Thread to talk about the actor...oh fuck it. You know what to do
Read all the rest and I am speechless at the Hamlet anecdote. I too would have killed him. Was it his younger sister's wedding? That was late 15 during the filming of KSI.
I had never heard the Airbnb anecdote!! Never even saw it mentioned. I think Sara Pascoe is right though - I bet he is a shagger, and as such I bet he has a healthy appreciation of women generally. In bed, at least.
I downloaded KSI for a long journey recently. I didn't manage to finish it. Maybe it was better on the big screen. In fairness it does strike me as a big screen movie. TH was gorgeous and beautifully muscled, not to mentioned oiled, in every shot. He delivered crappy dialogue in a completely wooden way. He sounded honkingly posh in about 50% of them, lending support to my theory that in real life he has 2 voices: real one (very posh indeed) and interview one (still not a regional accent, but distinctly toned down and slightly Lunnon accent).
Limos: I don't think London really is a limo city. Everyone takes the tube or cabs. Partly because the traffic is bad, partly because the cab drivers actually know where they going, and largely I suspect because there is nowhere for the limo to wait once you reach your destination. I have come across some seriously wealthy people through work and I have never met anyone who took a limo anywhere for day to day life (things like weddings or RC events are a separate category).
>>851 Anon here's the link, it's episode 47 "Female Archetypes with David Baddiel" at 2:41
http://guiltyfeminist.com/episodes/
I forgot to post it last time, since I wanted to ask you native language speakers, and especially you being British, something.
Given the title of the podcast and the program, I can't understand if they are just providing made up examples - as in I'm a feminist, I shouldn't give in to a professional shagger but I would because it's TH - or if it's believable that someone in Sara's position in the UK would publicly reveal something so private in a program. It's funny either way but I was curious.
I think it's the wedding he went to this spring where he sang at the karaoke, since the host in the podcast says he got up announced. I doubt it'd be a surprise for his presence would have been a surprise for his sister's guests.
>>852 I have never listened to this podcast before.
Having listened to the first 3 minutes I think that the examples are partly made up for the jokes but that that one may well be true. Sara Pascoe is not wildly discreet - she is currently doing a show in Edinburgh about the breakup of her relationship which is apparently toe-curlingly frank.
Now I listened to the other podcast with the wedding anecdote. Oh nooooooo. He said "yes I am actually here" like he was a really famous Tom Cruise type person. He said "they didn't think I got them a present but...."
I would have leapt up screaming "stick to the registry tightwad! Where are my steak knives?!!!!"
>>852 "I doubt it'd be a surprise for his presence would have been a surprise for his sister's guests." This will teach me that posting and walking do not go together.
>>853 If she had said the same with some other hot guy's name I would have taken it as a joke for sure, so I wondered if it was my disposition toward him making a difference. Besides, as you said Sara is not wildly discreet, I remember her at Norton's, but she is also well known, I think something like this would have made a splash on the internet if the audience had taken it for real - these podcasts are recorded at Kings Place and dates May 7th.
I can't decided, I can't see him register to AirBNB and book places, what if the owner has a hidden camera? ;)
>>855 I imagine that the shag-ee had booked the airbnb. She invites Tom back for some fun. It does sound like it happened after a wedding - exactly the time for a one night stand, and also when one of the parties to the shag might be staying somewhere other than home.
Daniel Craig confirmed he's back as Bond on last night's Colbert -/http://www.thedailybeast.com/daniel-craig-confirms-james-bond-return-to-colbert-i-couldnt-be-happier
But looks like only for one (as of now) so speculation will resume at some point as to his replacement.
>>854 Ugh so much cringing...yep, definitely obnoxious. I wonder if he has an inflated sense of his own star power. Probably still riding on the fumes of TNM's success.
>>855>>856 Yeah, I had assumed it was the other person's Airbnb, not Tom's. Though I did wonder if he wasn't paranoid about the other person taping them or selling the story then I figured that stuff usually happens when you sleep with total strangers or a fan or groupie. The Airbnb person must have been someone Tom knew personally and trusted to an extent.
Tbh, we have no idea of a timeline. We're assuming it all happened recently because we heard about it now. The Airbnb situation could have happened a couple of years ago and now that Pascoe is famous and TH is more well known now than he might have been when the shagging took place, she can use that anecdote in her joke's now instead of ppl going "eh? who? who's tom hiddleston?"
>>858 Ehm, I was joking about the Airbnb registration.
Anyway, mine is a linguistic curiosity, I've very little interest in his sex life. Sara doesn't just say "hey, a friend of mine shagged TH I'd do it too" that would be an anecdote.
The way I understood, after listening to it a few times, she tells it to demonstrate that you can be a feminist, know someone is a professional shagger (which as a term is as bad if not worse than womanizer?) i.e. that he would fuck anyone, and still want to shag him because he is hot.
If this was told as true but it is false, it'd be slander.
If it is true, given the limelight he had after tayto, someone would have run to SM and posted "Sara Pascoe just said TH is a shagger that would fuck anyone!". It's not the same as saying funny anecdotes about her exes.
Since neither happened, clearly to the audience present in that hall and to anyone that listened to this podcast - and isn't a TH's former fan - it was a joke.
Either that or my English comprehension needs some working đ
Anon.'s podcast was posted at 1.30am GMT. This appeared at 3am GMT. Hello lurkers, seemingly: https://zerofucksclub.tumblr.com/post/164236644446/the-debrief-podcast-by-bauer-media-on-apple
>>859 The intro seems like actual thoughts/conversations they've had, perhaps embellished for comic effect, but actual ones, so that the TH story rings true.
It doesn't need to be related to the wedding. Before we sold our apartments to buy the marital abode, we put one up on Airbnb while living in and preping the other for sale. It was a two bed, so we had two students doing courses at NYU and an actor with a traveling off-off Broadway show (yes, we rented out the sleeper couch!). They stayed for several months, not just a few days. I can imagine London being filled with actors/entertainment types who are there for a few months and using an airbnb. Industry types would also be less likely to blab about such an encounter, except to other industry types, e.g., her comedian friend Sara.
>>860 We will always have our lurkers. Coach and her links probably first drew them here. When I found that 'new' pic of Tayto on one of my, now infrequent, twitter raids, it didn't take long before it showed up in the usual places. This one I found by chance through my twitter follows - completely non-TH related. I'm happy for them to take and claim as their own rather than link to this board directly.
>>854 It is bags full of awful. I've said this before, we all have, he needs someone sitting next to him to put a hand on his arm and say, 'No, don't.' PR, assistant, his father, his childhood nanny brought out of retirement, significant other.
Given recent information, I'm assuming TH doesn't belong to the Zero Fucks Club but to the Airbnb Fucks Club. It's just like Boodle's, but not.
>>861 Ok I've decided: it was EO, she told Sara about her weekend in Hawaii and the mega villa became an airbnb for privacy reasons.
Twitter is full of Bond >>857 and more Hamlet ticket celebrants. Is this delayed reaction? I thought it was sold out a week ago. Did they add more shows to appease the fans?
>>857 People are rather desperately clinging to Craig's 'just one more' statement. They are hoping TH will be next in line but by then he will be very close to 40 and memories of TNM will have faded. This was a now or never moment it seems. My personal regret is that we now won't see Idris Elba as 007. What a panty dropper!
>>859 oops! Sorry haha lol but as you can tell I clearly did entertain the logistics of celebs shagging in Airbnbs. They tape the guilty feminist in front of an audience? I thought it was one of those in a small room or in a garage type podcasts. Well goes to show how much I researched when I heard about Airbnb. I pretty much thought what I wrote in my last post and moved on. I figured you all threw it in the "single adults have sex" pile and that's why it was never brought up on this forum.
>>863 TH never struck me as Bond material. Perhaps a character in the Bond universe but Bond himself? Nah. Even after TNM, I can't see him as Bond. Idris, yes. Tom, no. But to some fans I guess Tom was born to play Bond eyeroll
>>864>>865 If kitchen doors could talk. He probably has it fitted with a sex swing hence why all the ladies get propped up against it. Better for the back too.
A swing? Imagine the Hiddlesconda with G force behind it. That's all I'm sayin'
Slightly OT, but we are there already: Idris as Bond would have been fantastic. There is a great pic of Helen Mirren meeting him for the first time and looking awestruck. She said afterwards that he was so gorgeous she could hardly get a word out. For someone who has had men drooling over her for 40 years I thought that was so sweet.
>>867 Cue the fanfics! I better get credit. Jk please don't.
>>863 For Hamlet, there was a 2nd ballot drawing for those who didn't succeed in the 1st round. Tix are on sale for them til tomorrow AM GMT, I believe. So of course there was some only semi-legit "gifting" of slots happening via twitter. More on that later when not typing on phone.
>>870 see ##429 and following. I'll see if I can find the bicycle link. http://4-ch.net/tv/kareha.pl/1445094141/
According to tumblr there are still tickets available for all but one show!!
>>870 The kitchen door! A series of tweets suggesting that after PurseGateGate, TH took EO to his place and did the deed up against the kitchen door. The best parts being: he admired himself in a mirror before doing so (I think) and that the deed lasted two minutes.
Some rang true, some not. As always, we here made light of it and it was a running gag for a time.
>>872 That can't be true. Can it? Why would so many enter the ballot and then not purchase? Presumably they drew enough ballot entries to cover the number of available seats. Did the hottest ticket in town just become lukewarm?
Or is this because one person entered with 43 (mostly fake) names, 23 of those names were selected, but only one ticket purchased? Time to trot out the rotten quote?
##871, >>872, >>873 Thanks for the kitchen door background - too funny!
As of a couple of hours ago, RADA tweeted that all regular tix were sold out, but there were still some under-25 ones available. I would thought those would have gone early since they were limited. Guess Tayto didn't win him more younger fans!
>>874 So these must be the unsold seats scattered throughout the performances.
Wasn't that the whole point of Tayto? I've always secretly thought that his fanbase is mostly 35-40+ women and Under 21 boy 'nerds' - and he and his people know it! Which is yet another reason Tayto was so poorly envisioned. She doesn't have a wide range of fans and her fans don't seem to stick with her exes for long. No TS fan is buying tickets to see her ex as Hamlet.
>>875 Yes, exactly right on the demographic. Did I mention that the talk at the Southampton theatre he did a couple of years ago for a mate who is artistic director there was exactly that demographic? Lots and lots of emo/goth/geek girls under 21, about 3 people between 25 and 35 and a lot of people over 40. Plus quite a lot over 60.
Before today it sounds like there were tickets left for over 25s as well, hence the twitter surge of people getting them in the second round, who I didn't get the impression were all under 25. Is this a sign that the hottest ticket wasn't? I wonder if the faff with the ballot put a lot of people off (the kind who would buy tickets at the Donmar on their advance membership). Another alternative is that a lot of people from abroad entered the ballot hoping to be able to get time off but decided in the end it was too expensive at such short notice. Tickets for Coriolanus went on sale months ahead and that gives you time to arrange your vacation and maybe get a cheap flight - a month ahead, not so much.
>>875 He said in an interview during Kong's promo that he perceives his psychological age to be 26/27. It was during the China leg. That sheds some light for me on why he keeps aiming for that 20something demographic and a heartthrob celebrity status. 30+ is what I also assumed was his demographic.
Here's that age part in the Q&A:
twitter,com/daisy_104/status/896805108712824832
>>877 I thought this was very interesting. I think I mentioned before that George Clooney said that he thought one's development was arrested when one first got famous (hence he got famous in his early 30s and stayed a playboy for so long).
Interestingly Cymbeline, for which he won the Olivier for best newcomer, was 2008. So knowingly or not TH puts his point of arrested development when he first achieved what I might call measurable recognition.
>>876 From Twitter and checking the RadaHamlet site, the story seems to keep changing about what tix are/were available when. Saw someone who tried to get an under-25 ticket earlier and the system said they were sold out; then RADA announced today that the under-25s were the only ones left. And unfortunately some over-25 ballot winners were only notified today when there were no tix for them.
I think the non-sell out could be partly from the overseas/short notice effect you described. Also there likely were people who couldn't get seats together, or couldn't get the only date they could attend. And there were dropouts from the round 2 winners who didn't want to pay 95 pounds. Which left all the more opportunities for some nutter fangirls to stalk Twitter in search of unused seats. See the most extreme example called out here: insanely-smart.tumblr.com/post/164270807763/i-fucking-hate-ballots
>> 838, >>878, >>879 As I said above, I think that psychological age explains a few things. Especially how he managed to get so thoroughly played last summer by a 26-year-old high school graduate. No wonder if he then had massive cognitive dissonance at people calling him out for behavior unbecoming in a 35-year-old grown man.
In looking at his CV, 2008 does look like the year in which he started to get juicier roles and longer mentions in reviews. (Wasn't he up against himself in another role for the newcomer award that year?) I wonder if he's fixed on that age because he was clearly on the rise at that time, which must have given him such a high. He may not feel so in control of his life and/or career now.
>>876 And speaking of age, I realized today that R/H didn't offer any special ticket price for 60+ or 65+. Are senior citizen discounts not done in the UK?
@879
TBH: Insanely S is really not in a position to be mocking anyone seeing as she's been coddling and protecting Berlinale for years.
As for the twitter fan, she runs hot and cold and then acts like a brat when she doesn't get tickets and then happy when she does. Entitlement is huge with that one.
>>838 Nothing says unattractive like a 36 year old man thinking he's a 27 year old young man. He's so delusional.
>>839 I don't think that fan was being intrusive or rude. At least she made herself known unlike others who sneak photos of him while he isn't looking with their creepshots. TH had a ton of opportunities to leave the conversation and he didn't. Also, he's a public figure so he's going to get recognized especially if he takes the subway by himself. Yes that fans post was annoying to read through but no intrusion there and TH was nice and he asked her follow-up questions. He could've easily just said Hi and ignored her but he didn't. He was under no obligation to interact with her more.
>>883 Oh I agree about the oddly clever one! I just posted the link as a handy summary of some of the nonsense that's been happening on Twitter to get tickets.
>>883 She wasn't being rude, with that I'll agree. Nor overly intrusive. But I think she, as most would, given the chance, seemed reluctant for the conversation to end. Her story/language is very telling. She says 'we both stood at the back of the carriage.' How did you both end up there? She's sparse with details here, having been liberal with them before and after. Was the carriage packed so they naturally ended up there because it was the only space? Did he follow her to that location? Did she follow him?
From my time in London and interactions with Foreign Office types, I know that there's not a snowball's he would have ignored her or taken steps to end the conversation. Her or our insistence that he could have just walked away or just stopped talking (by pretending to be mute??!!), does not take into account that for a certain segment of British society chewing off a limb is preferable to the appearance of rudeness - not being rude, just appearing rude. I am of the opinion TH falls into this group.
Maybe TH's 'No' minder could accompany him on train journeys: 'I'm sorry, Mr. Hiddleston is not having conversations today. Thank you and fuck off.'
Hamlet has sold out (at last). I could use some perspective from this board, particularly the British members. RADA's intention with the ballot and the "tickets may not be transferred or sold" was obviously to make the process as fair as possible. Do you think the fans' working twitter to beg for tickets, fans who succeeded at the ballot giving their system IDs to other fans to buy tickets, fans from abroad who had no intention of attending "gifting" their tix to other fans, etc., is in the spirit of what RADA intended?
I probably shouldn't be so surprised by their actions, given what I've read about their behavior getting seats for Coriolanus. But it irks me that people who did succeed on the 2nd ballot (which was deliberately overdrawn by RADA) and got their emails late, were likely prevented from getting tickets by these fans. And I wonder - how likely are these fans (as opposed to more 'normal' theatre goers who applied) to support RADA in future if TH is not involved?
>>878>>880 It does explain how easily he got gamed by Taylor. Normal men in their 30s wouldn't be acting like that, thirsty or not. I think it'll take another year before he's able to clearly see his fuckup there.
I wonder if he's rejecting certain good roles because of this 27 yr old thing. From his interviews, I get the sense he wants an acting career like actors had back in the 80s. Blockbuster celebrity, that one name that could alone sell a crap movie, that type of career. That doesn't happen anymore now. Does he even know himself what he wants? Celebrity tabloid fame or respected successful acting career?
>>885 This is exactly what I was trying to articulate with my original post.
The reason I thought the encounter was intrusive was because the fan was (unintentionally I am sure) imposing herself on someone who could no more have escaped from the conversation than he could have flown. I am one of those people. I have no doubt that TH is one of those people. The Queen is one of those people, cf >>69.
I was also struck by the fact that neither the originator nor one single fan commenting on the encounter seemed to get it. Just because he has the chance to say "well, bye now! I'll just stand here quietly and be alone with my thoughts" does not mean he was a willing participant.
Anon. gets it. But she has lived among us with our peculiar ways.
>>887 I might be the only cynical one here with this opinion. When this whole Hamlet RADA announcement happened, I didn't buy it for one second that it's a genuine solely help support RADA initiative. It's setup as an easy vehicle for Tom's comeback and was in the works for a while. The ballot system guaranteed audience full of fans, not critics or theater lovers. They were banking on the fans. The "help support RADA" is part of two birds with one stone with TH's comeback being the bigger bird. Also fans always do this kind of stuff, not just TH's. Nobody is going to call them out on it because a) Tom needs those fans, b) the fans' behavior (as juvenile as it is) works in their favor.
I knew something like this would happen with this play and I think RADA/ Ken B were hoping for it.
>>887 I doubt very much that the fans' behaviour is what RADA intended. But narrowly speaking all they wanted to prevent was tickets being touted for hundreds of pounds. Giving your right to buy tickets to someone who could attend is not touting (unless money changed hands, and I am not so sure that that seemed to be happening).
I don't think that "regular" theatregoers are especially likely to donate to RADA compared to fans. I have been theatregoing in London for ages , I tend to think I am reasonably switched on about this sort of thing, and I donate a certain amount through memberships which let you buy tickets a bit in advance. It had never crossed my mind to attend a RADA show or give RADA money. I don't know anyone who's ever attended a RADA show or fundraiser.
It's also a crappy way to make money. The gross ticket take will be about ÂŁ240k. Taking off the expenses of production that is - what? - ÂŁ150k max. Out of ÂŁ20 million. He could have raised that on one night through selling tickets to a fancy dinner. There are also I think moral/ethical questions about getting students/new graduates to work for free on that production (even if it is a "good career opportunity").
>>890 No you are not the only cynical one. What I just said about it being a bad way to make a relatively small amount of cash for RADA says to me that it was a multipurpose event.
I am not sure RADA cares one way or the other about Tom's rehabilitation. I imagine RADA doesn't look the gift horse in the mouth when offered this production. TH probably tells himself it is all about RADA but really it is about rehabilitation with, as you say, an easy audience of people who are committed enough to enter the ballot and no critics.
BTW I have seen several articles about how dire the summer's box office has been, with a lot of expected hits such as Valerian or The Dark Tower turning out to be stinkers. KSI's box office looks pretty respectable in light of this.
>>887 Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, ever works out like it was intended. But they must have known there would be fiddling and very little playing-by-the-rules behavior. But probably little they can do about it.
NewAnon >>890 you are partly or totally correct. Everyone on this board saw it for what it was, a chance for him to earn back the serious actor cred he lost last year. Without looking back, I don't think one of us suggested otherwise when we had those discussions. You're not cynical, you're a common-sense realist.
I would, however, argue that it was 'in the works for a while.' Not sure what NewAnon means by that, but I can see it being cooked up post-Tayto, end of last year, start of this. The hiddlestonanons tumblr mentioned a 'RADA project' in March or April and kinda out of nowhere. They'd heard something concrete by that point so maybe initiated at the start of the year and confirmed around this time?
>>885 I get it. But at the same time, if he truly doesn't want to be bothered he should've taken a cab or hell even drove. Doesn't he own a Jaguar? I know the traffic in these big cities like London is bad, but if you're a well known public figure whose whereabouts are known to his fans, you try to avoid those places as much as possible. I know its awkward and uncomfortable trying to leave a conversation but you know he could also stand up for himself and be like "I'm sorry i'm really tired I can't really talk now. It was nice meeting you". But again, I'll give him the benefit of not wanting to seem rude, because I probably would do the same thing even if this annoying fan was well...annoying me. His fans are really intrusive overall anyway and Tom is extremely image conscious.
>>890 This whole RADA Hamlet thing has Comeback all over it. Kenneth Branagh is directing, its at RADA and also its a charity event and its TH taking on a serious Shakespeare role he's never done before. But the charity is more for TH then RADA itself. Serious role + Acclaim Actor/Director + Prestigious Drama School + Charity= Great PR makeoever for him. It's so transparent that Newzoids should do another skit about it.
Short break: unrelated to Hamlet. Guess which TH exgf has just scrubbed her major social media accounts (all instagram, 7 years of twitter)?
>>896 She's just like TH in trying to get a new PR image. She might be preparing to make an announcement on her new album or something. Whatever it is both TH and TS are still doing PR stunts to rehabilitate there tarnished public persona. Too bad the internet never forgets.
>>896 LOOK AT MEEEEEEE. Next thing she'll rock up at a wedding and sing a song rather than bring a gift.
>>899 I have a feeling, like most things in her life, SM follows fall under an airtight contract. Even if they don't, TH simply doesn't have the balls. He'll follow her empty (don't think they'll stay that way) accounts until twitter/IG dies or he dies.
I'm happy for him to prove me wrong but I don't think he's going to prove me wrong.
>>897 Let's make predictions!
>>901 Well that didn't come out like I planned!
1 - 4 are the categories. 5-8 are my predictions.
P.S. How do I erase all of my posts on this board because I'm pretty sure that I promised to buy a ticket for Shit Island and...I'd like to be excluded from that narrative.
>>890, >>891, >>892, >>894, >>895 Thank you all for helping me out of the rabbit hole of idealism down which I'd evidently fallen! Now that I've remembered the primary purpose - the Rehabilitation - the ballot approach fits into the scheme too. A way to look as though they're managing Tom's fans, because he's there to be a serious actor - while at the same time helping to seed the audiences with said fans! Where was the person who cooked up these ideas during Tayto?
>>891 About students/new grads working for free. If British Equity's rules work the same general way as the American union's, the new grads almost certainly had to be paid. And unlike the established actors, they probably weren't expected by the production team to then turn around and donate their salaries back to RADA. As for the students - the technical students in my drama school were required to work assigned productions at the associated professional theatre for free as part of our training. We were, however, paid for working as crew beyond the required slots for our program. TBH, I'm surprised that RADA doesn't have a way for its students to work on professional (i.e., for profit) productions as part of their training. I understand why they don't allow the actors to work outside the program, but in all the other disciplines, that would be invaluable experience and the best way for students to find out if the sometimes highly stressful life is really for them.
>>889 I do feel bad now that I didn't pick up on the signs that Tom really didn't want to be talking to that fan. I'm curious - do you think that even if she'd excused herself as she'd originally meant to do, would he have let it go at that? Or would he have felt obligated to continue the conversation even if she explicitly gave him an "out"?
>>892 Helping out RADA, "Taylor Swift and I are together and we're very happy", "we all live in a world where every phone has a camera"...the things Tom tells himself to get through his hardknock life.
>>894 Oh, I meant that post-Tayto, his comeback as a serious actor had been in the works for a while. I don't think it was something that was cooked up this year but something that began taking root last year when the media went after him for his Golden Globe speech. Since Tom himself has said that Ken B is his mentor, I'm positive he was helping Hiddles figure out his options. Something that's not too obvious but something that's also not movies, something that gives TH a boost in his journey to reclaiming his acting cred, something that got rid of the Golden Globe South Sudan fumble. The RADA Hamlet play is perfect and checks all boxes - working back to serious acting (no tabloids business for this 27 yr old), generosity in helping out his alma mater, etc etc.
>>903 Probably got ousted by Swift's PR. The way summer was handled last year, I do think his PR signed over his handling to her PR team. I've seen it happen with celebrity couples where one publicist will entrust their client to the other client's PR, and contracts are involved. Except in Tayto's case, it became clear later that one half of the couple did not have same goal in mind and just needed a human shield to distract from the Kimye scandal. That's when his management and agent were seen stepping in. I don't think TH ever consulted with them before he plunged in headfirst with Taylor.
>>893 I think that's because Kong made most of its money in the Asian market. The last time I saw its BI, it was the Asian market that pushed Kong into the BO hit territory. Otherwise, I think it would have met with a similar fate like Valerian and Dark Tower.
>>906 Yes, if he'd involved his team beforehand, the American members would have warned him the hell away from her!
>>896 Time for a makeover! It'll probably be a serious more thoughtful and mature Taylor Swift now. No more selfie squad stuff anymore but a more thoughtful poignant approach to life. Privacy, thoughtful quotes, more woke and less shook, mmhmm.
>>902 The kareha support staff can do it for you if you have your publicist give them a call. Just make sure it's Tree and not Luke making the call ;)
Apparently TNM 2 has no script, and they're still only tossing around plot ideas. I think they need to think like the Disney film Frozen, and Let It Go : ) There are so many Le Carre novels to pick from. The Perfect Spy is amazing, and Tom says that he loved it.
>>906 The fauxmance tabloid updates were definitely organized by her PR team, since almost every article was from her perspective or had gushing compliments about her. Except the radaronline article near the end, where Tom allegedly said he felt that they looked ridiculous in the tabloids. But I can't imagine anyone on earth being foolish/naive enough to sign a contract without consulting a lawyer and a publicist, first. Maybe Tom's American PR team who set up his "cheese board" Instagram page for his press tour convinced him. I haven't seen them around, recently...
>>889 To be honest Anon, I've never lived in England but most people would think like you did. It's obvious that in that circumstance it was up to her to let him go, she was the one who had to be considerate of his position and realize he couldn't just say "bye", particularly not after the year he had.
>>891 Well, he did a Kong screening with dinner that was pricer during Kong promo. I thought that was his "getting actual money for RADA", while this Hamlet seems to be more about advertising the merit of RADA as school (see students being involved not just as actors) to find private investors.
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Besides, if he had done a "dinner with Tom" to raise money for RADA it would have been taken has a demonstration of egocentrism.
>>890 There's one flaw with your reasoning, you say "The ballot system guaranteed audience full of fans, not critics or theater lovers." So where's the rehabilitation? His fans already like him and no critic is going to gush about a play based on what his fans say.
If this play is for the purpose of rehabilitation with critics, it makes no sense. If it is with general audience, they don't give a shit about tayto, mainly because they don't give a shit about TS. Ask who TS is in any of the 27 and if you are lucky they'll tell you it's a pop singer.
For media rehabilitation (provided it's still needed) a blockbuster is better.
>>896 She won her trial, she can't have teenage SM anymore (I'm kidding, that she won her trial is the only positive thing I found to say about her).
Her bff Sheeran left twitter, so maybe she'll keep the account to avoid fakes, but abandon SM.
>>914 I'm not sure that Tom could land a blockbuster with his reputation still covered in fauxmance residue and after the GG speech incident. What consistent young actor lands blockbusters anymore besides Leo D? Chris Pine is about to do a TNT tv miniseries for gosh sake! It's rough out there in LA. Maybe Hamlet will throw off the tabloid magazine crowd at least, for a bit. The less mainstream his projects are, the better. Please Tom, do a sexy French film with Isabelle Huppert. And maybe he should look to produce and star in another tv series. Less competition, and great visibility.
>>912 Wasn't the American PR team just a part time contract hire during ISTL? That's what it seemed like...
>>914 It's about TH reestablishing himself in Hollywood through appearances. Appearance of a sold out, in demand play when really it's just in demand by his die-hard fans. I'm sure Ken B has saved 1-2 special seats for a few friendly critics who are either sympathetic to TH or owe Ken B a favor or are his buddies, and will write a nice review about Tom helping out his school and mentor with his polished acting chops.
General public in US knows Taylor Swift really well so I'm not sure which general public you're referring to that isn't aware of TS. She's everywhere here and so is her personal life. That doesn't mean they're all fans (tho she has a big female fanbase ranging from teens to women in their 20s and 30s) but she's heavily mainstream here. Even grandparents know and like her here lol Tom was a joke in the public here last year because of how he and TS presented him as her bf, and it affected his standing among Hollywood producers, hence dearth of offers despite Kong's success. It's only the industry ppl he has to convince he's not the joke he came off as last year so they won't be wary of giving him a chance again, and that will take care of industry mags too. Tabloids won't care about him unless he does something gossip worthy or if he decides to sell his personal life again. Personal life gossip is all tabloids and tabloid readers care about and that isn't who he's aiming his comeback at.
>>916 He should try to see if he can land something with any of the streaming platforms. Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime or any of the On demand services. Shonda Rimes just moved all her shows off ABC and onto Netflix, and hers were some of ABC's highest rating shows. These subscription based streaming platforms are changing the face of conventional entertainment distribution and that's affecting studio and production decisions.
>>918 By On Demand services, I meant movies that will get released there before theaters or alongside their theater release.
>>917 Oh come on, I was nasty with this guy in every possible way last summer, but a simple play at RADA doesn't have the power to affect Hollywood producers. Are you saying they'll decide to invest millions on the basis that a small school theatre went sold out?
Before you said that the ballot was used to make sure no critic was present, now you are sure KenB will have seats for friendly critics - odd since even RADA's teachers had to enter the ballot - but let's say that were the case, wouldn't it simply piss off other critics hence ensuring negative comments and nullify this great master plan?
The world isn't just the US, nobody knows that better than Hollywood. Who paid for the last Mission Impossible and Kong film? The Chinese. Does it look like they think TH's is radioactive? No. Does it look like in the EU (the 27) people care about TS? No.
The studios care about getting a return in money, EU, China, Russia, South America, and all the South-East Asia don't care about TS enough for that to condition their opinion of TH - you should have read the Japanese journalists gushing about him during the Kong promo - and all these countries make a difference at the box office.
>>916 I wasn't necessarily speaking of a movie, it could be a tvshow. But between a RADA play and a successful hit, be it a movie, only the latter guarantees the exposure needed for worldwide media to talk about it. Kong in that sense already gave a help from a box office point of view.
>>881 Should have said: Yes! But we are used to the Crazy Smart one's hypocrisy around here. Because CS is the other side of a cray-cray penny she has to defend Miss Unrelated.
>>910 You might be on to something! That bish would have the gall to call her cooked up showmance song 'Bittersweet' instead of Contractually Obligated.
>>912 I wonder if he's going to cling to this project because it will give him a second shot at Bond, if they get the timing correct. You're right, let it go! Or do what Frozen did and turn it into a musical. He can star in Kong the musical and The Singing Night Manager. There can be an entire song made up of his annoying laughter.
I don't pretend to know how popular TS is in the EU member states. I suppose her tour numbers in those countries would hint at it. She's very well known here and well-known enough in general that TH decided to showmance with her - presumably to raise his profile. And a quick search of his name with hers on twitter tells me that they are still a package deal. He's not yet shook her off [I did a thing there ;)]. Yes his fans aren't going to mention TS, but her fans and those who only know them through Tayto will.
I don't know about how he thinks Hamlet is going to affect his HW career. I think that is second on the docket in terms of clean-up. But I agree with NewAnon >>890 (and others on the board) that this is meant to re-cred TH in terms of being a serious actor. The rehabilitation has nothing to do with fans, it comes from the choice of play, the venue, the short run (making it a hot ticket) and the charity aspect. They all scream actor who cares, not famewhore who showmanced - disastrously.
And I think its main purpose can be seen if we look at it in context. It was part of a trifecta which didn't come off. There was the Cannes conference which was all about being creative and artistic. Then there was the Camb. union speech which we think was going to be about Unicef. Those didn't happen for various reasons but suggest that he's going in like a D-5 on creative, serious, charitable, back to his roots.
NewAnon, I think you live on the west coast. Are you in the biz?
>>920 Except that it's not just some simple any old RADA play, it's a coproduction between RADA and Kenneth Branagh's own theater company, directed by Kenneth Branagh himself. It carries a certain respect while appearing humble. Look at the headlines that announced this, they all said something along the lines of Kenneth Branagh directing Tom Hiddleston in Hamlet. Not something like Tom starting in fundraising play for RADA. It's a clear attempt at stitching back Tom's reputation. The play isn't aiming at making Tom a hit sensation nor is it aiming to showcase him as the next big thing so I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up.
He wasn't at the top of casting lists before last summer but at least he was on the lists (usually as last choice but still there). He isn't anymore. This is an attempt at getting him back in the mix as an actor, hence comeback vehicle. He should appear to be the opposite of what his image currently is because of last summer. Image matters, look at Peter Dinklage in the upcoming sci-fi mystery Rememory. His acting and image from doing GoT worked so well together that despite his unconventional physical look as a lead for that genre, he got that film.
Having your own critic friends there who'll do you a favor is a lot different than having it open to any and every critic. No critic is going to write scathing angry editorials or articles that they didn't get tickets to Hamlet. It's not Hamilton. Why would they waste their time on that? This production isn't claiming to renovate the face of theater as we know it nor is it claiming to be better than the other shows in town. It's not saying Tom is going to do the best Hamlet performance ever done to date. It's not claiming anything extraordinary that would cause other critics to feel they're missing out and to get angry and write anything negative unless they specifically have a personal axe to grind with Tom or Ken.
Sure, Wanda Group financed Kong but it was before Tayto, the movie wrapped up before Tayto hit public. It was in post production by then. I don't see what bringing up EU and politics have to do with movie production unless we're looking at the current trade war friction between China and US which would impact Chinese financing in US movies. Already Legendary is putting out statements distancing itself from Wanda's funding.
Yeah, studios care about making money so they pick sure fire moneymakers. When producers make big movie pitches to investors or studio execs, they either have an idea of cast already or they'll start casting once they secure financing. Tom might have better marketability in Asia but he's not even the top guy there much less the only guy, and it's not a loss if he's not in it. I'm sure Chinese investors don't care about TS and Tom and last summer personally or specifically but they also don't care about Tom specifically just because of Kong. Also investors don't sit around coming up creatives, producers find a project and approach them. How many Chinese investors are rushing to finance movies demanding specifically that Tom be the main lead because of Kong's numbers? Are Wanda Group or Shanghai Films saying they'll only fund movies with Tom the guy from Kong in it? They'll fund whatever if the numbers are good enough. However let's make it more general. How many big movie pitches or decent movie pitches are currently being made to potential investors (not just Chinese or international ones) which specifically are considering Tom in a leading or one of the main roles after last summer? None after Tayto tbh.
Referring to your comment about the world outside US, unfortunately unless the movie calls for it, Hollywood does not aim at the international market as their primary demographic. Default demographic is always put down as white males (that's why we have the diversity problems that we do). The international market plays second to the domestic market for most movies.
>>923 yes I'm on the west coast. I'm in the non glam side of the biz but in the industry.
>>923 Interesting idea about the rehab trifecta!
I think that part of what's behind RadHam includes this: in the English-speaking world at least, he's become tabloid fodder and his name a literal punchline. Anon has pointed out that he used to be a golden boy to the UK press. Hamlet is a non-fame-whorish way for him to try and win back the favor he used to enjoy. (Which I think he wants both professionally and personally.)
About the industry, at the very least it signals that he's back actively looking for work (even if he had to create it in this case). And it will remind casting directors that he can do something other than Loki, which otherwise would be the only role he's seen in for a while between T:R and IW.
As I mentioned above, this production benefits him and KB/RADA in many ways. In particular, KB gets a well-publicized kickoff for the fund-raising campaign (even if this show doesn't actually bring in much money). And on the side, it also keeps the name of Branagh's theatre company alive.
>>924 Thank you, I thought this was very enlightening.
Especially the bit about him having been on lists but at the bottom, but now being on no lists. Is that something you know from working in the industry or an informed guess?
I'd also love to know your (and everyone's!) thoughts on where he was and now is on other lists than "tentpole blockbuster" (which I assume is what NewAnon was talking about above). I guess that there is an "innovative indie, won't make a dime" list, and that he was at or close to the top of that list (Ben Wheatley was clear he was first choice for HR, and he was also first choice for ISTL). Also, I guess, a list for movies with a budget of $50-60 million which may or may not be a breakout success. I would speculate he wasn't ever at the top of that list, hence he got CP only once Cumberbatch dropped out. I am guessing he wasn't at the bottom though as he seemed to be second choice after BC. And finally a British TV list - I actually think in early 2015 when he did TNM he was high up that list and maybe at the top, as he combined a decent degree of fame with being young and hot, but not yet so in demand that he would refuse to do British tv.
Where is he now on any of these lists, I wonder? Has Tayto been such a disaster that he can't get a job off any list? I find that a bit hard to believe, though as NewAnon says, image is important and his is still not good. Is it because he only wants projects off the "Tentpole" list, where he is nowhere? Is he rejecting decent indie projects? Be interested to know what everyone thinks!
>>927 Innovative indie/won't make a dime: Probably was near but not at the top of the list.
His track record in that category (not including the Joanna Hogg films which were early on in his career):
I think HR's budget was high enough to be in the next category.
To me, this track record reads as (a) financially, he can't help make a film make money, but neither could any of his better-known costars; and (b) critically, he will get good to great reviews but can't save a bad movie. So his strength in this category depends on his reviews, which in turn somewhat depend on his image/reputation. My guess is he is now at best right where he was pre-Tayto. Producers/directors in this category may want to wait a little longer until the Tayto stink has further dissipated. RadHam will appeal to them as a "comeback."
>>927, >>928 Movies with $50 - 60M budget that may or may not breakout: Probably was near but not yet at top of the list, though it depended on the role. I should have included CP here rather than in the first group!
Track record:
> CP (a bit more) I have the impression that Del Toro contacted him immediately after BC dropped out, so Tom may have been a close second in the casting.
> HR - was the first choice; billed 1st; lost money; mixed to poor reviews for the film, to the point that the actors didn't get much attention, so I think Tom's reviews were fine but not exceptional.
I think this track record is similar to that in the first category, with perhaps a little less strength in the reviews because the director and production get more attention here unless the performances are breakout. So my opinion is he hasn't budged from where he was at this level before last summer, and might even have dropped slightly from where he started before CP. It doesn't help that both films flopped financially and got mixed reviews. And there's a lot more competition in this category for the lead part! I think it will somewhat depend on luck of there being a role for which he's somehow a better fit than BC, Eddie R., Fassy, etc.
>>927 British (and somewhat, US) TV list: I agree with you on where he was. And of these categories, this is the one in which I think he's probably still strong.
I gather TNM was big hit in the UK and he was a big hit in it; while it wasn't as hot over here, it had a LOT of strong competition - the US is having a "peak TV" period! It's a feather in his cap that there's interest in doing a second series/season of it.
And for some reason I think that TV producers/directors won't care that much if at all about the hit to his personal reputation. Something tells me that this category is a little less concerned about reviews and more about casting that will help draw viewers.
I think this is the category on which he should focus for now. There are so many good short series happening in the US for the streaming services that he could make a big splash with a short investment of time.
>>927 Last one tonight, I promise! I'm also skeptical that he can't get a job from any of these lists. (And there's also theatre work.) My guess is that the lack of new projects is a mix of factors.
I wonder if he didn't perhaps take his eye off the prize for a while while he was preparing for/filming/publicizing so many projects in a row before last summer - CP, ISTL, TNM, H-R, KSI . He may not have had the time and energy to read through scripts in his few off hours. (Also probably didn't help that he spent some of those hours socializing with his cast mates during ISTL, H-R, and KSI.) Also, this might be where Anon's comment about Eton boys being told they're Masters of the Universe from age 13 comes in - once he started to get a lot of film/good TV roles all at once, he may have assumed that they would just keep coming (because, he thought, look at all the great work he was doing). And then there was taking off a chunk of last spring and summer to have "fun"....
Meanwhile, he has fierce competition for good roles, and they may be more active in making their own work. For example, BC found Imitation Game from the Blacklist script list and told his agent to go after it. Supposedly he's also now producing some of his upcoming projects.
He might be holding off for a "tentpole" lead role; he might be waiting for just the right indie/breakout part. Or he may be having a crisis of confidence and is deathly worried about making the wrong choice for his comeback.
>>931 Reading scripts is literally the only thing actors are supposed to do when they're not working, and I don't think that Tom can be described as lazy. There are a lot of talented drama student grads in London, and not all of them ascend the totem pole on stage and screen, in the UK amd the US. I think Tom/he and his reps got greedy/careless. Actors are supposed to book the next job before their last movie opens. Tom was flying high off TNM reception worldwide, and the some critical praise for ISTL, and had Kong in the can and Thor 3 about to film. So, he/his Team thought they could wait till the Emmy and GG nominations came in and that they could use the tabloid attention from the fauxmance to make him super marketable to studios. Instead, Tom was called out on the fauxmance, was tangentially involved in a reality star/pop star tabloid feud, and now his systematically cultivated Cambridge/RADA/hard working mysterious thespian halo has been knocked off. Tom needs to either stick to theatre and do 3 or 4 plays in a row to get the citics back on his side, produce and star in another limited tv/online series, or rebuild/rebrand in indy cinema and supporting roles in Europe.
>>932 Ascend the totem pole of stage and screen was soo melodramatic. So silly. I should have said so few acting students have successful film careers. Blah.
>>931 "For example, BC found Imitation Game from the Blacklist script list and told his agent to go after it." - Heynon, how is the Blacklist TV series related to the Imitation Game in this instance?
>>932 Sosorry, you hit it right on the head here: "and now his systematically cultivated Cambridge/RADA/hard working mysterious thespian halo has been knocked off." He cannot afford to be picky anymore if that's what's going on.
I would imagine he wants a career as hot as Tom Hardy's right now, but somehow do it being less busy than Hardy. But he can't have it that way. Like Heynon said in >>931 about thinking scripts would be handed to him from now on the way it was with ISTL, or being asked by A list directors to join in prestige ensemble spots like War Horse or the Woody Allen movie, without having to audition. My guess, or really, what I believe without really knowing the business at all - Hollywood wants to see if he's growing beyond a comicbook character and fauxBond - how far outside his comfort zone has he gone, is he willing to go? ISTL was only the start, and he has to continue finding roles that pull him out of himself. Maybe throwing himself into the theatre and/or a TV series for a few years will be the way he shows he's matured. Tom Hardy has 15 titles somewhere in development - optioned, script, announced, planned, exec prodcer, in a variety of titles and genres....Tom Hiddy has 1 listed, Hard Boiled. Maybe he was auditioning his ass off and getting turned down left and right before Ken solidified the Hamlet run.
>>927 Itâs something Iâve seen. Tom was usually last in line for any big budget film if there was no exact cast in mind.
For Crimson Peak, he got the role because Benedict Cumberbatch personally recommended him when he left. Tom wasnât 2nd in line or anything. And because of that foot in with Legendary, I think thatâs how Tom got involved with Kong in the early initial stages of the treatment before an actual script was even written with a finalized director.
I don't believe Tom was ever in consideration for Bond. Actors sign NDAs when they audition for a role or are pulled into initial talks for it. None of that obnoxious Tayto stunting would have been accompanied by âBond hopefulâ in the tabs if he was actually being considered for it. Itâd be a clear violation of the NDA. Or maybe he did violate the NDA and thatâs why producers donât want to work with him anymore.
I think Tomâs approach to the business is not very smart and he wastes his lucky breaks. Eg: his success in a Marvel ensemble and wanting movies at that level. Switching agencies shows that. That's how he ended up at the bottom of lists for big projects because his work at the time didn't justify him even being in the middle, much less top. If Tom had used his breakthrough momentum wisely while at ICM, he could have easily been doing projects at the level of Ex-Machina ($15m, great acclaim) around 2013 instead of something like Muppets. Even with WME, he could have achieved that if he'd been aiming for good meaty roles, not just pushing for leading roles or roles in big budgets or franchises. He hopped on that train late with High Rise ($8m), and quite frankly, I don't think he would have ever considered Laing if it werenât for Jeremy Thomas.
Post TNM, Tom most likely would have been middle of the list for a leading role in movies at the level of The Snowman or top of the list for shows like Netflixâs The Mindhunters. He wasn't in consideration for Snowman at the time but I believe he would be considered for movies at that level now if it werenât for the Tayto spectacle.
I know it sounds trite but image is important in Hollywood because it shows what an actor's goal is - acting or fame. He's not being considered for quality projects which he could have been after TNM and Kong. The image he projected last summer was that of a narcissistic actor who could turn a project into a "me me me" affair by calling paps during filming or leaking photos/ info from set or talking about only himself during the promo junket and would require constant babysitting. His Golden Globe speech also gave that impression. These are valid concerns any good producer or exec producer would have.
>>925 I'd always suspected this given your posts. Good to have it confirmed.
I can't tell a tent-pole from an indie sleeper so I won't even guess. He himself said pre-Tayto that he was the bridesmaid more than the bride. OLLA was Fassbender's before TH's. CP also belonged to someone before it fell to him, as noted here. The Sony leaks showed us that it wasn't false modesty on his part. He was never top of the list, even for a stinker comedy like Grimsby, and was considered B list by studios.
>>932 I think you're right. He and his people were betting on this. ISTL, TNM and Tayto were all meant to catapult him into the big-time. TNM worked in the UK, less so in the US. To paraphrase the song, 2 out of 3 ain't bad, but .75/3 is.
I'm sure he'll get another job but maybe not what he was wanting or expecting last year in March, April.
OT I'm currently on the roof of our building waiting for the eclipse. It's cloudy, of course. Junior is in his covered buggy and asleep but my MIL is still shielding him like a Secret Service agent. We look like tits in our glasses.
More on eclipses later.
>>935 Ever since he left ICM for WME he's been getting bad parts. Him and his team thought that just because he had great acclaim as Loki in the first Thor movie and Avengers that he could keep on going with that. But he got full of himself and switched to WME when ICM was getting him supporting but yet quality parts. With his actions with Taylor it just shows he's impulsive, impatient and just plain naive and with the Golden Globes speech narcissistic. He needs to stick to theater for awhile and if he wants to get A-list he needs to go on TV. He doesn't have the magnetism of a leading man at all.
>>937 What did the Sony leaks say about him? I only know that they pretty much described him as a desperate famewhore who will do anything the studios tell him to do.
>>936 No, I meant the Black List script list/marketplace that helps scripts get more notice and picked up: https://blcklst.com
>>936, >>940 And an article about the Black List: http://www.npr.org/2017/01/27/512047249/the-hollywood-black-list-turns-overlooked-scripts-into-oscar-movies
The Eclipse was magical, according to friends who live near or travelled to be near totality. Where I was, roughly in the 70% zone, it became 3degCelsius or so cooler, and I got some nice pics of the crescent-shaped sun as the moon was partially covering it by noticing the shape of leaves' shadows on the sidewalk. The birds were totally quiet during.
As ever I have learned a lot! Thanks all.
I think Sosorry is bang on in suggesting that he thought he would wait till after Tayto success (!!) and Emmy noms etc to see what was out there. The plan maybe also included planning a break in early 2017, knowing how much he would have been doing through 2016 (KSI, fauxmance, Thor 3). So, as he thought, see what comes up from September 2016 onwards, expecting to be booking by the end of 2016 and filming by mid 2017 after a break.
>>935 I had never really thought of how producers would see Tayto in terms of needing babysitting on press junkets etc. I just thought they would see it in terms of whether he was a credible leading man with the public. It's sad that he unravelled years of being a good company man with 2 months of messing around - I mean, he could not possibly have been criticised for how hard he worked on the ISTL tour in March/April 2016.
>>937 >>939 Here are some of the copies of the hacked Sony emails about Tom Hiddleston. The first email implies that his ego is easily flattered by film executives, and that Paramount had recently turned him down for a certain project. Tom is thought of as B list in general, but Sasha Baron Cohen wanted him for Grimsby and raised Tom to his personal A list for for a part in his film. Hmm...So directors who know personally of Tom's work wanted to work with him despite his status in the chain, before last summer. Unfortunate.
https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/69606
https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/79244
https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/93418
>>939>>945 Don't think you can get 'famewhore' out of the emails. Maybe his behavior, but not the emails! The most telling is that he wanted to play the part of a spy/intelligence officer in dramas, not comedies, i.e., wanted Bond bad.
>>943 It was only 70%ish percent here too but it was eerie and special nonetheless. The little one slept through it but I can say that he 'witnessed' it. No birds around to see their reaction. The traffic wasn't quiet. My MIL was! Miracle.
>>946 Bond was never in the cards for anyone besides Daniel Craig. Bond producer Barbara Broccoli just was one of the producers of his Off-broadway production of Othello, in which, Craig played Iago. There was a blind item that Tom was in their peripheral vision, somehow. But blind items can't always be trusted.
Tom was "accidentally" seen running yesterday in his hw ISTL Hank Williams ISTL baseball cap. Will we get planned grumpy cat Tom pap pics while he carries coffee, closer to the opening of Hamlet? Time will only tell.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYDDliNlyqp/?taken-by=tomhiddleston_daily
OMG. Remember when Tom came out to support his Avengers' director, and Buffy, Angel, and Serenity series creator, Joss Whedon, at the premiere of Much Ado About Nothing? Well Whedon's ex-wife, architect Kia Cole, has just denounced him in a personal essay as a 15 year serial adulturer, pathological liar, and fake feminist, which caused her to develop "Complex PTSD"! She designed their georgeous marital home, which was used as the location in the Much Ado film. Let us remember that the fallout from a real relationship in Hollywood is much uglier than a fake one. Links to Tom at the premiere and the story are below.
http://www.celebitchy.com/546819/joss_whedons_ex-wife_joss_is_a_compulsive_cheater_a_fake_feminist/
http://www.thewrap.com/joss-whedon-feminist-hypocrite-infidelity-affairs-ex-wife-kai-cole-says/
http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/2889192/tom-hiddleston-supports-joss-whedon-much-ado-about-nothing-01/
>>932 Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Tom is lazy. Just that he had so much going on, especially with how intensely he prepared for ISTL and how hard he worked on that promo tour, that he may have dialed back looking for work just a notch. And I think we're saying essentially the same thing at the end - that he/his team assumed that good roles would just come in on their own, particularly as you pointed out after any awards nominations. But as others' later posts have pointed out, he wasn't really high up at all in the feeding chain, and the competition is fierce. (Plus I suspect any actor would be better off having too many irons in the fire because of the number of projects that turn into vaporware!)
>>942 You're welcome, Whatsinaname! I think I actually heard about the Black List when I was first lurking on this board.