>>158 Has the Hollywood a Reporter heard the full tape, though? It seems slightly unlikely MTV would share their scoop with HL. HL could have made up the "not a publicity stunt" part to get clicks today. Nobody will care about an article tomorrow saying "watch the interview, he didn't quite say that."

Also, remember that interview a few months ago,which turned out to be a group effort, and all of the reporters transcribed it slightly differently? That could explain the "Taylor Swift" bit even if HL did get the podcast.