Technology & Programming @ 4-ch

>>4
There are like 3 active users of #4-ch IRC and easily 10 or 15 VIPPER on the VIPPER Matrix. What is IRC "best for"? Clearly, it's not best for our community; Discord has even more people. Even if IRC is best, it's clear that's not where people are going. Better off on Matrix than Discord though.

>>4

>pming nickserv to sign up & sign in

IRC has always been shit

>linux
>better

the only way it can get better is if windows devs completely shit themselves. And looking at windows 8 and 10, this is exactly what's happening. Doesn't make linux any good, all it means is that you have two shitty oses now.

who are you quoting?

>>7

Matrix sucks. Server program written in Python with a very long configuration file. Every message sent is stored on server (like Discord). All Matrix clients suck, "flagship" client is an attempt to copy as much as Discord in a fast unstable way so there are bugs all over.
Slow as hell and most of the communities are just developer rooms. The "normal" ones are usually dead and when it is active its like being in a Discord chatroom. They advocate privacy yet censor creating or searching roms such as "porn" or "neet".
They claim to be the email of instant messaging yet you can't even set up a bridge to Discord/Slack/whatever from the app. You have to setup a Discord/Slack account and install more (nodejs/python) crap that may or may not work.

Yeah great instant messenger. Just use XMPP/Jabber or IRC.
At least it is actually stable and works properly.

>>11
I own and run #neets:matrix.org ; how censored is it really?

I agree that skipping on matrix.org is a good idea; just like how people interested in fediverse shouldn't use mastodon.org .

Also agree that there's a need for Matrix clients that aren't Element, but it works well enough when compared with Slack and Discord. It's no XMPP but it's also not trying to be XMPP.

>>11,7,4
why not come join the VIPPER xmpp room...
xmpp:saovq@conference.omaera.org?join

There is only IRC.

>>20 Typescript is probably closer to traditional JS and is good if you use an IDE like VS Code. I haven't used Coffeescript often however it seems more focused on code formatting, styling and clarity rather than Typescript's focus on safety. If you plan to use it as an intermediate language before moving on to some other project, it's probably not worth learning the intricacies of typescript (but I use it daily, so ymmv)

Apparently you can't install violentmonkey on android version of firefox. One webpage says you can use kiwi browser instead, but it says something about ads upon installing, I worry about using a browser like that.

Mr. 4-ch Refresher Userscript
It took almost 3 months, but it finally happened

>//this will break only if there are two threads added at once, and you merge them from an other tab. Quite unlikely
>alert("two or more threads at once, oh no")

Of course solved it myself by clearing values.

var cleaner_threads = document.createElement("style");
cleaner_threads.setAttribute("id", "cleaner_threads");
cleaner_threads.innerHTML = "                     \n \
#threadlist {                                     \n \
  overflow-y: hidden;                             \n \
  max-height: 194px;                              \n \
}                                                 \n \
#threadlist span {                                \n \
  display:block;                                  \n \
}";
document.head.appendChild(cleaner_threads);

Quick and dirty styling, probably ES5 compatible.
Maybe some adjustment needed for different computers, just shows top 10 threads threadlist on top of board in a more readable format line by line, if need more threads can click all threads instead. Easy to add more style of course if wanted without using a styling extension.

Yeah, 4-ch Refresher breaks whenever a thread gets moved to a different board or something like that. I plan to rewrite the entire thing, one day I'll get down to it, meanwhile I'll post the latest version I have.

https://files.catbox.moe/knocey.txt

Changes:

• Text box no longer expands as you click on it, but expands as you add newlines.
• Sage gets autofilled.
• Maybe something else

TODO:

• Use json instead of that custom "join lines together" code for saving data.

Uncaught ReferenceError: boards is not defined  -- 689  fetch.textContent = "[fetching(" + fetching + "/" + boards.length + ")]"

Problem after upgrade with fetching. Looking at rest of code I assume meant to be boards_list and not boards. Testing if sync works with this post.

>Disable captcha. Disable the god damn captcha. That's not something I can do though.

It's doable with tensorflow and a trained model in tampermonkey, but I think it's a bad idea to make publicly available.

oh, thank you, it was bugging me for a while. Need to find time to rewrite the entire thing one day.

Autosage is very nice.
I like the autoexpand feature, but it is a bit odd that it expands per character input and also expands when you're doing backspaces. I think adding a counter to see if it got bigger or smaller on each input so it can shrink when removing characters too.

Of course it's your userscript so it's up to you how it ends up and I prefer to see your vision on the features and design, but I am also trying things and sharing thoughts.
What I tried was a bit different, doing a check for newlines. Maybe need to adjust number 15 for different computers and styles, but I wrote this for me to try out.

You might have tried this too and discovered it doesn't work very well for paragraphs when the textarea is not so wide, there are many newlines that aren't in the input value... It works okay for ascii art, but it brings many annoyances. If you try to expand the textarea and start typing the box will reset size... Annoying!

Continuing what you did I decided to add a check on if the size got bigger or smaller. I let it continue to grow like you made it, it has the least annoyances out of the different methods I tried, but I also made it so it doesn't expand when you remove characters like spamming backspace. I also tried making it shrink on removed characters, but it was easily very annoying.

Maybe like this, also adding a linecounter so adding or removing newlines makes it add or remove more than if it's only a normal character.

https://pst.moe/paste/wsxaff?format=raw

I don't understand what that code does, but I'll try to merge it in, when I'll have time.

Originally I wanted to make it so that I can resize the textarea by dragging the upper right corner, but then gave up for some reason.

I will feel like I am living in the future when they find a reliable cure for cancer. Or when they make a robot girlfriend with a human personality and realistic boobs. Whichever comes first

the future is now (;´v`)

>>5
young mawn

the future has been now for over a decade

the future has been now for over a century

we are living in the past

>>30 what is the future like?

10GET

> Oculus

VR is a giant scam designed to trick investors into forking over billions. If you ever wonder why the vast majority of software for VR is still shovelware-quality, it's because it's designed to fool investors who are over the age of 50 and are generally ignorant about computers, and not so it can be enjoyable or useful for you the user.

Same principle applies to cloud gaming, and likely will be applied to more coming meme technologies that companies push as being "the future."

>>11
Second Second Life will be huge!
Yet everything is always ...worse than that 20 year old game.
I've never felt an urge to buy a VR headset so far. Maybe in another couple decades, but I'm doubtful.

I watched a letsplay of virtual virtual reality on youtube, and it was pretty fun.