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#2 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1250275007/
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#11 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1367260033/
#11.5 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1367260120/
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fat thread edition
Let's make pizza
> when iOS-chan decides that the time for good faith is over and now it's time to break out the "owning the libs" personality
You can't argue with shitty nazis in good faith, that's why they need to fuck off.
"...that tree is far away..."
oh its an actual place
bring back compiz firey cubes ubuntu video tutorials to youtube
>>473
Yeah, I'm totally a nazi even though I'm white and Mexican. In another thread, people were calling me "beaner" but apparently I'm also a nazi too, according to morons like you.
Instead of trying to understand my perspective, you're just going to dismiss me and use incorrect labels.
>>476
I miss those days. Spinnan cubez. I used to use Compiz Fusion in OpenSUSE back in the day. Instead of a cube, I actually had it set up as a sphere, or maybe it was a cylinder. I don't really remember. But there was a skybox, and there were glxgears and dolphins in the center when you went to switch between virtual desktops. And fire particle animations when you minimized a window. And wobbly physics for when you moved a window, making it look like it was made of jello.
What a waste of battery life.
>>478
Maybe asceticism isn't the right word, but just general anti-hedonism. Too many people these days just live for pleasure. There's more to life than bread and circus.
I don't like the following things:
•People who don't go to the gym -- you don't have to be in perfect shape, but you have to at least try to improve yourself
•People who don't read books, or only read shitty books, like scifi, fantasy, romance, etc. rather than books about ideology, history, religion, or other important issues. There is a big difference between someone who reads Chomsky/Nietzsche/Linkola/etc and someone who reads Harry Potter or Ready Player One. Some books make you think, others are just useless ways to pass the time.
•People who enjoy TV, movies, video games, etc.
•People who constantly talk about how "bored" they are, and think being entertained is the only important thing in life
•People who don't do anything productive in their time off work/school
•Extreme wealth is corrupting, because then it changes how you live your life. You can have a mansion, sports car, golden chandeliers, fancy silverware, etc. None of that shit really matters. It's just materialistic garbage. Materialism and excess wealth are bad.
•Not having a sense of purpose in life and just floating around doing nothing in particular
•Hyper-sexuality, fueled by modern media, Tinder, etc.
•People who consume, but don't create. People who watch movies, eat comfort food, etc. but won't write something, won't program something, won't paint something, won't make things on their own. It's very liberating to make things.
You don't have to be 100% pure with asceticism, but being overly-indulgent is really bad. Modern western culture is extremely indulgent.
Here's an example of someone I know in real life: he's my age and he calls himself a gamer and a stoner. He plays games because it's fun and entertaining to him. He smokes weed to feel good. He defines his entire identity around self-absorbed pleasure-seeking. What a useless existence.
I'm somewhat hypocritical in the sense that I drink. I think alcohol is indulgent/hedonistic, so it's something I need to be aware of. But that doesn't change the way I feel about it. It doesn't make what I say invalid. You can be aware of a problem instead of pretending that everything you do is perfect. I feel like liberals nowadays are too keen on trying to accept all of their problems instead of working on them. Like fat acceptance, LGBT acceptance, etc -- why not try to work on your problems instead of giving up and forcing everyone to tolerate them?
I just spent ~4 hours in traffic while buying a toaster oven, a loaf of bread, and a hunk of cheese. This snack I am about to eat had better be fucking incredible.
>>480
4 hours?! How? I live a couple minutes away from grocery stores.
>>481
So do I. The place with a deal on toaster ovens was 20 miles in the opposite direction, though, and for most of the highway I didn't get out of second gear. I was slightly smarter with my road choice on the way back, but by then it was rush hour.
>>482
It's just okay. I got to the grocery store so late that all the newly baked bread was gone, so this loaf is a bit stale. Maybe I should moisten it a little.
On the plus side, I am now the proud owner of a semi-industrial toaster oven that uses so much wattage that it probably violates my lease every time I turn it on.
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
>>479
...so you're a right-wing sjw, even use most of their same terminology and talking points, but your main problem with your left-wing counterparts isn't that they want to legislate morality and use it as a means to control and pacify people but rather that you disagree with their specific morality? Yeah, fuck right off. You'll not get one single more attempt at good faith engagement from me.
>>485
The apartment complex I'm at doesn't take packages; I didn't know it was going to be this much hassle when I left; the deal I got was for in-store pickup only...
Seriously, this sort of thing is why I am >>394 . I am a mostly normal, boring individual. If there's a part of the story which I've left out, and which you can't reconstruct by guessing "why would a mostly normal, boring individual do this?", then it's probably not important.
2008: hah, this smartphone thing will never catch on. imagine the day when your phone of all things can get malware on it?
2018: ukrainian hackers got su on my smart toaster and in the process of using it to mine bitcoin, burnt my house down
>>486
Right wing? Yeah, sure. I guess. But not a typical neocon who only cares about tax rates and pretending that climate change is a myth. Those kinds of "right wing" politicians are useless and nothing like my views. SJW? Hell no. Maybe by SJW, you simply mean someone with strong convictions. Then sure, I guess by that definition, I am. But if you mean in terms of actual social justice and gender stuff, no way. I am diametrically opposed to that kind of ideology.
To call me a right-wing SJW really demonstrates your inability to understand what I'm saying. It's an easy way for you to be dismissive without having to think very hard about it.
>legislate morality
Legalizing and normalizing degeneracy is not "legislating morality." You're so far down the leftist rabbit hole that you don't even see how immoral your values are.
Despite being raised by and around degenerates, I've come to accept that traditional Christian values are great. with a couple twists, of course. And not that soft beta Christian "we accept everybody" brand of garbage either.
>use it as a means to control and pacify people
I'll never understand the "pacify people" argument. Are you saying people are so unstable that they need legal weed to stop themselves from doing bad? If people have lives full of meaning, they won't need pacifism. They will have purpose. A lot of the hedonistic things people do nowadays is sort of like a negative coping mechanism for dealing with how awful modern life is. How about we try and correct that and make life worth living instead of having to use a band-aid feel-good thing on top of a flawed society?
>you disagree with their specific morality
Moral relativism is a load of shit. Things are either moral or immoral. Moral absolutism. None of this humanist, secular, appeal-to-moderation, "everyone is right in their own way despite contradicting each other" logical fallacy. If I say 2+2=4 and someone else says 2+2=6, then fence-sitters would claim it's in between, so surely it must be 2+2=5. Or some people, who are afraid to take a stance, would say it's both 2+2=4 AND 2+2=6 simultaneously, because they're afraid to offend people. In reality, some people are objectively right, and some people are objectively wrong. Modern liberalism is immoral, plain and simple.
Just because something is normalized does not mean it's right. I could bring up the Galileo example again, or plenty of other things too. Even capitalism, pollution, consumerism, materialism, and mass media are normalized despite being terrible. Liberals think liberalism must be right because it's popular. Lots of popular things are awful.
People are rioting. People are extremely angry on social media. Drug usage and suicide rates are pretty high. You want to tell me that liberal America is just fine the way it is? Maybe you're from a different country, I don't know. But no matter where you are, I'm sure even you are able to see some of the problems with modern living.
>good faith engagement
Insulting me, ignoring my points (because I guess you don't have a comeback?), calling me a troll, etc. is not a "good faith engagement" by any stretch of the imagination.
>>487
You should still post your comments anyway, instead of writing and then deleting/not posting them.
You say you're a "normal, boring individual" but it's interesting to hear what you have to say. What's normal to you isn't normal to someone else. To you, it's routine. To someone else, it's different and interesting. Don't preemptively put yourself down. That's no good.
>>491
Why do people always think hackers are eastern european or Russian? Remember that US government organization called the NSA? Hello!
But even then, a lot of the real issue with security and privacy is the companies themselves, where, in one sentence in a 10,000 word EULA, they grant themselves the legal ability to spy on you and sell your personal data to advertisers using your IoT toilet.
I'm really less worried about muh Russian hackers, and more concerned about Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, etc. They have more power than most governments now.
ジェット燃料は鋼鉄のビームを溶かせない
太ったプログラマナイスガイ
産業革命とその結果は全人類にとって大災害でした。
shit breaks in linux: hi, it looks like some shit broke. here's exactly where it broke and here's what your system did to fix it. would you like to send us an error report to help keep the same shit from breaking in the future? you can see here exactly what data is in the report, if you want.
shit breaks in windows: whups, some shit somewhere broke somehow :( abort/retry/ignore?
>>497
Shit breaks in plan9: it isn’t broken, the user is broken, cat cats files onto the console and the file you opened is an infinite special node like random or kprint, this console is over until the end of time or you externally kill cat.
There was a girl in my friend group in high school. It became clear at a certain point that she had developed a crush on me. Not realizing its magnitude, and also not desirous of a romantic relationship with her, I feigned ignorance. I feigned ignorance much longer than I should have, until a mutual friend called me out publicly for "being mean to her". As if the blame for the subject never explicitly coming up in conversation lay solely at my feet. Okay, whatever.
Honestly, she was a pretty cool person aside from that tension. But it never would have worked out between us. I like to think that healthy human beings are just naturally beautiful, or close enough to get the job done. And most of them are.
But not her.
It has been several years since we graduated and went our separate ways. According to Facebook, she is now happily married and raising a bright, energetic child. And she has somehow become even uglier than she used to be.
vc:hag
>>500
Too much processed food and lethargy in modern life. Fast food, cars instead of walking, soda... terrible stuff. Bad diet makes people look like trash.
so far:
middle manager tonegawa: favorite thing so far this season, very fun, not only full of highly aware self-parody but also neat on its own as a prequel telling the origins of gentei janken. probably wouldn't recommend to friends who haven't watched kaiji already though.
jashin-chan drop kick: shit, probably gonna drop. was excited for a guro-heavy comedy that reminds of dokuro-chan but it feels derivative as hell and cheaply animated.
sunoharasou: cute and comfy and hits me right in the /ss/, not much more to say
hataraku saibou: kesshouban-chan is cute, CUTE
these days it's rare for me to pick up even one seasonal anime, let alone 4, plus there's some others that looked interesting that i haven't started yet. have the good old days finally returned and anime stopped reclining?
>>503 Aw dang Jashin-chan looked quite good. I'm finally watching Haiyoru! Nyaruko-san, just working my way down my list forgetting why I added them until the OP plays!
>>479 Hmmm, sort of interesting, though I'm a bit disappointed that asceticism isn't what you actually meant. I'm on board with some of your points, to some extent, but what I see as the main flaw there is how many of the things you don't like are things "other people" do. Everyone is thrust into this world by chance and are given a finite amount of time on it, and everyone is stumbling around looking for their place and their purpose. I agree that it's a shame how some people choose to spend their precious time, but that includes other people who spend their time casting aspersions on the lifestyle choices of others instead of worrying about themselves. You might put your faith your own standards of morality and decent living, but no one human can set the bar for everyone/anyone else. It might seem like a good idea living to Christian values, but how much of those values come down to sour grapes? You mention Nietzsche, maybe you've read his Genealogy Of Morals - how often are the people who vilify extreme wealth and hyper-sexuality the same people who would love more money to buy nice things, who no one wants to sleep with?
It's a good thing to be fit and healthy, but I laugh at people who go to the gym - you're paying someone to let you run around and lift things in their shack! Why not just run around the streets/woods and lift trees and things ya silly billies?
>•People who consume, but don't create. People who watch movies, eat comfort food, etc. but won't write something, won't program something, won't paint something, won't make things on their own. It's very liberating to make things.
It's fun to create but the Internet's too full of people thinking their shoddy derivative piss is worth showing to other people. Especially fan art, 90% of fan art is hideously bad, made worse because it's not even an original idea!
>how often are the people who vilify extreme wealth and hyper-sexuality the same people who would love more money to buy nice things, who no one wants to sleep with?
I'm reminded of a Russel Brand quote, distasteful as I find the guy. Something about "when I was poor and wanted to talk about worker's lib, they said I was just a sour cunt; now that I'm rich and want to talk about worker's lib they call me a champagne socialist. I'm beginning to think they just don't want me to talk about worker's lib".
>>501
No, she was pretty healthy and took care of herself well enough. She just lost the genetic lottery above the neckline. Her mom was ugly too. I felt bad for them, but I couldn't look past it.
>how often are the people who vilify extreme wealth and hyper-sexuality the same people who would love more money to buy nice things, who no one wants to sleep with?
If I had more money, I'd put it towards useful things, not useless luxury things. Pay off college debt, get car repairs, etc. But there's a difference between having enough money for yourself and being corrupt by insane wealth, like being a billionaire. There are different effects at different scales of wealth.
I might be getting a more high-paying job soon, but even then, that's still not the same level of wealth I'm talking about here. And it still doesn't make me okay with capitalism.
And are you implying I'm a virgin or something? I've had girlfriends before. Even had a couple casual hookups. But I'm just so put off knowing that so many women my age have had a million dicks inside them.
One of my exes, a single mom now, named her kid (who she had with some other guy) after me. This is some sort of weird cuck shit and I don't like it one bit. But now she's talking about marriage and she wants some sucker to pay for her life, even after she became a single mom after sleeping with too many dudes.
I've been cheated on before too. We broke up after that. Modern relationships are fucked up.
One of my old friends, a super fat ugly feminist, date raped me when I went to hang out with her one time many years ago. I went to her place, we were just hanging out as friends, she brought us drinks, said something about if it was okay if she violated me, and then I blacked out -- after a single beer (she must have put something in it) -- and then, next thing I know, she was driving me back to my apartment and then tucked me into bed. But this bitch still complains about SJW garbage on social media. Oh yeah, and I came across her Tumblr once, and in the time span that I had one relationship with someone, she was with like half a dozen people (some men, some women). That ain't right.
I just want to have something that is seemingly unattainable -- a wife who is monogamous, loyal, wants to have kids, is Christian, right-wing, stable, isn't grotesquely fat, doesn't already have kids from some other guy, and hasn't slept with a million guys. I'm not expecting someone to be a virgin, but a lot of people fuck way too many people. My best bet would be to move to the countryside, but unfortunately cities tend to have way more tech jobs, so that's why I am where I am. Around here, shit like LGBT, open relationships, cheating, stepdads, etc is common. Completely dysfunctional.
If Mac DeMarco was a fed, he'd be Mac DeNarco.
If he was African American, he'd be Black DeDarco.
If he had a gun, he'd be Mac-10arco.
If he was a dog, he'd be Mac DeBarco.
If he was an addict, he'd be Crack DeRocco.
If he committed usury, he'd be Loan DeSharco.
If he stole money online, he'd be Hack DeBanco.
Big helicopters: no one gives a shit
Drones (small helicopters): oh my fucking god this is revolutionary stop the fucking presses this changes everything holy shit we have never seen anything like this before
uh oh...
>>513
all I'm saying is that current-day relationships are fucked up
modern life is trash, let's go back to traditional shit
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Atlanta aigroeG !welp that was a nice 20 month run between "wow online retailing is the wave of the future" and "amazon warehouse slaves package dragon dildos for 20 hours a day and the only break they get is when jeff bezos descends from his sorcerer's tower to beat them with a garden hose"
every time something nice happens some rich fuck turns it to shit
Ejaculte money
What would you call this genre of music?
https://soundcloud.com/xk4001/collab3
Rap? Trap? Horrorcore? Screwed and chopped?
If you know of any other songs or artists like this, please post them!
i mean of course when you're an alcoholic mexican who lives in the ghetto and make a living as a code monkey programming fart apps for iphone modern life seems pretty shit
have you tried not doing those things
>>520 It's a bit witch housey too, I think I'd maybe settle on Witch House or Hip Hop/Chopped 'n' Screwed for the genre tag, though your other suggestions fit too for sure. Have you listened to much witch house? It maybe doesn't all fit the bill for what you're looking for but there's some good stuff in there. Salem, White Ring and Spaceghostpurp come to mind. I don't really have much with rap on top in my collection but I'm certain more exists
"screwed and chopped" sounds like what i did to your mom last night HEYOOOOOO
bean me up scotty
>>523 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY4N5NOAsH0 I thought this was quite obscure, since I found it in a collection of old rock 'n' roll gems and deep cuts, I didn't know it was in Fallout
god
all the time, like every other day at least, i have to sleep and eat food and drink water
being alive is such a pain in the ass
beat me up scotty
just fuck my shit up scotty
>>521
I'm white passing though, and I develop more than just iPhone apps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(racial_identity)
It's hard not to drink when your social life mostly revolves around going to bars and restaurants with people.
Also:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ballmer%20Peak
>>529Ssounds like you make shitty decisions about where to live, where to work, and who to hang out with and then want to lay the blame for those shitty decisions at the feet of society, my dude. Literally all of those things(well, all but one) are 100% within your power to change.
Does iOS-chan need his own (permasaged, ofc) thoughts thread? This shit is dull.
>>534
Or maybe you could just stop derailing the thread and then things will go back to normal. If you don't want people to post about something, stop posting about it. Don't keep on bringing something up and then complain that other people continue to bring it up too.
Think of it like this. Imagine if someone made a comment about tomatoes, and then you said you don't want to talk about tomatoes. Over time, people eventually stop talking about it, or at least don't bring it up very much. Then other people start talking about how they hate tomatoes, and then the pro-tomato guy starts talking about them again (in response to the anti-tomato posts). Then you say "WHY ARE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT TOMATOES? OH MY GOD STOP ALREADY" and then continue to bash tomatoes, generating more discussion about them in the process, and for some reason you think that will somehow quell the tomato talk. However, it only gets people to continue talking about it, because the pro-tomato person wants to clear up any negative comments about tomatoes. But if other people didn't keep on bringing up their hatred for tomatoes, there wouldn't really be any discussion about it at all, and isn't that what they wanted?
Do you understand what I'm saying, or do I have to phrase it in yet another post? I have gone over this idea many times already, but nobody listens.
Or the pro-tomato guy doesn't shut the fuck up about tomatoes and doesn't get the message when everyone else says they don't give a shit about tomatoes.
>>535
Pretty sure he's not complaining about the posts about you...
I sure hate tomatoes and don't like seeing posts about them. Surely making more posts complaining about tomatoes will mean there will be less posts about tomatoes. Oh wait, this post is about tomatoes, which is exactly what I don't want here. Shit.
How was your day? Did you go to church, or at least have the day off?
>>542
Picked up a nice desk somebody was giving away. Other than that, nothing much.
>>543
Nowadays a lot of people get cheap Ikea shit that falls apart if you try and move it. Cheap particle board material. It's nice to have good furniture that lasts.
>>544
I specifically didn't go to Ikea today, but still got caught up in half an hour of Ikea-bound traffic thanks to it being the first rainy weekend in what must have seemed like several lifetimes to the hordes of people desperate to browse self-assembly furniture now that they couldn't see the sun again.
>>522
I've listened to only a couple of witch house tracks. Any recommendations?
>>536 Don't forget that the pro-tomato guy also blogs about his life in intimate detail to the point where even during the rare times he's not posting about tomatoes, it's still extremely obvious that it's him. He also sometimes pretends to be anti-tomato just to stir up shit.
>>547
People are talking about furniture and witch house and you're still hung up on tomatoes. Drop it, dude. Don't even reply to this post.
the human centipede
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgjTzwOWkAMjsor.jpg:large
I was born an insufferable hipster. In elementary school I never understood why other children liked boring mainstream shit like batman, power rangers, teenage mutant ninja turtles, and dinosaurs. In middle school I didn't understand the appeal of boy bands, skateboards, Star Wars, and Britney Spears. By high school I'd learned to just block out pop culture completely.
I eventually learned to hide my distaste for mainstream pop culture in order to make friends, but it still slips out sometimes. The other night my friends mentioned Seinfeld and I accidentally blurted out "man, I hate Seinfeld" because man, I really do hate Seinfeld. It's so fucking bland. They just stared at me in disbelief and tried unsuccessfully to convince me that Seinfeld is good. I just nodded and lied "yeah, I probably just need to give it another chance."
Even after years of trying to force myself to enjoy the mainstream in order to fit in, I've completely failed. If anything, I've grown even more judgmental. For example, my sister-in-law has a tattoo of Hello Kitty holding an AK-47. When I was younger I might have found it amusing, because at least it's trying to subvert the mainstream. But now it just seems so cringe-worthy to me. By trying to be edgy and funny, it achieves the exact opposite. It's just lazy, crass, and uncreative.
It seems to me that Sturgeon's Law really is true. But the question is, how can so many people really enjoy all this shit? I honestly don't understand the appeal. I used to think it was because I was "too smart," but a number of my friends who are smarter than myself still love basic mainstream culture.
So there's obviously a problem with me, not everybody else. Yet given a choice between feeling superior or inferior, it's better for my own self-preservation to choose the former. And so I remain a stuck-up elitist that looks down on everyone but tries to hide it to make friends.
>>550
Thought this was kopipe but I googled it and there were no results. So it's original parody then?
If you're serious, I think people just consume pop culture because it's easy. The distribution channels are right there. You don't have to try hard to consume TV, movies, or other widely-distributed stuff. Fewer people put in the effort to look for other things.
I guess it also gives you something to talk about with other people. Water cooler conversations and ice breakers.
Is the poster who was posting about suicidal thoughts still here? Are you feeling any better? What have you been up to lately? Hope all is well.
who says we don't have a world without borders when it closed down in 2011
>>550
I just can't stand people's aversion to anything slightly different from the norm. I can see why would someone like mainstream pop but like, Kate Bush is barely any different why wouldn't you like Kate Bush just listen to her, idiot.
And people consciously seeking stuff they can talk about with other people is giving everyone too much credit. I think everyone has these preconceived notions of what should they listen to and what kind of people listen to this or that genre, and it's hard for everyone to detach these ideas from what they are immediately sensing with their ears and eyes. It sounds sad as fuck, that people condition themselves to like the things they like because they ought to, but I think it's true.
By the way, Kate Bush turns 60 today.
There's something cozy about talking the contents of your computer like it's a physical area
>>554
Hey buddy, keep in touch with us, okay? Just keep posting here, at least just to keep us happy.
(｀・ω・´) nopai nopai!
Pounded in the BUTT by my own BUTT
Maybe if I take these pills I'll feel something.
>>564
Oof, that's like a super strong cup of coffee. Or two regular cups of coffee. Be careful with that.
Coffee just makes me feel jittery and anxious.
I want to release the emergency mittens.
emergencyMittens.release();
My IP changed, that's totally lame.
so like, if you're the official social media account for a sports team maybe it should say somewhere in your bio what sport you play? especially if you're the "shattuck dutch lions" or some shit that isnt exactly a household name
