Thread to talk about the actor...oh fuck it. You know what to do
>>580>>582 I just meant the fascinating lengths that TH will go to protect his privacy from the general public. He sat next to JA at Wimbledon in July 2013 and held hands, and just b/c it was mentioned by Elle magazine, Tom immediately the next day did at pap walk with Sherlock star Lara Pulver at Nobu for the Andy Murray Victory Dinner. Celebs are papped at Wimbledon with their dates all the time, why do you need to rush out and distract from the situation? Then Tom implies to GQ in an interview that the JA situation wasn't something to write home about, which some found to be a bit dismissive of her, whatever the casual terms of their hanging out situation were. They were then caught by fans after a preview screening of Sherlock, shopping in theater the bookstore where JA was hidin in a pink scarf, while Tom was kind of ignoring her, so people said. Then radio silence on his love life and no sign of JA at all till she was photographed on the Bora Bora trip and incorrectly labeled as his wife in the photo where TH wouldn't even put his arm her in the photo at the restaurant . Then, just after this lovely and naughty passionate vacation, they split for good a couple weeks later. He's just a funny fish when it comes to dating. Many handsome male stars date publicly and keep their fan bases, and do critically acclaimed work. Look at Oscar Isaacs. I just find it interesting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2358725/Thor-star-Tom-Hiddleston-spotted-rumoured-girlfriend-Wimbledon-mystery-lady-day.html
http://us.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/12016061615230/tom-hiddleston-dating-history/6/
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/98/c8/21/98c8218ac2d6e441e4e51e4f8d4d0c34.jpg
>>601 Ok I'm on break and I will go back to summer in a moment, but I have to write this because fake news is fake news.
Sosorry, they were not holding hands at Wimbledon, if they had we'd have a photo of it and we did not.
And He did not do a pap walk the day after with Lara Pulver. I wrote this before but clearly it needs repeating, Lara Pulver at the time was (and still is) a) a big fan of Murray, she tweeted to him just before the finals so she was going to his party on her own, b) had a boyfriend, Raza Jeffries, who became her husband in 2014, c) all of this was public knowledge. Just because the DM couldn't even recognize her, after slamming her for her Sherlock episode, thinking she was some new mysterious love interest it doesn't mean it was a covert operation at the service of TH. She deserves more credit than that.
Other than that, good luck understanding his dating life :)
But I leave after posting this, because it made me smile (even if you probably already read about it).
https://twitter.
com/SiansUniverse/status/860198017550438405
>>603 Oohhhh!!! The supposed bestie hanging out with the ex who likes to shade TH! This is certainly interesting. The whole thing when he was hanging out with Sian and being so chummy chummy on Twitter and vacationing together. Then he comes back from his UNICEF trip and suddenly it's all silent, like full on strangers. Not to mention how Sian disappeared from Twitter for a whole year. Ah memories...
I wonder if Sian and Susannah bonded over the Hiddleswift fiasco and had a laugh over it.
>>602 I apologize unreservedly. JA linked her arms over his arm, near his hands. My point was that Tom was out in with her in a very high publicized place, and there's nothing wrong with a single man going on a date with a single woman even if he is famous.
And, I am a huge Lara Pulver and Raza Jeffries fan. Happy that they're married and they have a baby son. But their relationship, although in the public sphere, was not so highly publicized at that time, b/c they've never been fame addicted. Luke is no fool. I don't think that the papparazzi casually happened to photograph Tom with a second woman, immediately the day after Wimbledon by accident, even at a public Andy Murray party. I think Tom's London photos are all planned. Lara remonstrated the DM for not recognizing her on her twitter, but she didn't mention her bf Raza in that tweet. She and "Hiddlebum" are thick friends and I think they casually agreed to arrive at Nobu, or leave Nobu at the same time for PR. Not a crazy shenanigan, but it makes sense to me.
>>601 The 'nothing to write home about' is why people figured she was an FWB not a gf, sosorry
>>602 Wasn't his dating life with JA one of the reasons for the first thread here? LOL!
Good to have you peek back in, Couch. The tweet in >>603 is news to me. SF is still really pretty, isn't she?
PS: ID:Efyef8Wk is my laptop. This post is written from my desktop.
>>606 Apparently i was wrong, first thread started about the Thor: The Dark World promo tour.
>>607 oddly enough the first thread (which I think Couch said came about because someone on a different platform suggested/told the Hiddles fans to set up shop elsewhere) was at a similar stage of the Hiddles career - the great drought of 2013. During this year TH would turn up to the opening of an envelope - hence I think the extended tour in the Far East for Thor 2. At the time the uber fans were doing the "he is WORKING SECRETLY ON PROJECTS" thing - though in fact he walked into CP quite late on on 2013 after Cumberbatch pulled out, i.e. he had only fixed that up late in the day.
>>605 Lara's previous husband was Josh Dallas who played Fandral in Thor 1 (Lara was often on set because of it) and her private life was talked about because he divorced her to marry Ginnifer Goodwin around the same time Thor was released and because of her popularity for Sherlock.
(actually, she didn't remonstrate the DM, she made fun of the DM for not recognizing her with her clothes on)
>>604,606 It is certainly curious. In the end, Sian was likely friend with both. We really don't see but a partial picture, do we?
>>608 To be fair, he was working on Capa in spring 2013 (I now don't remember anymore when he went to Hungary, May maybe) before it fell through. After that there was a void filled with events until he started working on Coriolanus in September (and then CP).
Maybe now it feels worse because...well we all know why. (although taytay handling of her new bf is so ridiculous that her clumsy attempts at slamming TH thankfully turned out to be a huge favour to him)
Who knows, maybe he is preparing for some role, maybe not, maybe he is getting his balance back, maybe not.
I'm not so convinced he is working on IW, I don't see why Marvel would work so hard to keep Loki's presence a secret, when so many new characters have already been announced. Besides, the Thor franchise needs all the buzz it can get, one of its problem was that you don't need to see those films to watch the Avengers films. Letting people know that even Loki is in IW would bring more people to see Thor3.
>>611Welcome back Couch! I should have said previously.
I guess earlier this year he was doing something on his UNICEF project too. I'm not saying a total drought in either 13 or now - just relatively so given that we know he likes to be busy.
I totally agree that he is unlikely to be doing REALLY SECRET WORK on IW (anyone see a pattern in the fangirl madness?!). There was that rumour of him being in Durham for a weekend or so while they were filming there, and I suspect that may have been it. The beard in those recent photos didn't arrive in a weekend.
Whether he is recovering or getting balance back who knows. I slightly suspect he is going slowly nuts in Hiddleston Towers. He's all about the work, he's fiercely ambitious and he appears to all intents and purposes to be on the beach. There's more than a touch of the Norma Desmond about those recent pics.
>>609 I'm not sure if Lara saying that the DM didn't recognize her with her clothes on was a slight tease, esp after the newspapers questioned whether her Irene Adler performance in Sherlock was independent enough, since Sherlock had to save her at the end of the episode. I think she was annoyed. And although Lara had been married to Josh, and Raza had been a part of the the whole Spooks marriage and dating tree, people in the US and internationally aren't as familiar with the behind the scenes dynamics of every single UK tv show. It's not as if the split of Josh and Lara was discussed all over the world by all Marvel fans, or examined on the front page of People magazine, b/c Lara had hung out on the set of the Thor. And Lara's popularity in the US didn't explode from being Irene in the film industry, although it was a great turn for her. As you know there are tiers of fan awareness nationally and internationally. Maybe the DM didn't recognize Lara b/c of her slight oompah loomoah tan, now that I think about it, but it was still a silly error for them. Anyway, every actor has to draw attention himself/herself, and I don't think that pretty pics with other pretty people just "happen." Not judging, just realizing that I can't buy into that anymore.
>>612 Norma Desmond, haha! I'm seeing Tom descending the stairs of his house, while rocking a turban like Gloria Swanson, while belting out With One Look like Patti Lupone. Dear me.
I AM big, it's the fake romances that got small.
Coach and Lex? It's 2015 all over again!
Welcome back, Couch!!!! I kinda wish TH would have another showmance, maybe with a Kardashian, just so the old group would stop in. Anonsy, you, quaaaaaaazzzzzzz, anonymous1, M. With the oldies and newies, and a showmance, this place would be rocking.
Enjoy your summer, Couch
>>616 HAHAHAHAHAHA
We haven't heard from anonon, N11Anon (is that her number? Suffering from brain fade here) and a whole range of folks for a while now.
>>617 It's like old home week around here, isn't it?
>>611 >>612 I'd say that they're keeping his IW involvement under tight wraps because any clues right might give away the ending of Thor 3 - at least his part in it - before the promo tour and newer versions of the trailer are released as they get closer to November. His Thor role is small, the IW role is probably even smaller screen time-wise so I agree that the filming in Durham may have been it. Then again, it's Marvel, so who knows.
>>620 For all we know, Marvel might have paid him to sit out this summer to conceal that T:R willl be his last Loki. Hey, one conspiracy theory is as good as any other, right?
>>612 Norma Desmond! LOL! He's walking around the house in his Loki helmet, "I'm not just selling Loki, I'm selling me!"
His skin looks paler than usual. Makes me think he's been indoors for a while. Whether because he's been sick or depressed...He's very ambitious and to have been high on acclaim and accolades then fall like that with Hiddleswift, I don't think he's taking it well. I'm still in disbelief over how fast it all happened. But TS stock is falling in the public eye so he may get redeemed after Thor Ragnarok promo.
He's wearing the Hank Williams cap in the pics which I think ppl figured out because of Marc Abraham wearing his in the new BTS pics. Are they releasing anything extra for the movie and they told him to shill it so he had to drag himself out to get papped with the cap? I don't think the paps are sitting outside waiting for him anymore and have to be called now.
>>621 The fans are saying their prayers that Thor: R. becomes Loki: R., and IW is renamed IW: The Loki Edition. Then they can shout 'I told you his career would be fine' from the tops of their tumblrs. But it just isn't going to happen. >>620 is right, those parts, just by necessity of storyline/other characters, will be relatively small. Even his part in Avengers, where he was the main villain, was no more than 20-30 minutes of screen time. The fake romances AND the parts are getting smaller.
As for what he's going through, hard to say if it's personal or career related. Those two are so closely connected for him (whoring out his personal life to better his career). Whatever it is, it must be rough going because, to paraphrase the kind words of my mother when she first saw me after giving birth, he looks like shit. In my opinion, that suggests neither of those two areas of his life are in good shape right now.
>>622 It will officially be a year tomorrow, right? The uncomfortable beach pics heard round the world. A day that will live in fandom infamy. Maybe that is what has him so down in the dumps. When you're in the moment and even just afterwards, it passes in a flash. It was a rollercoaster from the outside, heaven knows what a full press fake relationship is like from the inside! But a year's time provides a person with greater and clearer perspective. It won't be a good anniversary: no Bond, diminished respect and boundaries from the media, a smaller fanbase, the spectre of Tayto hanging over him 4eva, no job announcements, Labour didn't win (even though they're acting like they did). An optimist would argue some of those points; a realist wouldn't.
Maybe Tom could make his Broadway debut in the brand new King Kong Musical in the fall of 2018?! He should not do this. I am kidding. But thi show is sadly happening. The story is based on the original novel. The score is composed by Marius de Vries (a contributor to the films La La Land, Moulin Rouge and Romeo + Juliet) with songs by Eddie Perfect, composer and lyricist of the Broadway-bound Beetlejuice and Strictly Ballroom The Musical. Why do we need this at all?
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/king-kong-musical-bow-broadway-fall-2018-1004595
>>623 Ha ha ouch, your mother - though the newborn state doesn't show anyone at his or her best! And in fairness, neither did those pap photos; everyone in them was pretty darn pale. But he did look a little unkempt.
Yup, it's the anniversary of the Snogging Seen 'Round the World. Be interesting to see which if any gossip sites bring that up. One bit of good news is that none of them bothered to concoct a story this time about these coffee-run pics ("Tom Still Pines for Taylor! Distressed that New BF is Cast in Mary Q-of-S Film!").
Some of the fan blogs are really reaching and suggesting that he may on the bench because he's been asked to keep his schedule clear so he can film Bond in 2018.
>>624 Why indeed? Especially when the first thing that jumped to mind was Kong tap dancing and moan-singing like the Monster in Young Frankenstein!
>>608 How long was the HiddlesDrought of 2013? (It's been just about 8 months since he was announced for Early Man back in mid-October.)
>>619 Hiya! I still stop by every now and then. I tried to wean myself off and also life got in the way (moving house and ill, elderly parents etc).
I hope you're all well.
From a soon to no longer be N8Anon but a permanently TR13Anon. (Yes folks, I've quit the big city and run away to the seaside).
>>626 I don't think there were any announcements from the beginning of 2013, through the middle of the year. Then, the surprise appearance at SDCC as Loki, which kicked off the Thor 2 promo tour. Coriolaunus was then announced, shortly before he started rehearsals; and then CP, HR, and ISTL were announced in short succession, about 2 months apart from each other.
>>628 Thanks. So this announcements drought has been longer.
>>630 See if this one works. Make sure to add in Twitter before her handle.
SiansUniverse/status/860198017550438405
In case it doesn't work for some reason, the tweet is from May 4th this year. It's Sian tweeting at Susannah saying "About to be reunited with my long-lost LA wife. Forgive me if @Misssusannahf fails to survive the bone crushing embrace coming her way 🤓💕😘💜" and Susannah replying, "oh I survived! Just!! Such a treat.Pjs, cats and curry. We live hard. We live fast. ❤️💞👌🏼😍".
Guess they are super besties now or maybe they always were who knows. Also just noticed how much she retweets Lena Dunham...ugh ew
>>631 By she I mean Sian. Lena D seems to ber feminist idol and just...I'm hugely anti-Lena Dunham for obvious reasons so Miss Sian earns a huge side eye from me.
No sign of Tom at the the press night of Andrew Scott's Hamlet at the Pinter Theatre, with Jessica Brown-Findlay as Ophelia. Martin Freeman was there, as well as many Downton alums. Wonder if Tom will turn up at a performance during the run?
>>627 Hello! I envy you. I loved the big city in my 20s. In my 30s and with a little one tearing around an apartment, I'd like a backyard. I don't like having to take him to a bit of grass! It helps that Cornwall is just so lovely. Hope the move went well or goes well and that everything with your parents goes well too.
>>625 She said that about me after I gave birth. To be fair, she was being honest. I looked like I'd just been rescued from a cult. But she did also warn me not to take pics of the new arrival for at least a week because he'd look less alien like then. Explains why the first pic of me is from two weeks old - nothing earlier!
Bond, huh? Sure. Yeah. Yep. That's the reason. If we could monetize the narcotic effect of fan girl delusion, we'd be rich as Croesus. I guess it's possible but I also think that if he had Bond in the bag, those pap shots would be of him smiling, with a permanent semi, actually floating down the sidewalk. That doesn't look like a man who's landed a huge franchise.
>>624 Lord save us. Is he that desperate? Is anyone? Why?
I can't seem to find the post here to link to, but someone here within the past month noted that TH had changed his Twitter profile and cover pics. I went to look this morning, and it's back to the old pictures.
Unrelated to the above: last night I read a LONG post outlining a lot of old Hollywood blind item gossip that had panned out to be real, where the OP attached names to the stories. Contract relationships to hide sexuality were mentioned but since the post was written in 2012, TH was not mentioned - and that's NOT why I'm posting this.
The surprise was not the stories, but how many people were mentioned as the OP went down the list of gossip issues (Gays! Drugs! Evil (pedophilia)! Mean people! Secrets!). At the end they balanced it by listing the people in Hollywood that were actually nice (Tom Hanks, for example). What struck me was that as Hiddleston was riding high in the 2012-2014 timeframe and now appears on a (hopefully temporary) personal downswing, saved by the capsulized success of TNM and Kong, I wonder how many of these issues he has encountered in the past 2.5 years that have crept up to him and he has consistently resisted, being the Tom Hanks of the younger generation, only to be finally forced or pushed or strongly-suggested or volunteered into the HS relationship for the sake of boosting his career (no matter how much he really was interested in her as a person). And having failed on a large, public scale to presumably boost his chances for Bond and to have a high profile relationship. (It's been a year and I'm still, like, WHY MAN WHY??!!)
He's certainly a large talent with huge potential and a highly lauded career ahead of him. There is something missing though, like the last piece of the pie, that would zoom him up the ladder the way Tom Hardy or Cumberbatch did. What is that? Less people pleasing has got to be part of that. He's taken some risks in casting (HR especially) but I think he needs to get out from under the Loki/Disney contract so he can break away from that image pigeonhole. More character bit parts in movies. Less self-consciousness about his appearance - men can get away with that but he seems to be more vain that his two peers I just mentioned.
A lot of ramblng, been meaning to write something like this for a long time and reading that article last night reminded me that he is probably going through a disillusionment phase, having probably been told from the beginning that he could get through Hollywood being the kind, good person he is, ride Branaugh's coattails and make a big, but Hollyweird is a cesspool and the PR machine must be fed.
You may want to read the article so here it is. It is translated from Russian by Google, and written in Russian by someone for whom Russian is not their first language, so some of the phrasing is off
- for example, Cameron Diaz did not want someone to shoot her armpits, it was probably 'shave'. But you will get most of it.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.spletnik.ru/blogs/pro_zvezd/51585_za_kulisami_gollivuda/comments/3#comments
Lots of rumor talk about TH being attached to this movie, even though it is not confirmed - repeat - not confirmed, just a rumor:
(insert the Twitter dot com first, then)
/Schiphol76/status/876844697905491969
Here's an official announcement about the movie without mention of actors:
http://deadline.com/2016/10/fox-international-productions-silent-night-script-james-luckard-white-horse-pictures-serial-killer-war-thriller-1201835745/
>>635 Let's hope none of the blind items about TH eventually prove true, because there are a few doozies (including that he's not as nice as all that).
I've been thinking about the same thing (his current career ceiling) recently and don't have any good answers. To be fair, BC and T Hardy (and Fassbender) are a few years older than Tom and therefore have a slight head start. Of the four of them, I think BC is the one who's made it farthest up the ladder, and I think that was probably due to Sherlock. He had a showy role, well-suited to him, that was being broadcast for multiple years, without taking up so much of his time that he couldn't do other major projects. That kept him in the public's consciousness and the industry's eye. TNM might do that for Tom if they can bring off a 2nd season.
Another problem for him may be that he happens to be in the same pool as a number of very good actors about his age and of a similar type (there's also Eddie Redmayne). So when a strong project comes along, he has a lot of serious competition. I don't remember, for example, that Branagh had the same sort of "pack" to contend with.
>>636 Now this could be the kind of project - that with the right director, excellent final script, and right co-star - that could give Tom a big career boost. But yes, it's a rumor now.
>>637 He's been spoiled somewhat, getting several choice roles without auditioning. I don't know how common that is, but what an ego booster. I guess creating your own project (TNM) is a way to push that forward as one's acting career matures.
If he's going head-to-head with his contemporaries, why does he lose out when he does? There's not much transparency into auditions; now there's gossip I'd like to see!
>>637 Which blinds are you referring to? I've seen the ones dealing with his love life, all those affairs with Mia and cheating on Olsen then cheating on Taylor with Olsen, etc etc. Are these blinds talking about him professionally/ how he is as a person? What do they say?
>>640 I'll try to pull together some links tomorrow. Various trash about how he comes off in person.
>>641 I'm interested too Heynon, what's out there that's plausible beyond the usual 'X yelled at an assistant on set' or 'X is secretly gay' blind items.
>>639 Based on Google results, a lot of people also have asked if film stars have to audition or not. The only non-crowd-sourced answer I found was this - that it's more likely to be a meeting with the director: http://www.eonline.com/news/81499/do-big-stars-have-to-audition-for-movies
It would be fascinating to know why some actors were chosen over him. What is it about Fassy that made him the first choice for Adam? Or Cumberbatch for CP - especially since Del Toro rewrote the part for Tom when he took it over?
>>644 I have no evidence to support this, but I think that it's just about an actor's current visibility in the industry, and who you know in the industry. Cumberbatch is Sherlock across the globe on tv, plus he was coming off of the Oscar winning 12 years a Slave and his casting/performance in The Imitation Game. Fassy was golden globe nominated for Shame, he had a wicked turn in the period piece A Dangerous Method playing Carl Jung, and he had at least been cast as Magneto. Charlie Hunam is not a period actor at all IMO, and he was badly miscast in CP, but he knew del Toro from filming Pacific Rim and he is kind of visible on tv from years starring on Sons of Anarchy. I think that the producers just go down a list of who they perceive as being visible to audiences and who therefore might be bankable, theoretically. Teen boys identify Tom the second they see him onscreen b/c of Loki, but they're not going to follow their favorite villain into other genres of film, sadly. Even die hard TH fans don't go out to the theatre to all of his films. I think that this is all BS, b/c only Leo DiCaprio, and D Washington can open a movie guaranteed. Everyone else is hit and miss, even J Lawrence. TH is a fave of mine, but some think that Fassy had more natural approach as an actor onscreen, and that Tom is more calculated, analytical, and theatrical, and therefore better suited to stage work, at present.
Tom still seems to be in London recording audio for Early Man. He mentioned in a video interview following the story that he was taking a break from acting, that all of the rest of 2017 was already booked in his calendar. Maybe he just meant Early Man recording and IW and Thor 3 re shoots?
>>636 Someone mentioned that the Silent Night film could be the neo noir thriller that Tom was heard discussing in the park with his manager.
Twitter link
/ernyberny/status/878266969677373441
>>646 The theories on the extremely clever one's Tumblr are that he's probably been shooting IW as well as finishing up EM. Those, coupled with the D23 and/or SDCC cons, and T:R publicity, could theoretically fill up most of his calendar. Especially if Loki is also in Avengers 4, which starts shooting later this summer. But for all we really know, he could be hiding out and working on the Next Great British Screenplay.
>>647 Don't forget about the UNICEF documentary. The rumors of him and Louise keep popping up, though without evidence.
>>648 I read somewhere the doc got taken down from the production company's website. Anybody know about this?
The Louise rumors, I've only seen on Town Bike and they're all based on Tom bringing her and some other Unicef buddies to an awards show months ago. Like you said, without evidence, but that's Town Bike for ya. eye roll
>>647 We mustn't forget the other part of her name - crazy. I'm sure she has a chart for his beard growth but doesn't seem to have consulted it. As Anon said, that beard didn't show up in a weekend. He needs a month or more for a beard that long and scruffy. So he's not just come off of filming unless Loki now has a ginger beard. We also mustn't forget her track record. Her theory about that voyeur movie - strike. Her theory about the London play - strike. Didn't she also believe Tayto was real? Strike. She'd be walking back to the dugout in baseball. And that's just off the top of my head about what filtered over here. I'm sure there's more damning evidence.
My theory: he's been in London, not calling the paps (so no pics), trying to get work and giving up on his personal appearance.
>>649 Did we ever have confirmation that he was actually working on this documentary? I can't remember. If it's come off the boil it could be because of his I saved Sudan and MSF with my Bond audition series foot in mouth moment. They may want some time to pass so that memory of that can fade.
Lovely weekends to everyone.
>>650 Quite.
I think the other points to bear in mind are:
A) how long would doing a voiceover actually take? He has already surely done the majority of the work on EM last year when it was announced and he was photographed in the studio (and let us not forget that Eddie Redmayne was playing a larger role). This recent work must be pickups, and that surely cannot take more than a few days. It can't possibly account for months of absencd.
B) Likewise SDCC/other promotion. This takes days, not months, and if he had another work commitment he wouldn't do much promo. They don't make you not take on work to do promo. The only reason he did so much TTDW promo was because he again happened to be unemployed.
C) As regards IW: maybe for a while. But: beard. And also: if he had been filming for any length of time he would have been spotted at the airport, on set or elsewhere.
D) I think he did do the SS documentary because he was photographed out there last year, and there was I think confirmation of the project on the production company's website. Something odd has happened there. A friend of mine used to work in documentary films and believe me they do not take that long to make and edit. You can film in January and have broadcast by May/June - and that's the time frame for a series of 3 or 4 one hour shows. For a single show, you could film and do all your
post production in 12 weeks or less.
>>648, >>649, >>650, >>651 I deliberately left the documentary off the Tumblr theory list because I agree with Anon that something is odd there. There were screen caps of the doc being listed on the production co's site recently, then the listing was removed. And he hasn't done anything publicly for UNICEF/SS, not even a tweet about recent news, except for a short vid for UNICEF Canada. I think Anon. may well be right that the doc (and anything publicly associating him in the UK or US with SS work) has been put on hold until it's less likely that he'll draw mockery still for his GG speech.
>>650, >>651 Indeed. The beard did rather toss a spanner into the IW theory works. (Though I think Marvel might have managed to sneak him around long enough for a cameo, especially if it were shot in the UK.) But I don't follow Marvel's methodology - so are they more likely to want to get their money's worth out of his contract and use him for every movie possible? Or would they just let it run out without having had him in 6 films? The two Avengers movies are supposed to wrap up this phase, and CH will have made all his contracted films, so I don't know if they'd carry over Loki to the next phase.
And I agree that EM voice work cannot have taken up all his time these months, especially for a supporting role! Nor will promo really account for much of his calendar - he came back to the UK for several chunks of time even during the KSI tours, and he may have less of a role to play this time if Marvel wants to keep the focus on Taika and Thor.
The crazy intelligent one seems to be veering between hopelessness (after the "is his career over?" article that came out on the Snogging anniversary), and over-excitement (online KSI video = new gifs!).
Something did cause him to cancel the Cannes creativity thing and the Cambridge Union appearance. Maybe he's finally getting his kitchen redone? While reading every available script with a role he could possibly play?
>>653 I'd forgotten about the Cambridge Union gig. Easter term (i.e. summer term) finished about 10 days ago. So that is definitely not happening. Hum. That could have been fitted in around his existing commitments. He must have cancelled it. i suppose he didn't want to shave and put on a suit in order to take questions about new projects (bound to come up) which he doesn't have. Remember a few months ago he was a bit snappy about how his timetable was full this year, contrary to what he had previously said about taking a loooong break?
>>654 That's a good point about wanting to avoid questions about new projects. Also, I think he was supposed to speak there about his UNICEF work. So if something's happened and the doc has been put on hold, it makes sense that he'd cancel this.
I remember at the KSI London premiere, he did walk back his "taking a long break" statement - "things to finish up, and lots cooking that I can't tell you about." Whatever's cooking seems to be on very low heat, since that was in March!
>>655 He did - and he said it again at the awards ceremony at the Roundhouse (I forget which one this was, but it was the one he took all the UNICEF peeps to). There had been a newspaper article after his last comments, saying "TH says he will take a long period off" or some such - which was BTW a pretty accurate representation of what he had said - and he must have panicked. At the Roundhouse event he said that "my diary is full" or some such.
He feels like he has to lie when he just wants to take a long break. Why? Is there that much of a stigma against a several-month break in Hollywood? Looks to me like actors do it all the time and he well deserved it after working straight through since late 2013.
This was the article which caused him to freak out: http://entertainment.inquirer.net/216210/tom-hiddleston-takes-break
It was then picked up by the Daily Mail which implied he was taking much of 2017 off (no lies there by the looks of things!).
However something we have learned from the last year is that when TH ' slips are moving while he is talking to the press, he is lying. For example, about smoking, about what he previously said about TR being Loki's last outing, and many other examples both big and small.
As to why: I think it started as a mixture of things: him being super controlling about his image/career and wanting to say the "right" thing, having on occasion let slip things he shouldn't and having to row it back, and being a bit political about things we shouldn't necessarily expect him to tell the truth about, even though he appeared to be very open (whether he has a GF). What it has become (and I see this a lot as a lawyer) is lying as a habit, when it isn't necessary.
>>658 You're right. After TS, maybe it all caught up with him and rattled him. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing.
>>659 I'll say.
If - as I personally have come to believe - the whole thing was a fake dreamed up for profile-raising purposes, then the pressure of living that cognitive dissonance in the spotlight would be more than the sanest person could endure.
And TH isn't the sanest person, not by a long chalk. I sense he has always been a fragile soul - quite vain, quite needy of approval from various sources, and deriving a lot of self-worth from externals such as work. The last year - and the reaction to it in the press, for whom he was formerly the golden boy - must have placed a tremendous strain on him.
>>657, >>658 I don't think there's a stigma for a few months' break, but at least two of the articles said he'd be taking off most or all of 2017. And a year-long break would not help an ambitious actor at this point in his career, especially one who has such stiff competition as we discussed above.
In looking back at the articles about his break, they all seem to be based on the joint press conference in LA for KSI. There was never any video of that, so in fairness, we don't know his exact words. The Philipine paper describes him explaining "why he had not been working for the past few months," which the DM turned into "most of 2017" and an Aussie site into "taking a year off in 2017." But the latter two also attributed the break to the aftermath of the Tayto breakup, and that had to sting.
>>658, >>660 From the examples I've seen, it feels as though his relationship with the truth started out as a tendency to exaggerate. Then it moved to what he probably excused as fibs or little white lies, done for good reasons ("some things are sacred").
But even if you believe that last summer's relationship was real (questionable), it still would have caused massive cognitive dissonance for him. For someone who has always claimed to be honest and authentic in what he shares in public to be slammed as a fake from every side had to have been traumatic -- and the GQ article brought it all up again rather than laying it to rest. (And if he was lying through his teeth in that interview, all the worse for him psychologically.)
"Fragile soul" is a good description. (I want to come back to the vanity, but this is enough for tonight.)
>>660 Yes, definitely vain as I mentioned in >>635 and I think that plays a huge part in how he acts to position himself apart from his peers. The press grew tired of it last summer and they tore down the same person they built up for years.
>>662 the fandom is so divided over whether Taffy's interview hurt or helped. I winced over the vulnerability and went back and forth over it. Now that we know she was "dating" the new guy, I look at it somewhat pitifully. Ugh.
>>663 I stopped paying attention to Taffy after her 15 mins of fame. Was something going on with her that might have affected how she wrote the GQ article?
Yes to all above. I'd wager the cancellation of Cannes and the Camb. gig were all about avoidance. Not only to avoid questions about Unicef and future plans (or a lack thereof) but also just to stay out of the limelight as TS's new 'relationship' was blossoming into full contract. And he'd be wise to keep his head down waaaaay past July 4. I don't know if the new boyfriend will be at her party (she's playing a more subtle game) but even if he isn't, there will be comparisons to last year. As a reminder, last year TH made the common first-aid mistake of asking for a shirt instead of a band-aid to cover a scratch. We've all done it! The other day I wrapped an entire 'I heart Hubby' sweater around a paper cut.
>>660 Mental health: The good doctor always tells me not to diagnose over the internet, but it's safe to say that TH is Defcon 3 fucked up. Faking his way through three months and on three continents while losing fans, his dignity and golden boy status did nothing to shore up his fragile psyche (as Anon astutely called it). It's like he's in shock. He planned on Tayto bringing him more success. Instead, the opposite happened. I don't think he's doing a very good job processing that unfavorable turnout.
>>658 Lying: Them pants is on FIRE. I've always wanted to make a movie about a journey to an uncharted island. Of course you have. And he breaks my father's cardinal rule regarding lying: he does it in support of himself. If you have to lie, do it to protect someone else and their feelings. His seem to be mostly self-serving lies - big (Tayto) or small (taking a break).
>>663 Well, well, someone has finally benefited from Tayto-related fame. Taffy just landed a staff position with the NY Times Magazine (and will be writing culture features for the paper as well). At least this article restrained its TH/GQ reference to the bolognese recipe: http://wwd.com/business-news/media/new-york-times-adds-feature-writer-taffy-brodesser-akner-to-staff-10933696/
>>>666 Depending on when TS's album drops, he may have to keep his head down all the way to the end of the year and maybe beyond!
Doubt he'd do this, but this "break" would be a perfect time for a spot of therapy.... It will be fascinating to see how he presents himself in interviews once he resurfaces.
Almost any actor lies to cover an extended period between major gigs (usually called being "between engagements"); they only 'fess up well after they're back to work. I don't know if his pronouncements like "I've always wanted...to an uncharted island" are lies or his exaggerations getting a mite out of hand, or a weird disconnect between brain and mouth for such a (book-)smart man. As we've seen, he doesn't do well at speaking off the cuff! Where I think he has lied pretty consistently is about his relationships. And maybe that's how he justified the public presentation of the Tayto show to himself - it was just another kind of dissembling about a "GF."
>>668 Perfect time for hair implants, minor cosmetic procedures, body reshaping, and therapy to recenter.
>>669 It so would be, but if the most recent pap shots are anything to go by he is taking the alternative route of not shaving or having a haircut (those curls were way over the collar at the back), dressing even more like a homeless person than usual, and (probably) eating ice cream out of the tub while sitting on the sofa wailing.
As for the therapy: he's British, so sadly I doubt it. I really think it has its uses provided it doesn't become some weekly crutch for your whole life. Not many Brits share that view, sadly. I think he would most definitely benefit. Starting with mother issues and moving on!
>>669 If he suddenly reemerges with a thick, lustrous hairline I will DIE...from laughter. Nothing like having two 800lbs. gorillas in the room: a fauxmance and follicles risen from the dead like it's Easter!
>>667 Good for her. Anyone with the patience to encounter a narrative hard sell (broken hearts and bolognese) from TH and only return a barely detectable amount of sarcasm deserves a promotion. He used her and GQ, GQ and Taffy used TH. All's fair in fake love and PR.
>>668 I'd say exaggerations are lies. For him, they've become habit because he's dishonest with the insignificant and the significant.
OT: Is the slide up at Showmance Manor? Has the wife-beater of shame been freshly pressed for its next victim...occupant.
>>666>>668>>671 It is unusual how much he lies about things that don't need to be lied about. What is the point of him being so unnecessarily cloak and dagger about his girlfriends and relationships when he had already been public with Susannah? He encouraged the drama himself by playing the whole am I single or not game before Tayto and then going completely overboard with her, regardless of whether him and Swift were real or not. Just have a normal attitude about your private life, and go out with whoever you want. I've always found this approach of his to the PR aspect of his dating life really odd and unnecessary.
He says he wants to be an actor but I don't think he understands the difference between being an actor and being a celebrity. He seems to either prefer the celebrity element or think that being a celebrity will make him a better actor.
>>669 >>671 How could I forget the 4th of July at Showmance Manor? No wonder he's laying super low, the anniversorry of the infamous t-shirt is upon us.
Not only is the press talking about an upcoming party, the showed the equaly infamous Ryan Reynolds WTF look picture of the then-happy couple from last year:
http://time.com/4833926/taylor-swift-july-4th-2017-friends/
*they showed
I just watched Angels in America at the National Theatre (first revival in the U.K. since the original staging). I wondered more than once why TH isn't looking for something like the role of Prior Walter. Back to the stage for a splashy role in a high quality ensemble piece. The whole run (in the Lyttleton Theatre, which is huge) sold out within weeks of going on sale. Great reviews. Why isn't he doing stuff like this?
>>675 I can't wait to see that production of AIM. Sadly, I can't see Tom wanting to be in AIM b/c amazing actors like Garfield, Lane and Russell Tovey are not trying to be romantic matinee idol Hollywood leading men. They just love great material. But for better or worse, Tom seems focused on climbing the Hollywood totem pole, esp. after last summer, since there are some who would think that joining an ensemble theater piece would look like he couldn't get parts in LA. With his Loki and TNM visibility and his RADA training and his Olivier Award, Tom could probably lead the West End production of his choice, or guest for a show with the RSC, or for a one of the plays with Branagh's theater comapany. I think if Tom only did complex theater roles for a couple of years, he would win back the critics and clear the PR showmance out of our minds, kind of like how Gemma Artherton established herself as being a consistent thespian after all of those action movies that kind of flopped. But Tom wants his Last King of Scotland film, like James Mcavoy, or Imitation Game Oscar or Theory of Everything nod like Cumberbatch or Redmayne. Many of the young Hollywood actors are not that disciplined or versatile, so why shouldn't he beat them for parts? Maybe he could produce and star in another television movie, like Cumberbatch is doing for Showtime with the Patrick Melrose novels adaptation? I could see him in a period piece for HBO, like Parade's End. Maybe a Shakespearean adaptation for HBO? Hamlet at last? Or Much Ado for a blast?
Tom sighting in NYC drinking coffee? Meetings to discuss a new project? Fingers and toes crossed.
https://www.facebook.com/gabriel.noble.75/posts/10158910448310153
>>677 Maybe he is en route to RI for Taymerica.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
>>678 probably headed to the official ceremony to hand over the TS boyfriend uniform and paraphernalia to the next guy.
>>678, >>679 He probably has his fingers and toes crossed that the press won't re-run the t-shirt photos. Good luck with that if she does stage the shindig this year.
>>675, >>676 As much as he talks about doing more theatre, I just get the sense that he sees it as something to go back to after he's gotten the kinds of starring movie roles that he wants. And I agree that his going back to it right now could get some articles about the state of his film career after last summer, unless it were for a knockout role in a major production.
>>672 I suspect that the "actor? celebrity?" difference is one of the many things in his life about which he's confused.
>>676 The challenges for him may be that he's not having to beat other HW actors for the juicy roles in biopics and the like; there, he's competing with his versatile and disciplined British peers. Then for more HW-style starring roles, he doesn't really fit the current popular types. And when he does try to fit into a HW type a la KSI, he ends up in a role that really anyone could have played just as adequately.
>>670 Mother issues? Of course this is a diagnosis over the Internet, but I would have said father ones. How much do we think TH's drive to become a HW leading man has to do with proving that not only can he make a living at acting, he can become publicly very, very successful at it?
Also, I suspect the rest of Tom's background helps make him so set on achieving fame - anything less from an Eton/Cambridge grad might make him seem like a failure when compared with his schoolmates.
>>672 I wonder if the odd ways he's talked about relationships/ being single reflects some mental distinction on his part as to what constitutes a real girlfriend. He may have been public with Susannah because he considered that to be a real relationship. The oddness about JA and EO may have been because they were just friends with benefits, not proper GFs, so he might still have thought of himself as single.
Going so overboard with TS? Either he was being a major fool for love, or he was acting the role of the perfect BF.
>>681 His father strikes me as the only normal one in that family. Pulled himself up,from nothing, strong work ethic, not interested in the shallower side of what his son does (never papped, very rarely at premieres, definitely not on board with Tayto). He was sceptical about acting being a sensible career for his clever and educated son - sounds like sensible advice to me. But he has also been accepting for many years from what TH says. And NB if he is washed up at 36 then Daddy's advice sounds quite sensible in retrospect!
His mother, however.....I recall TH telling a story about how he would go home and they would sit together and talk about his career and how they would both cry for hours because he had achieved so much. That really does not sound normal to me.
As for her attitude to Tayto. I believe someone on here mentioned a small article in the local news about how she went to the local butchers some days before they arrived and bragged that she needed the best fillet steak for her son's new GF. And that first day they met, she had had her hair done specially (see the following day's pics for contrast - Anon. drew that to our attention). So she knew in advance and she was supportive of that whole shit show AND she thought it gave her bragging rights. Someone who gets a blow out and grins like a Cheshire cat and poses outside her home when there is no call to do so, wants to be photographed. At the very least she is living vicariously through his fame, which I wouldn't call wholly healthy. At worst: why didn't she tell him that this was mad? Why did she encourage it? Why, oh why oh why did she not say, let's leave my 7 year old granddaughter out of it?
So that's why I say mother issues.
>>681 I meant to comment on the OE thing. I know a lot of Old Etonians. There are I think 7 in my workplace, of about 60 barristers. They are to a man polished, elegant, well spoken, perfect English gentlemen. They exude empathy and have been taught to listen, to be polite and to respect the views of others (which makes them such good barristers - clients understandably love this) (and politicians - Cameron exuded empathy and convinced everyone he was somehow ordinary Dave chillaxing with a box set, which could not have been further from the truth).
But they are also by and large incredibly laid back. These men have been told from age 13 that they are the masters of the universe (and many of them are, societally, economically and intellectually). They know where they are, and it's at the top. As such they are rarely strivers. That feeling one gets with TH - that he absolutely busts a gut to do everything, from career advancement to being a great gentleman - is not a classic OE thing at all, in my experience. They make it look effortless.
>>683 I agree. Tom's father may be a bit stern and overly critical, but that's a lot better than supporting your adult child as they make a poorly calibrated decision to lie to the general public because you're enchanted by Hollywood lights. There is no reason why a family should participate in an actor's fake relationship unless maybe it's some kind of a Hail Mary play to stop him from being outed for his sexuality, right before he lands the part of a lifetime. I was truly confused and concerned as to why Tom's young niece was there. But since her mother is a professional journalist and she allowed it, and it's not as if the press have stalked any of Tom's family since last summer, maybe I was overreacting...but Tom looked seriously angry in those beach photos with his hands jammed into his pockets. He looked to be over the entire situation when he was making faces at his cell phone over lunch in Rome.
>>682 Yep, SF was a true gf. With JA he was FWB, so he was socially single to the public, but sexually monogamous-ish since he was doing Coriolanus in London. I think that EO was just a PR move to get press for ISTL. And Tom immediately assumed that partnering with TS would be equally simple. Just take a few pics, leak to the tabloids for a few months, and even though you and the girl are on different continents for half of a year, people assume it's a real relationship and gossip about you while you're off filming your movie due to only 3 pics. Oops. I kind of feel badly that people bought the EO articles, b/c it emboldened TH to continue his behavior.
>>683 Thank you, Anon, for saying a lot of what I was thinking last summer.
"definitely not on board with Tayto" - I suspected as much and wish I could have been a fly on the wall but the screaming would have scared the hell out of me.
"His mother, however..." - whoa, really? If so they are co-dependent, emotionally entangled. Unhealthy.
"As for her attitude to..." O_O wow.
>>686 By not on board with Tayto I just mean not willing to be photographed "meeting" her. Though I would also have liked to be a fly on the wall after the press coverage it generated.
I looked for that interview where TH talked about sitting with his mum and crying. Totally buried in google under pages and pages of "Tom's mum met Taylor" spam and now unfindable. I know I didn't dream it. It was so remarkable that I couldn't possibly forget!
"2016 was a dumpster fire, but that image is still one of the greatest moments in gossip history."
>>677 This is possible but not likely. Given that her party is happening, I'd put my money on him hunkering down (in the fetal position) in his house or at his mother's. He doesn't want to give the press any reason to >>680 rerun those pics by making an appearance. I'm out of the city for the holiday so I can't wander the streets looking for him to confirm but I have a feeling Mr. Barista maybe wanted to grab some attention for his coffeehouse. Bored at work?
>>676 Seconded. He does that overly enthusiastic thing (lying) about wanting to return to the stage, do more Shakespeare, yada, yada, yada. What he really wants is to be a star in Hollywood. In 2014/15 he could've walked into most theatre productions in London and some on Broadway. He decided to do a Kong film...without a script...having met JVR. That says he wants celebrity, not a thespian's life.
Yes to everything said about mummy. The other fact that makes me side eye that relationship: wasn't she at the High Rise premiere? Am I remembering that correctly? That is not the sort of film you want your mother to see. That's weird.
>>681 However I get what Heynon is saying. I can see early 20s TH thinking that his skeptical father was standing in the way of his big dream when he criticized his decision to act. I can see that causing strife in their relationship. That seems to have been ironed out. After Tayto they probably have all new issues!
I won't comment on his relationship issues. Now that is a dumpster fire.
Tom just spotted at RADA, so we might get Wimbledon after all? On twitter at /marcozall/status/881855689307680768
Good discussions!
>>683, >>689 Do you think that even though his father has accepted his career choice, TH could still feel a need to be as successful as possible in order to live up to some unspoken expectations? His father worked his way up from nothing to running a company (in the U.S., he'd be a CEO), so Tom might not feel that being a B-list actor is enough of an accomplishment.
>>683, >>685, >>687, >>689 I did not know those stories about his mum (especially the crying one - wow). Some of the pre-Tayto anecdotes, one could interpret as a normal reaction of a mom who's just delighted that her 35-year old son finally has a GF he can bring home to mother. But the family pap stroll was "off" in a major way -- there's such a thing as being too supportive (enabling, really) of a family member.
I suspect those pap strolls were what started to clue in the clueless Tom that the relationship might not be quite what he signed up for (figuratively or literally). There are pictures from before the first one in which he has his niece on his back but he looks furious.
>>684 Thanks for the insight into Old Etonians. I wonder if the difference we see with Tom busting his gut could be because he feels he isn't truly a master of his universe yet -- he still has a way to go to be at the top of his profession. Also, he may want us to see his efforts due to the current backlash against actors with privileged backgrounds. And acting really is a tough profession in which to succeed.
>>689 Yes Anon. , his mum was at the London High Rise premiere, along with his younger sister. On one hand, wasn't he a little shy around them? On the other hand I guess he's not embarrassed about having (simulated) sex on screen, or showing his near-naked body. It is his mother after all, plus he was running around the set of 'Unrelated' naked in the pool scene while his sister sat on the patio nearby.
Gosh. The DM printed so many pics of last year's July 4th bash with Tom in the tank, b/c TS didn't hold the party on the date, this year. Ridiculous. I really hope that Tom struts into the Men's Wimbledon semi final and final matches like he owns the world, just like the way Jonathan Pine strolled back into his former place of employment in TNM.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4665390/Taylor-Swift-skips-annual-Fourth-July-party-RI.html
Is TH in Atlanta for Thor 3 reshoots?
Twitter.com
atlantafilming/status/882332718381625344
>>694 Just when you thought TS couldn't find a new way to rub Tom's nose in it:....
>>695 That seems to be the general interpretation of that tweet. If so, that's good. Anything that will keep him busy for this week and the next few Tay-niversaries
>>694 As fine as TH/Pine looked on that stroll, that was one of my suspend-belief moment with TNM. Yes, it's been five years since he worked there - but no one remembers a 6'2" strawberry blonde??
Twitter is saying that Loki is in the Infinity War trailer...(shown at D23 today)
