[Contentless] Post your current thought [Thinking] [Personal] [Part ➅] (999)

1 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6788 11:23

Previously: http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1326391378

I hope nobody minds that I cleaned up the title a little bit.

737 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 08:23

I read Oyasumi Punpun every day. It's practically my Bible.

738 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 08:32

Do you re-read it, or are you just taking your time to progress a little each day? Either world make sense, it's a really VIP manga. I'm just curious, think nothing of it!

739 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 08:35

I consumed it like a starving child in Africa when I first read it. Nowadays I read one to two chapters a day, maybe more if my appetite calls for it. It's part of my daily routine now for some reason.

740 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 09:35

Hey, I also binge-read Oyasumi Punpun over the course of two days. I too was enamored with it, but once I had some time to reflect more, I realized that it's a little flawed. It's hard to explain though so I'll just shut up and let you enjoy it as long as it lasts.

741 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 09:39

I'd be happy to hear you explain why you think it's flawed, actually.

742 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 10:25

Does the thought of bottles red and black
The thought of tongues which taste you back
Fill you with a nauseous elation

THAT'S what it was! I kept hearing it as "nosy oscillation".

743 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 10:51

Looking through old chatlogs...so nostalgic...so erotic...

744 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 11:03

I'm hesitant to explain mainly because I cannot clearly form my thoughts. For one thing, I read it 6 months ago. I have a bad memory and can't recall specifics. However, I'll try my best to explain the impressions that remain - just take it with a tablespoon of salt.

Oyasumi Punpun has beautiful art, an engaging plot, and much more complex characters than your average manga. It really is a great work. I think it achieved its goals most perfectly in the childhood days.

However, as Punpun grows older, the manga loses some of its focus and depth. Its depiction of humanity is skewed. All the characters are frustratingly introspective. Now, having experienced deep depression and being pretty neurotic myself, I identified with this. However, there's more to life than that.

I think maturing entails gaining greater awareness of the world around you, and using this awareness to take control of your own fate and truly care for others. Yet most characters in Punpun never transcend their 20-something angst. It's a step up from teenage angst, but still an over-simplified perspective on the probles of the soul.

In short, I appreciated Oyasumi Punpun's look into the dark cyclic minds of lonely souls, but it wasn't as nuanced as I'd hoped.

745 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 11:34

I can see why it seems...would the correct word be "repetitive"? I understand why you'd view it like that. However, as someone who not only struggles with depression, but also a plethora of disabling mental illnesses, to me it's a perfect reflection of what life is like for someone with a severe distortion of reality. And reading it is a fresh experience for me every time, as it's something I can always relate to no matter the hour.

746 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 11:38

I can see why it seems...would the correct word be "repetitive"? I understand why you'd view it like that. However, as someone who not only struggles with depression, but also a plethora of disabling mental illnesses, to me it's a perfect reflection of what life is like for someone with a severe distortion of reality. And reading it is a fresh experience for me every time, as it's something I can always relate to no matter the hour.

747 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 11:38


748 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 16:21

Today, a Japanese woman called me "onii-chan". That is all.

749 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 18:40

I'm the other one from earlier, and this also accurately describes what I feel about the story. The apparent lack of realism from another perspective is there because it's hard to believe something that one has not experienced for themselves, or to that extent.

750 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 18:42

It's okay.
Lol'd some.

Today am I going to ask her out. (If she's there.)

751 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 20:15

Good luck! Don't over-exaggerate or she'll feel nervous and turn you down, even if you're a nice guy.

752 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6849 22:22

dota blows

753 Name: 744 : 1993-09-6849 22:27

I see where you guys (girls?) are coming from. Oyasumi Punpun does a great job of showing what the world looks like through mentally troubled eyes. I recognize that it's often repetitive and frustrating on purpose. And I especially love the "god of poop" perspective - I think that's where the manga really shines.

However, I would like to say this - I don't recommend using it as a bible. It offers a cynically realistic portrayal of many problems, but it doesn't offer many solutions. (Nor does it try, since that's not the point.) It's a good read, but if you're really looking for a bible, look elsewhere.

You can do it. Chill out and be casual/confident about it. (Easier said than done, I know!) Even if you're rejected, just consider it practice for the next time.

754 Name: 749 : 1993-09-6850 00:08

Haha, yes, it doesn't offer any solutions at all. Maybe we'll see something at the end. The appeal is very similar to that of Welcome to the NHK and Tatami Galaxy.

755 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6850 01:21

Well, when I use the word "Bible" I mean moreso that I read it as much as a religious person would read their Bible. I do not use it as an answer for my problems.

756 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6850 04:32

I am forever a lonely person even when there is someone who loves me

757 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6850 05:00

I'm really worried that the person I want to love feels like >>756.

758 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6850 08:06

I prefer being alone, so I have no connections outside of my immediate family. Yet recently, I've realized the importance of developing interpersonal relationships for success in life, and I recognize my preference for remoteness as a personal failing. Despite this, I still feel unmotivated to put forth any effort towards changing my personality and social habits.

759 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6850 08:58

Connections are important for success, but I think you don't necessarily need to make a big change toward your personality or habits. You can stay remote and plan meetings with other people on your own time. During these meetings, you don't need to talk much, just ask questions and give them eye contact, listening as if you really care. Share just enough about yourself that they're willing to reciprocate, but you don't need to go overboard.

760 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6850 09:12

Hey, me too!

My problem is that I'm just naturally introverted and bad at talking to people. I don't think I can ever feel truly comfortable in a social setting.

761 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6850 12:31

Fuck; everything is wrong. I usually don't let people know the degree to which I truly understand them, but when I am completely inebriated I end up mentioning things which frighten them in their factuality. It helps me lose friends fast - after all, who enjoys being truly transparent?

762 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6850 12:50

I'm once again glad to be a teetotaler and only lose control of my faculties to the tune of occasional sleep deprivation.

763 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6850 13:22


764 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6850 14:57

Well I suppose I can always delete it, but that isn't going to stop me twitching.

765 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6850 17:59

jerking off

766 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6850 22:51

It's a hard life.
But alas, what can I do but keep on running ?

767 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6851 04:26

I've recently started playing the computer game based on The Black Cauldron and realized that the Chapman brothers' game, Peasant Quest, is probably inspired by it in part.

768 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6851 04:42

i gotta stop entering these battles of wits unarmed

769 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6851 05:12

I should have gotten jalepenos in my burger.

770 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6851 05:25

Just finished watching all 74 episodes of "Monster" over the past week. It's pretty good, though a bit slow-paced in parts. Could easily have been half the length.

771 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6851 10:08

772 is an excellent number.

772 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6851 10:50

>>771 Why thank you~

773 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6851 22:09

774 is a pretty blah number. I feel bad for the guy.

774 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6851 22:15

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775 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6851 22:16

It's all I deserve.

776 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6851 23:03

Why do people abuse people who love them?

777 Name: >>775 : 1993-09-6851 23:20

Thank you >>774-san and >>776-san.

Now I can get 777!

Today is my lucky break!

778 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6852 02:50

I can't believe E3 2012 is on Tuesday. I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing while I watched it last year. I remember the feelings I had about the person I loved, and the confusion I had about my life. It's insane how much has changed in one year.

779 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6852 03:12

I empathize with you completely.

780 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6852 03:37

I often find myself looking back and thinking, "Wow, I'm actually XX years old. This is wild."

Times seems to pass increasingly quickly with age.

781 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6852 04:48

Speaking of E3, who else is going to be watching it all day tomorrow?

782 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6852 06:02

I have nothing better to do.

783 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6852 06:13

The question should be aimed to highlight those NOT watching it all day tomorrow.

784 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6852 06:20

My friends are talking on skype, but I'm having a hard time understanding what they're saying. I think I'm forgetting English.

785 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6852 13:16

Last night I had a dream involving the gravity gun from Half Life 2 being used in Minecraft. That would be pretty awesome.

786 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6852 15:25


787 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6852 18:21

zombies are fucking lame

788 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6852 19:20

E3 has really sucked so far

789 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6852 19:29

>>786-san here. I saw the Halo 4 thing. That all looked pretty sweet. Poor Cortana.
In other news. I am going to ask a girl too dinner. Wish me luck.

790 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6853 01:09

>>789 you can do it consecutive numbers-tan!

791 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6853 02:51


You've invariably fucked it up, haven't you

Great work, we sure could count on you to fail

792 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6853 06:34

Time to decompress like an empress.

793 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6853 07:54

I really love salty caramel.

794 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6853 14:38

The alternative is unthinkable. Let's just leave everything as it is, shall we?

795 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6853 15:40


You're just lazy and will use your whole time to fap anyway

796 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6853 16:57

>>791,795 projects his own personal failings onto others

797 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6853 20:41

>>787 is a hipster. He liked zombies better when they were still underground.

798 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6853 22:58

>>788 hoped the Wii U would have been better ;_;

799 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 01:27

I think that my girlfriend is cheating on me right now, and there's nothing I can do about it.

800 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 01:41

She was.

I couldn't.

Now she wants to break up with me. Fuck my life, best end it now. Goodbye DQN.

801 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 03:51

Trust me, she isn't worth it. You don't need her to affirm your life - the only one that can do that is yourself. And remember that DQN is here for you. Bros before hoes.

802 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 05:22

I'm calmer now, thanks. I just get worked up sometimes...

803 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 09:57

It's best just to not ever get into a relationship in the first place! The world is a mean place, and the only way you can maximize your happiness is by spending your time in isolation - stop looking outside of yourself!

804 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 11:54

I played Psychonauts (got it as part of the Indie Bundle V) and I was surprised how much it sucks despite all the critical praise. The writing is amusing, but that's all it has going for it. Game-wise it's just an old N64 platformer but with frustrating controls and a camera. If you're going to make me do generic platforming, at least give me smooth controls and camera. I might be able to forgive the terrible gameplay if it had good atmosphere, but the graphics are ugly as hell and I can't stand the whole 'wacky music' thing. No wonder this game didn't sell well.

Sword and Sworcery EP, on the other hand, is proving to be pretty good. It's light on the gameplay end, but it's more about the atmosphere of the graphics and music, which I think are excellent.

805 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 12:26

( ˃ „D˂) >>803 No, no, no! Don't shut yourself off from the world, you might just find someone who will love you and make it all worth it.

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806 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 12:45

I assume you have Amnesia: The Dark Descent as well? I seem to recall I made a post about that a while back... Haha, yes, I did.

807 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 13:56

>>804 you're probably not going to be surprised, but all that's been said before.

( E-E) I for one am absolutely ecstatic that collectathon platformers have gone the way of disco.

808 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 14:03

I agree it's most important to find happiness from within yourself first, rather than rely on others to give it to you. However, once you've established that, there's no reason to stay lonely. Nothing last forever, but that doesn't mean we can't love and be loved while it lasts.

Yep, but I'm waiting for the weekend to play it because I want to get good and drunk first. I don't normally scare very easily but I've never played a horror game before so I'm not sure how it's going to go.

809 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 14:26

I'm mostly contented with who I am, but love is nice!

810 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 18:28

Then she does not deserve you.
But don't close yourself off from the world. I do consider myself to be introverted and asocial. However living like that *all* the time makes me feel sad. I made a promise to myself to change for the better an age ago. Now I have good friends, and maybe even something more in days to come.

811 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6854 23:34

My head hurts.

812 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 01:13

Is it bad to love someone more than they love you?

813 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 01:22

Nope! All relationships are like that, at least in the beginning.

All you can do is hope and try that they'll come up to your level. But don't try too hard, or you could end up in some sort of institution.

814 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 01:33

>>810 I'm also an extreme introvert, and I want to become a part of society again. But I can't stand dating, or even women for the most part. How do you get over that fact?

815 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 01:40

Einfühlungsvermögen, 811, einfühlungsvermögen.

816 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 04:06

Forget about dating for now, start with the small stuff - learning how to use small talk to make quick friends and such.

817 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 04:24

>>816 I can already manage small talk. I have to do that at work. I can't make deeper connections, though. And I'm pretty sure none of this will help me with the relationship problem.

sorry, I don't mean to be contrary. But I've thought it through a lot by now.

818 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 06:32

Ah, I see. When you said you were extremely introverted I wasn't sure how bad it was since some people can't even leave the house.

Anyway, deeper connections are just a matter of slowly revealing personal things about yourselves little by little. Drop little hints of your true self here and there, and they will start to reciprocate with their own. Sometimes you can move along the process faster with personal questions. That's how you start to become friends.

Of course you don't have any reason to do this if you don't like them in the first place. You can't really force yourself to like someone. Just take it easy and eventually you will meet somebody that's true friend material. They're rare but out there. You may already know one but not realize it yet.

819 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 06:45

goddamn I just realized I sound like a freaking horoscope, please don't take my words too seriously

820 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 12:42

One kind of criticism to the exclusion of all other kinds of criticisms is is the cancer that is giving criticism a bad name.

821 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 14:06

>>819 don't worry about it. Your advice is good. I just need to find people who share my interests, and who I can talk to. And maybe romance can come after I have some friends...? Well, I still have serious doubts about that, but there's no use thinking about it.

822 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 14:48

It carries out and is Tungsten.

823 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 15:22

Get over it? I don't. This is going to sound really arrogant, but I look at most people as idiots. And my IQ is only slightly above the average. This situation is probably a lot worse for people with much higher IQs. But anyway, most people are shit. It's the norm. I just deal with it. But if I choose not to interact with anybody at all then I won't ever get to find the few people who are not shit. And they are great. People like me and people like you. I never knew this was what real friends were like until I got some. And it's great.
Is good advice.

824 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 16:10

Too much thinking in this thread and too little feeling.

825 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6855 19:26

I have a very high IQ and I appreciate the differences in people. I don't think that intelligence has anything to do with it.

826 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6856 00:54

I'm not particularly intelligent, but I feel the same way about people. Though the fact is, a lot of people think exactly like us.

I'd quite frankly rather be one of the idiots and appreciate everyone as my peers. It must be so nice to take everyone seriously rather than a select few people.

827 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6856 05:37

Try to look at life from their perspective and analyze why they think the way they do. It's possible to find grains of wisdom amidst the stupidity. I think writing off other people as 'shit' is just as dumb as the inability to solve logic puzzles.

828 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6856 11:26

My IQ is stratospheric. Doesn't make me not an "idiot" in any sense but the "low IQ" one. IQ is largely a measure of your ability to take IQ tests.

If you look at most people as shit, you are arrogant.

butts butts butts

829 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6856 12:23

>>824 is T A N A S I N N

830 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6856 12:42

>>828 I look at most people as shit, but it doesn't have to do with intelligence. Intelligence isn't something that can be controlled. Either you're smart or you're not, no sense in being proud of something you can't control (like your nationality, etc.) I don't look down on someone with a low IQ, because that wasn't his choice.

No, what I despise is ignorance. Ignorance is something you can control. Different opinions aside, I've got no respect for people who spout off about subjects they know nothing about as if they did. And while education can help, it doesn't always: I've met people without high school diplomas who are very well-informed (and very smart sometimes too) and I've met people with advanced degrees who completely had their heads up their asses.

831 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6856 12:58

>>830, I think I grasp the distinction. May I illustrate with an anecdote from my family?

In high-school, a science teacher played a prank on his class by telling them that the direction, clockwise or counterclockwise, that the water runs out of the toilet when we flush is dependent upon the gender of its last user. Most of the kids, including my younger sister, went home and attempted to verify this by experiment.

When she told our stepfather, a man illiterate his entire life, who also could not perform basic arithmetic, he laughed and said "How does the toilet know?"

My sister, as many youths are, was ignorant. My stepfather, while not a learned or worldly man, was not.

Is this the distinction, or have I failed to grasp something?

832 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6856 13:12

> I've got no respect for people who spout off about subjects they know nothing about as if they did.

And neither do I.


833 Name: ( ˃ ヮ˂) : 1993-09-6856 13:45

>>831 yeah, I'd say that's the distinction, pretty much. Though that might have to do with the fact that students can be easily misled by their teachers, since they're supposed to be authorities on their subjects and all. Formal education doesn't teach you common sense, I guess.

I was also thinking of people who talk about "important issues" like politics and economics, and who think that because they've got a B.A. in Business Administration and watch 24-hour cable news that they know how to fix the world. There's nothing wrong with talking about these things, but if you're going to talk as if you were an expert, at least take from more sources than goddamn CNN and Fox News. Maybe read a few fucking books first, do some research and try to find both sides of the story. Sorry, I don't want to make this political, but I know a lot of these people. There might just be a lot of them where I live.

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