Anonymous : 2006-10-26 07:28 ID:Heaven

>What's money farming?

I believe money farming is selling in-game items in MMORPGs for real money, but I'm not completely sure, though.

15 Name: Otaku half hikki : 2006-10-26 12:51 ID:qNbu33C4

>>12

At the moment I don't, but I can if I learn and practice the art. I used to have talent in drawing when I was kid.

If I start a course in Arts or multimedia, etc, at the end of the course I have to work for a company which I doubt would have the work I wanted to do or I work by myself and create a company on my own. If its the former, I rather not do it, since it just a waste of time doing the art I'm not interested in doing, thus I would end up leaving sooner or later. If it is the latter, I don't have enough experience to start my own company on my own, and I can't do everything by myself. I don't expect myself to join a company which I love to work for. I wish to create anime related works, but I doubt I could get into that area without starting out on my own. Like I said I can't start on my own, I need a team dedicated to this before I start the course. I need everything planned to make this decision. If I finished the course, at the end of the day, if I can't do the arts I want to do, then what is the point? I don't want to work for a company that does the art I don't want to do. If I can't establish a devoted team with the same interests and ambitions, it won't work, I can't do this on my own.

I may have ideas on to seek the people with the same interest and ambitions as me, I may find them in anime clubs, art courses, cons,etc. But I have my doubts. People are hard to trust, and it doesn't help I'm not good at making friends and general socialising.

The only people who be interested are devoted, ambitious, passion, venturous otakus, who are committed and are not afraid to start up their own business. And most people I find are either don't take it seriously, or they are too young.

In other words, I need dedicated and committed otaku who will volunteer to go through this together and journey in their life to last and be loyal to creating a company and succeed in our common areas of interest and objectives.

Without this, it would be uncertain.

If I get serious with this, I'll learn to draw pretty quick, although there are number of guidelines to learn to draw, and I'm aware of them, in drawing figures, such as proportions, perspective, skeletal frames, muscles, gesture drawing, shadows, depth and tones. If I need to draw I need to study these.

I'm interested in character design. I'll make that my speciallity if I get serious into this.

16 Name: Rodrian : 2006-10-26 13:24 ID:DM77IaFv

Are you sure you want to be with a dedicated Otaku who would go through the journey with you? I think life needs balance. AS I said before I am going on 32. No, that does not mean I have a mountain of experience. But lets just say my journey through life began when I dropped out of school at the age of 15 to live with a man who was 21. After that little oops I did not stop to look back, I went on to do worse things. No, no drugs or prositution, but sometimes giving up your body for nothing more than a mere embrace is worse >.<

Through these years which seem like a lifetime, though it has only been 17 years since then, I am on my second marriage with children and everything. My first 'husband' ugh was like me, alot like me in many ways and unlike me in other ways, was an Otaku. We were too similar, which left a big hole in our lives that no one was fulfilling. People need change and like to experience new things, even Otaku's. That's why we get waaaaaaaaay excited when we see a new awsome Anime that we just gotta buy, so we go to the store at like 9 a.m before they even shelf it to buy it. Sometimes getting there a few minutes early looking like a stalker! heeeyaaaah! So even we like new things and change.

Being with someone just like you will only backfire! My husband, though he likes anime, is not an Otaku nor a semi-hikki like I am, which is a good thing. He brings me back to this world every few days just to remind me I am alive and that I am not actually connected to the net like the major in Ghost in the Shell. heh. It's a good thing, otherwise when he's gone, I would have no clue about life, or what to do with myself. ANother thing is that I plan on opening an Anime Cafe (yeah it's forreal not just talk. I have investers) and he helps quite a bit with understanding the non-otaku side of it. Meaning, if I want to have staying power what other things do I need to make the non-otaku enjoy coming. (how does he know all this? He's about to be 40)

SO though you might want an Otaku wife, just remember that even in Taoism, Buddism or what have you (i am non religious so I can't really elaborate) there always needs to be a balance. So instead of looking for someone like you, look for someone not like you, you can teach each other quite a bit and have fun while doing it...

As far as your business... I think drawing Manga is a good Idea. I recently interviewed the creator of MBQ, and the writer for mail order ninja works at my local bookstare. They are both american. There is a market out there for you, but you have to work really hard to make it there.

17 Name: Otaku half hikki : 2006-10-27 05:56 ID:qNbu33C4

>>16

You've made a few unnecessary assumptions about me. I'm not too clear about your life that you speak of. You have two husbands?

I repeat again, I need a dedicated team of otakus to create some products and sell.

I didn't say I want an otaku wife. Why are you drifting to relationships?

There is a love and romance board dedicated to this. Please go there.

What is MBQ?

Maybe your motivation and objectives and outlook is different, I'm not like you. Even though you keep implying that you are an otaku, I'm not sure about this.

Why bring taoism and buddshism here?

I have more than enough balance of others being against me, why would I look for someone different than me?

On the contrary, I'm trying to balance out, there are just too much difference and competition living in the same space as I am in.

18 Name: Rodrian : 2006-10-27 21:14 ID:8L2HF9b5

Nope just one husband (though two would be great) and maybe I am not a dedicated Otaku as I do, do other stuff that is non Otaku related. Perhaps I mis read your presious post. It started off when I saw the word love and I suppose I went out on a linb assuming you were talking about that as well.

Yes I know there is a romance board, but when does anyone ever stick to the subject at hand in any thread at all?????

MBQ is a Manga put out by Tokyo Pop created by Felipe Smith.

Perhaps my outlook and motivation is a bit different, as I don't want to be broke doing what I love. Yes, hiring a team of Otaku's could be great. But have you ever thought about that fact that like yourself, these Otakau's probably have a dream of doing something as well that is in the Otaku world... and as much as you think they will be dedicated to YOU and your cause, that it will be actually difficult for them to work for you because as I just said, like you, they probably have a dream they want to realize... and they don't want to work for someone else helping them realize their OWN anime/gaming/manga (or what have you) dream.

I did not mean to incite the wrath of a "real" Otaku person.

I merely want to comment on some things that now, reading back, I was HUGLY mistaken in what you were actually talking about. SO erase about my husband and what have you (though in some ways it is important especially if you have someone you live with who will be undertaking this jouney of business with you)

ahem, I guess back to what YOU were saying. I think it would be better to hire people who are not really Otaku's, that way they will create under your direction without thinking "But it would look better this way".

WHy do you want to sell the product? Is it for your own self satifaction? Or is because you think it is something others will like and that it will add to the world of which you are trying to exist? Since you claim to be a half hikki, I would love to hear your answer. DO hikki's really hang out with a bunch of people and work with them for hours creating something to sell?

I know I don't. Actually most people I talk to on MSN or whereever i talk to them on the net don't hang out with a bunch of people even if they are only half-hikki. So i'm just curious how all this works?

You are probably thinking I just flamed you. ha! tis okay, you thought my last post... which was actually really soft and mabe very drifty was sorta flaming. SO take it as you will, but if you answer, answer my question.

And no, I'm not an Otaku. WHat is an Otaku anyway?

19 Name: Otaku half hikki : 2006-10-28 05:48 ID:qNbu33C4

If you keep love and get a kick from disagreeing with me, I'm fine with that. Anyone with a mind would tell that your questions are rhetoric in nature. You think your condescending attitude would get me to consider you seriously?

If you love to disagree with someone who is different than you, then you have learn to tolerate. No one will just going to be like you as you wanted.

You think you could cover up your mocking me by insiniously pretending to be genuine?

Some of what you say are contradictory. Your questions are rhetoric. If I answer you, either way, it would come out as you the better person and you the one who is right.

Your questions are made up which I didn't claim and write in my posts. You asking them out to your advantage for your argument sake.

You can't escape comprehension. I know it. You are here to mock the rest of us who are hikki, half-hikki, or anyone who has the term hikki attached to them.

I would like to tell you that you aren't any better than me or anyothers. You are merely a person like the rest of us who work for somebody else. Please don't get full of yourself.

Your first reply to me was criticising and condescending to me, you can criticise but don't make yourself and others think that your opinions and views are right and gives the impression that no one sane should disagree with you. You making it sound like you are right and up on throne. I wish to remind you that you are not.

As for your future Anime Cafe, I wish you luck, but if you are not careful with anime signs and posters, displays, etc, you may be violating copyright infringement, as the characters you display or used are not owned by you.

20 Name: Rodrian : 2006-10-29 02:19 ID:DM77IaFv

you are right about that as far as the logo. It is temporary as I am not so sure what a good logo would be. The background wall paper image is original artwork, but we still don't know what fits best. SO for now we have just left the images until we are ready to trademark and copywright. thanks for pointing it out, and thanks for visiting my site ^.^. And as for my rhetoric, I have to appreciate the fact that you were not as stupid as maybe i thought you might be.

And yes I sit on a throne, and I like it... I see no reason why I don't need a throne...

and you can claim I disagree if you like. You started the flame fest I only wanted to add a little fuel to the fire... it keeps me warm at night when I sleep on my throne. heh

And mock you? no my dear, there are better ways to mock people I assure you. Besides, I could go to 4chan for that if I wanted to simply post inciting things.

But I suppose by this point we are off topic. I step down from my throne and won't post on YOUR thread anymore. The throne is yours now my friend. keep it and goodluck with your art... it's a hard world, if you can't take criticism you will not go very far, and if you can't take a little meandering, then you don't have the patience to do the things you want to do. Have fun finishing school...

But I will suggest for you to e-mail a few creators in the anime/manga world. They are very inviting and excited about other people who are interested in doing the same thing they they do. Yet, as I already know, you will disread what I have just said. Now that is the thing that will not surprise me. But I suppose that is how it is when you sit as high as I do. SInce you are the one who mentioned thrones I guess I should thank you. "Thanks for the throne" polishes it it looks awsome! ^.^

21 Name: Otaku half hikki : 2006-10-29 08:32 ID:qNbu33C4

>>20

No, I actually didn't visit your site. I didn't realise you put up a link to your name. Now I realised after you mentioned it. I was pointing it out to >>16 where you refer to the cafe.

I can take criticism but not when someone jumps in and incite, as you yourself as said, without second thoughts and consideration to my previous posts. The only redeeming qualities you have is the first two sentence of the last paragraph from >>20.

You are not sitting on a throne, you are sitting on the pointy end of a very high placed broom stick. Does that make you cozy more than adding fuel to your fire? Does that sound funny to you? If it is funny to you, I'm only joking.

22 Name: Rodrian : 2006-10-29 13:33 ID:DM77IaFv

it was funny. Whether you be joking or not. you knew I would come back to look as I knew when I said i wasn't going to. and if you claim to not have visited the site for fear of satisfying me, its fine... the broom that I sit on is good enough.

i feel cozy now.

continue with your hikki thread. unless you like playing ping pong with a broom master....

23 Name: Hideo Sakaka : 2007-01-27 11:36 ID:HD9aRpcX

I just wanted to be #23.

24 Name: Anonymous : 2007-01-28 14:03 ID:Heaven

wait, wasn't this thread about how me make money for a living?

25 Name: Hideo Sakaka : 2007-01-29 00:48 ID:HD9aRpcX

Make Money? Impossible! IRS hiding on Ebay now, they resonate invisibly from PayPal. They have the jellyjar on the other side of your wall always there, always waiting for you to make the slightest sound. They're coming, they're climbling up my legs....agghhh!

I used to like being USA Citizen. Now I think USA suck. In fact I think USA suck FAT COCK in Front of God!!! USA run by big business puppets, all big companies run by crooks, look at mortgage industry! If you complain or sue, nothing happen! Big corporations just delay and delay until U day in court go away!

IRS have right to seize every bit of your property from now until even after U die. They also levy and lien everything. They have no higher authority.

You really never really own anything. There are so many legal ways for it to be taken from you.

I may kill myself. But then again I'm a coward so maybe not.

26 Name: Anonymous : 2007-01-29 05:48 ID:Heaven

>>25

What is IRS?

People with power and money control many things. Money makes the world go around. I know nothing about economics, finance, etc. But it seems we all get suckered into positions we have no control of. The big corporations and company play around with the laws to their advantage. Higher ups can mend the laws, they can bullshit their way to get voters to vote for them. I mean who fuckin controls and manages all this laws upon laws of bullshit just to make lower commoners to pay more unnecessary fees and taxes, levies, other bullshit expenses. Its getting more expensive to live, with all the new bullshit fees one need to pay by law just to feed the higher ups. Banks are exploiting the younger generation and crooking with the mortgage industry and landowners. The government owns the lands no other own and release lands. I' m not too sure, may be wrong. Who controls the government? Its people with lots of power and money, big companies and businesses.

Even if you own a property, and you didn't write up a will or have no family to confer your will to, then its goes to the government when you die. Even if you have children who inherited your properties or whatever assets you have, you won't know whether they waste it all or do whatever they want with it. Who knows, if any of you didn't have medical insurance and either of you begin to suffer from life threatening disease, or organ failures, and you don't have money, then you need sell your properties. Another case, if you happen to give birth to a child with serious disabilities or disease, you need lots of money for medical support.

27 Name: Hideo Sakaka : 2007-01-29 13:39 ID:HD9aRpcX

IRS is the Internal Revenue Service, a branch of the Treasury Dept. but is actually a privately-owned company that is contracted by the U.S. Government, they collect Federal Income tax from suckers! Sometimes they make mistakes and bill people for a zillion dollars thus ruining their lives (ahem).

I'm an "AMERICAN HIKIKOMORI". I rarely go out. My room is a mess and I'm a cynical hermit with mental problems. I must owe about $300,000.00 that I can't pay. Part of it I don't owe but corporations and Jew Lawyers think I do.

I do have health insurance and I'm not blind or paralyzed, so I have realized some wisdom in some of what you said. I could have been a guy with no medical insurance that needed a brain transplant or something and THEN I'd be right back in the hole again! Probably for much more than 300K as well.

If you are seriously looking for ways to make money online there are several good ways that kind of feed each other. Buy a few domains, add content, possibly a donations link to paypal and add some GOOD affiliates. There are some affiliate programs that actually pay well and are honest. You can track them with Affiliate tracker programs to make sure they aren't cheating U.

Also, you can buy, sell and trade e-books and sell them on your sites and ebay, amazon, etc. Also if you know a lot about certain things (I damn sure do, all those "How To" Underground books) you can write your own e-books, manuals, etc. in PDF and resell them on interlinked sites for a nominal fee. There are 1000's of books (now converted to e-books) that are public domain or the copyrights have expired, etc.

There are many other ways to make money with your web site. The main thing is you have to attract lotsa HITS and attention. Again, I know many PR ways to do this. If you get enough hits advertisers will start coming to you to pay for an ad space.

Thus endeth Today's Lesson My Brothers & Sisters....

28 Name: Anonymous : 2007-01-30 04:20 ID:Heaven

>>27

How did you owe that much money, 300K?

How much can be make with those online themes?

Thanks for the info.

29 Name: Hideo Sakaka : 2007-02-03 00:58 ID:HD9aRpcX

Hi, I can't really talk any more about my financial problems. I get too paranoid that somehow someway someone is watching me and is going to do me in.

Selling on ebay or ebook, you can make a lot of money or not-so much money it depends on how hard you work at it, how smart you are and how well you are at getting mass promotion for free or a nominal price. You can do well driving around to garage sales and buying stuff then selling it on ebay. You have to kind of know what kinds of things sell well. Look at other ebay sellers and what they do.

You can also sell REAL books on www.Half.com and ebay. Usually you have to see a lot of books to make a profit but you can buy used books really cheap about everywhere.

You can get a tarot deck, learn the craft and put up auctions for Tarot readings on ebay along with your picture (or someone's) he, he. I noticed these tarot card readers recently
after typing in "Tarot" under ebay. I read Tarot cards too. Not for money so far though.

Tell me more about yourself next time.

~ H

30 Name: Hideo Sakaka : 2007-02-03 06:53 ID:HD9aRpcX

I left post #29 but it didn't post. I cannot go into my financial matters online as it is BAD HAIKU, also it makes me paranoid as hell. Tell me more about yourself. I've been leaving the long posts. Basted Be! Merry Meat! So Mote it Be! ~ Hideo

31 Name: Hideo Sakaka : 2007-02-03 06:54 ID:HD9aRpcX

Well bless my SOLE both posts mave now posted.

32 Name: Hideo Sakaka : 2007-02-12 00:48 ID:HD9aRpcX

Where have the posters gone? This is HIDEOUS !!!
I MUST COMMIT HARI KARI ! I Cham Fong as Chin Ho !

33 Name: lonely : 2007-03-07 03:56 ID:ILlIE3l7

i get government aid. :D

i am 21 years old. have been 100% hikki for 4 years, after that i got outside a bit and had a few crappy jobs... now i am home again, hoping to find a job.

it's very hard to find a job... most places refuse, the unemployment rate in our country is very high... it's only possible to be hired if you have friends or relatives, or if you have a profession (+ experience) that is wanted on the market.

34 Name: Anonymous : 2007-03-08 18:49 ID:yfwa1DTP

21, web design, no aid currently, just dropped out of education for the third time

35 Name: Anonymous : 2007-03-08 18:55 ID:5ikX3ZkO

>>33
if it is not a secret tell me where are you from?

36 Name: Anonymous : 2007-03-21 18:14 ID:HUbfFvP1

16, British, not making money yet. Still in college, the best I can achieve is two A levels (not that I'm doing very well at that) and don't know (or think about) what I want to do when I leave.

37 Name: 36 : 2007-03-21 18:15 ID:HUbfFvP1

Apparently, if you're British and diagnosed with certain personality disorders (for example, schizoid) then you can get disability allowance of some kind. Not that I've looked into it.

38 Name: Hideo Sakaka : 2007-04-04 07:39 ID:HoL+3BFu

I live in Metro-Detroit, USA if anyone cares. I live in the suburbs in a "Gated Community" next to Eminem who I have no taste for. My wife has good job in a Union. I'm a crazy hermit "househusband" plus I keep all the household's PCs in top shape and build and modify them. I've gotten to the point that I hate to even go outside and check the mail, much less going to see my psychiatrist. When I have to go out I can't wait to get back in my room and get back on the PC.
I met my wife online by the way. You guys could do that too, find a wife online, preferably a rich one or one with a high paying job, lol.

39 Name: Hideo Sakaka : 2007-04-04 07:49 ID:HoL+3BFu

There must be 5 parallel universes for this same thread I dunno how it's threaded but I can get to different versions of this same named "Hikikomoris/Hikikomori wannabes: How do you make money for a living?" it's kinda like being in the twilight zone.
I have a firm bookmark on my universe now so I come back to the right one. Weird shit!

40 Name: Anonymous : 2007-04-04 11:13 ID:dvsdxgay

>>35
sounds kinda like finland, but i'm not sure if it's possible to just stay inside all time coz you gotta see government officials personally sometimes. there could be a way around it though. i'm not 100% sure.

41 Name: Shargo : 2007-04-09 22:33 ID:O8xDjsf9

Hi,
I make a good income from home using ebay. it's really fun. When I'm not ebaying I'm making videos. Check em at www.youtube.com/jdrw5 They describe what my strange existance has been like over the last few months. Very eye opening. Pure 20/20.

42 Name: Anonymous : 2007-04-10 02:34 ID:Heaven

>>41
even if some one points a gun at my head i wont visit that link.

43 Name: Loser : 2007-08-13 17:32 ID:xdVpiOes

Really now, how can you make some money even if you are at home?
(even if this means exploiting others, i mean it is all a big conspiracy, the society is the one to blame!)

Well i have no programming skills or something lie that at all:(

I mean there are so many Hikkis, and especially in Japan.

If you have no support by anyone, how can you still live?
( You must eat, pay the electricity bill etc. etc.)

I have the luxury that i can still live with my parents.
But for how long? I feel disgusted with myself, i am really pathethic.

SOrry for that

44 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-13 19:23 ID:uUERDOFc

Fuck the wanabes, why the fuck would you want to be like this?

45 Name: Loser : 2007-08-13 19:29 ID:xdVpiOes

Why i want to be a Hikki you mean?

I am already one! Can't help.

46 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-13 23:41 ID:Heaven

Very sage. Get a job, assholes.
«Hikikomori wannabees», what the fuck? It is worse then «wannabe loser».

47 Name: Loser : 2007-08-14 10:33 ID:c3Khernb

I am both......

48 Name: Loser : 2007-08-14 10:33 ID:c3Khernb

I am both......

49 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-14 14:27 ID:AX9f/eR6

So I'm in my last week of stationary therapy and am going home soon. It was very helpful for me and even though I know that there will be some tough times ahead, I think I can make it and stay clean for the next few years. It's not my plan to have a relapse some time but one never knows. For now it's my plan to accomblish a lot in my new job (had to quit my studies before therapy because of alcohol) in the next few years and lead a much more active life and not just watch anime and browse boards. I've rediscovered some old hobbies of mine and that alone will help me a lot in fighting my addiction.

So I guess this is a thread to share experiences with alcoholism or any other addiction and to ask questions for people who think they might have a similar problem, know someone with an addiction or are simply interested in the subject.

50 Name: Loser : 2007-08-14 16:17 ID:c3Khernb

This is about Hikkies.

If you are an Alcohol-addicted-peson just open your own thread ;)

51 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-14 16:54 ID:uA76N5ZG

im depressed at the moment. not 'oh gods, kill me now!!!!' kinda depressed, but regularly bursting into tears.
I've spent many years depressed... i don't know how to fix it, but i have various strategies that help a bit.
Getting help from a counselor/pyschologist or something heps a lot of people. I've seen plenty, and they've never been of any help to me though.
To temporarily feel better, i keep a piece of rose quartz on my desk and hold onto it for a while sometimes if im feeling bad. It always makes me feel a bit better...it puts my heart at ease a bit. Of course, many people would find the idea of doing that ridiculous.
Like animals? If you've got a pet, even if its just a fish or something, spending time with it [ok, watching it if its a fishy lol] usualy makes a person feel a little less miserable.
It's important to be honest with yourself about your feelings or else they'll cause subconcious issues and mess you up badly in the end. If you wanna cry, you should cry.

52 Name: Loser : 2007-08-14 18:55 ID:c3Khernb

"Getting help from a counselor/pyschologist "

Lol, all they can do is pump you full with various kind of medicaments, too let you feel better.
For me there is no difference between being drugged then!
Those are all stupid hypocrits of the society, believing they are doing good things, but in the end it changes nothing.
Most of them just think of their own career........-.-

PLEASE GOD, LET A MIRCALE HAPPEN TO ME ONCE AND SEND ME AN ANGEL TO HELP ME!!!

That is the only hope i have, quite pathethic you think? Yeah it is but, this is the only thing i can do.......

The more i think of my life the more i realize that i am a "dame no ningen" (= Failure of human!) like SATOU from NKH.........

53 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-14 23:32 ID:6qE8erF/

get a job nigger get a fucking job

54 Name: Loser : 2007-08-15 09:09 ID:v4K0GKag

>>53 hahaha funny joke -.-

55 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-15 14:40 ID:Heaven

>>53
I have difficulty imagining a black person being hikki. Pop culture has taught me blacks are more likely to go out rappin', pimpin' and shooting someone rather than hiding in his room.

56 Name: Loser : 2007-08-17 12:00 ID:/RmbJ+T4

Well i am not of a Black ethnic ;)

I can reveal this much.

57 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-17 12:19 ID:1q6JayU8

>>55
I'm a black shut in. Hi.

58 Name: Loser : 2007-08-17 12:33 ID:/RmbJ+T4

>>57 Hi.

I hope you are not joking or trolling around, cause this is a serious matter (yet so sad and pathethic that it is somewhat funny in a different way)!

59 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-17 15:12 ID:Limy3Gg5

Wow... >>3 sounds like he could become Otaking of Australia!! Have no other hikki's here watched Otaku no Video? Maybe because of the way the internet has formed, circles like the ones they talk about in this show could be formed and operated online? I think something as big as Gainax could be established by a circle of dedicated hikki's. I know lots of NEETs don't have the dedication for it, but the ones who really are motivated could get things like garage videos or garage games sold. Glove on Fight sold pretty well for a doujin game. I think it can be done.

60 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-17 15:20 ID:ZA3Dyrhb

>>55 Pop culture is the new Encyclopedia, our source of all knowledge, just look at Wikipedia.

61 Name: nanashi774 : 2007-08-24 04:20 ID:9A3J18NY

I still live with my parents, but I'm going to try to get on Social Security disability.

62 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-24 17:21 ID:Heaven

>>59
If it ain't Japanese doing it, it can't be done.

63 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-25 01:14 ID:Heaven

Stop calling yourself 'Hikikomori'. It doesn't sound cool and it won't earn you any attention.

64 Name: Anonymous : 2007-08-26 12:39 ID:iaNT6AZI

>>I haven't watched otaku no video yet, but i like the idea of australian otakus/hikkis trying to work on something cool together. Someone try to arrage something, or something!

65 Name: 59 : 2007-08-26 15:37 ID:Heaven

66 Name: Anonymous : 2007-11-22 17:50 ID:o84y8nT+

>>36

WTF? I don't remember posting here yet, but that's the exact same position that I am in in life right now ;_;

67 Name: Anonymous : 2007-11-22 22:09 ID:+V2fax8k

I've been staying at home doing nothing since i was 14, now im 20. i dont have a job or go to college and im afraid of people.
Just can't trust anyone, been cheated my whole life. I'm technically an adult now but because I missed the social development im still really immature i also still look 16.

68 Name: Anonymous : 2007-11-23 01:35 ID:AyClplH7

>>3
Pretty much the same as me except a bit more excessive and hopeful.

69 Name: Anonymous : 2007-11-23 09:22 ID:HzyeQFPo

>>67 Just can't trust anyone, been cheated my whole life

Sorry, but basically you mean that you don't trust yourself.

Don't victimize yourself. The fact that you could live 6 years without doing nothing already shows that someone is taking care of you,... Probably not adressing all your problems (that's your job), but at least satisfying your basic needs.

Apart from complaining about other people, what do YOU intend to do, in life? If you could do anything you wanted, what would you do?

70 Name: Anonymous : 2007-11-23 09:35 ID:wPfW3rW+

I don't trust other people, but I don't find that a good enough excuse to shut myself away from the world.

71 Name: Anonymous : 2007-11-28 21:52 ID:gIxZEMIT

im >>67

You're right, yes I'm completely pathetic. but I don't know how to stop it.
If I'm locked inside then nobody can hurt me and I cant hurt anyone.
I'm too paranoid,self conscious,anxious etc when im outside. I don't have PTSD but I do have most of the symptoms.
Because I experienced some traumatic events which I can't get over and I can't stop thinking about it.
And I feel completely disgusted and ashamed of myself.

I do want to go to university but theres no subject choices and I'm too introverted to make friends.
Even geeks and rejects don't like me, thats how rejected I am. lol.
Tonight I might try and go outside.

well my parents think I'm mentally unstable and insane but I'm not sure.
I actually think they're the ones who are insane. they have done bad things.

72 Name: Anonymous : 2007-11-28 22:19 ID:w8QT0dVv

>>71

Wow! A real hiki!

73 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-01 02:50 ID:1RZhDJe3

hey I is not a real hiki. I'm just a bit anti social.
Anyway i have a college interview soon but i kinda
hope i dont get in so i can stay at home more.

74 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-01 08:45 ID:BPl5rOhO

I don't understand why anybody would want to BE a hikikomori/fake hikikomori.

I'm 21. I have disorganized schizophrenia. I am a "hikikomori" (personally I reject this term) and have been since about 1999, but extremely social phobic my entire life. It's been the worst few years of my life. I would give anything to escape this and act normal; have friends, go out, fuck bitches - even just speak to people. I've wasted 8 years inside my home confined to myself. On one hand it's a sanctuary I never wish to leave except to go out late at night and buy food. On the other, it's my own personal hell I willingly put up with to escape the bullshit of reality.

As for money, since I have schizophrenia I'm able to leech off the government and use disability. It's hardly enough and I barely scrape by every month. I wear rags and eat shit. I have medication to buy which makes it even worse.

Being a "hikikomori" is not fun, I don't get why anybody would desire to be one or claim to be one.

75 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-01 09:24 ID:w8QT0dVv

>>74

Schizophrenia's a bullshit blanket term used by psychs when they have no fucking clue what's wrong with you.

76 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-01 10:36 ID:BPl5rOhO

>>75

You have no idea what you're talking about, obviously.

77 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-01 16:30 ID:raytMLzK

>>75

Clearly, you are an ignoramus.

78 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-01 22:00 ID:w8QT0dVv

An approach broadly known as the anti-psychiatry movement, most active in the 1960s, opposes the orthodox medical view of schizophrenia as an illness.[156] Psychiatrist Thomas Szasz argued that psychiatric patients are not ill rather individuals with unconventional thoughts and behavior that make society uncomfortable.[157] He argues that society unjustly seeks to control them by classifying their behavior as an illness and forcibly treating them as a method of social control. According to this view, "schizophrenia" does not actually exist but is merely a form of social construction, created by society's concept of what constitutes normality and abnormality. Szasz has never considered himself to be "anti-psychiatry" in the sense of being against psychiatric treatment, but simply believes that treatment should be conducted between consenting adults, rather than imposed upon anyone against his or her will. Similarly, psychiatrists R. D. Laing, Silvano Arieti, Theodore Lidz and Colin Ross[158] have argued that the symptoms of what is called mental illness are comprehensible reactions to impossible demands that society and particularly family life places on some sensitive individuals. Laing, Arieti, Lidz and Ross were notable in valuing the content of psychotic experience as worthy of interpretation, rather than considering it simply as a secondary but essentially meaningless marker of underlying psychological or neurological distress. Laing described eleven case studies of people diagnosed with schizophrenia and argued that the content of their actions and statements was meaningful and logical in the context of their family and life situations.[159] In 1956, Palo Alto, Gregory Bateson and his colleagues Paul Watzlawick, Donald Jackson, and Jay Haley[160] articulated a theory of schizophrenia, related to Laing's work, as stemming from double bind situations where a person receives different or contradictory messages. Madness was therefore an expression of this distress, and should be valued as a cathartic and trans-formative experience. In the books Schizophrenia and the Family and The Origin and Treatment of Schizophrenic Disorders Lidz and his colleagues explain their belief that parental behaviour can result in mental illness in children. Arieti's Interpretation of Schizophrenia won the 1975 scientific National Book Award in the United States.

79 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-02 01:59 ID:3lmG88hm

Was Foucalt involved in the "anti-psychiatry movement" you talk about? Just wondering, because its roughly the same period of time and I know he identified the whole "insane as the other" sort of thing.

80 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-02 08:38 ID:MFz6L5la

81 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-02 10:49 ID:HzyeQFPo

>>78

Interesting info,... but all of that has been rendered obsolete by current biological knowledge on schizophrenia. 2-3 years ago it was shown with the brain scan fmri method that schizophrenia development is accompanied by abnormal reduction in certain brain areas. These anomalies can also be detected in juvenile forms of the disease.

So schizophrenia is not just a cultural relativism issue. The brain is physiologically sick and taking measurable damage, and this is as objective as measles rashes.

This being said, it is also highly probable that a certain number of conditions may share the umbrella name of schizophrenia because of current lack of knowledge in fully characterizing the disease. So maybe a subset of people currently classified as schizophrenic do not suffer from brain atrophy, and their problems have another origin.

But nobody can seriously claim that schizophrenia is an issue of cultural perspective (unless you are ready to say the same about measles and the flu)

NB Curiously the schizophrenia article in wikipedia does not mention the study I'm talking about, and only cites a 1976 article. I guess I should update that, but I really have to some housekeeping chores today instead of digging litterature

82 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-03 22:14 ID:JsARWLtP

I don't make money myself I just mooch off of other people and enjoy doing so.

83 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-04 07:48 ID:XkFMqwPq

sigh The anti-psychiatry movement was naive.

Most people in psychiatric hospitals are not a burden to society but a burden to themselves. They just can't get things to work for themselves no matter how they try.

And I've been there, four years, so I would know.

84 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-04 21:36 ID:Heaven

>>83

Very true. I've "had" schizophrenia for a few years now and I've been in the hospital many times. Many of the people are a danger to themselves more than anything. A few have hit doctors but that's to be expected.

85 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-22 12:48 ID:kyoce+WZ

Hiki wannabes piss me off, they just try to sound cool, but they aren't real hiki, they have social lives and they go to school or work.

86 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-22 23:28 ID:Heaven

>>85
um, what?

87 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-23 00:15 ID:gQ3W/w2s

I agree, the wannabes are annoying, I've only recently been able to get over my fear of going into public, I hadden't left my apartment in 3 years, other than to walk down to the corner store at night and buy groceries, there is -nothing- "Cool" or glamorous about being so utterly terrified of going into public, that you shut yourself up in a small apartment for months, if not years.

I'm still really nervous around people, and truth be told, I still don't go out if I can help it, but I can actually go out to the mall to buy things I want, instead of having to order them online, as long as I'm not there for more than an hour or so.

Making money is not easy, I mostly lived off the money I had saved for University, but now that it's gone I've had to go out looking for a decent paying job, which wasn't easy. I'm stocking shelves at a Walmart right now, and I hate it, but I don't see anyway I could do anything in the middle of the day.

88 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-23 01:25 ID:3YPrNG2e

I mooch off my family. I have no social life and go to class about half the time, but i'm 26 and still haven't even achieved diploma. Been hospitalized for acute manic psychosis/schizo a couple times. I consider myself a hiki.

89 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-24 00:12 ID:6dum783/

I feel much safer confined to my house. The real world is full of rapists and evil people who backstab you and use you. I know that
if I go out something bad will happen to me. Last week I went out and this guy approached me and I ended up seeing him a few times in a week and now he keeps calling me. I'm scared.

90 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-30 04:53 ID:kPmy3gha

You can't work and be a Hikikomori.
Don't be a fucking moron, being a Hikikomori is not cool.
Get a job, and be a man.

91 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-30 05:00 ID:kyoce+WZ

>>90

I am a man, for I have a penis.

92 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-30 07:43 ID:kPmy3gha

>>91

  1. Are you "Hikikomori". Y/N?

If 1 = No: Congratulations, you have a penis.
If 1 = Yes: No, you are lazy, weak, cowardly

        and your penis has fallen off because it is ashamed
to know you.

93 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-30 09:21 ID:bvTH8dqq

>>89

so?

94 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-30 11:19 ID:kyoce+WZ

>>92

Your full of yourself, now get your head out of your asshole.

95 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-30 15:36 ID:7HUub8zK

I was for a yar pretty much, and It was the worst year of my life. It was just a waste of time, I'm glad I applied for college, at least I've regained some social skills.

96 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-31 05:17 ID:wgHTT1Ne

>>91

I am a man, for I am a miserable little pile of secrets.

But enough talk, have at you!

97 Name: Anonymous : 2007-12-31 22:49 ID:o84y8nT+

So it's New Year's Eve here and I'm SO RONERY, I assume all you other anons are too.

98 Name: Anonymous : 2008-01-01 01:28 ID:9JxYIbon

no because although I'm 20 I never left home

99 Name: Anonymous : 2008-01-04 04:13 ID:fKPKe4wv

>>1

both parents dead. after i finished college, lived off what i inherited for a few years. i was never a true hikki, i have a handful of friends and even during those years i managed to get out once in a while, but living the lifestyle does make you miserable and its difficult to dig yourself out. for the years i considered myself hikki, i pretty much didnt do anything but play mmos.

100 Name: Anonymous : 2008-01-04 09:08 ID:GSrfchGp

>>90
Actually there are plenty of jobs you can do without ever leaving your room. You would have to be skilled and connected first though before ever dreaming of being able to do them. And you'd need to leave sometimes and not look like shit.

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