I was going to ask this question to the last poster in the Baby Human topic, but decided I should probably make atopic out of it.
Well, how do you survive? Live with your parents, work off the internet, live with other relatives, supported by girlfriend/friends, still go to school, still go to work, inheritage, participate in money farming?
Post your source of income here, along with your age, if you feel like it.
As for me: Age 21. I live with my parents, but most of my income comes from my community college (still trying to get through it). The rest comes from different things I've done online, like checks from those free Ipod sites and ads on sites I've ran.
I work online.
>>114
Don't ditch everybody just yet. You're still young and there are good people out there if you look really hard.
You sound like my kind of girl. I prefer people who keep to themselves, not the obnoxious loudmouth whores who I have to put up with.
Yo yo yo
Long time hikikomori here, dropped out of the 5th grade and have been a hiki since.
I started therapy, so wish me luck, maybe I can become normal again!
I work for a company in my country doing textures and stuff for them, i don't need to go out of my house too.
thats my shit! man feels good when you know there other people like you. Im not sure us hikkis can be normal again. those fake extrovert smiles piss me off. another thing is it is not fucking cool to be no damn hikki just cause youve seen it somewhere. I spend most of my time watching anime getting bitched at for something I have no control and Im a hypocrite, to no surprise, because I still wanna believe theres a place for me in society, true desu ka ne?
truth is you cant because people will laugh and criticize you because 1 either they dont like it 2 theyve never seen such behavior and they will force you to conform to theyre ways. Ex. its like trying to tell another person there religion is wrong ne? so why should i conform to something I dont like 1 because I dont want to 2 because I cant. just like there are extroverts doesnt mean there shouldnt be any introverts. then its a never ending feud because I might criticize aswell myself.
life is the matrix dont die for it.its all a fantasy man im telling you.there is a possobility you might never know true love so might as well be a hikki and live free.extroverts and introverts live different lives. there is nobody out there who will help you and give a fuck. trust me man ive seen hatred. live for yourself and dont show other people what you can do. there bound to clown on you anyway as if they know life and death. so live free I say.
I just realized its okay to be introverted I think I became a hikki cause people thought I was weird and didnt like it so thus oppression from extroverts. you dont have to conform to society its a bitch cause people dont like it. it may be superficial but I think you have to be a bit extrovert to help your introvertedness cause a lot of people misinterpret or misunderstand introverts. to take it lightly people dont know what to say to us and introverts try to clear the tension by having a talk
something we clearly suck at so thus a hikki was born. I think it is alright if you accept you like being alone most of the time like spike spiegel, nagato yuki, or ayanami rei. consider yourself a bookworm. I bet most of us value thinking, ideas, and analyzing.I take anime like reading a book, different genres, stories etc. you dig if you dont have friends dont worry about it in life you only keep a few bout 2 or 3. Im being serious the way I seen shit work out here in LA man only a few good friends take
care of each other. Im 19 and Ive got bout 5 friends the rest is people I just know. I only kick it with bout those 5 and thats it.
ive been a shuttin for 4 plus years, I read a lot of articles about hikikomoris and agoraphobics and all the so called experts seem way off, im 24 now and work online for chacha making around 10 bucks a day. I think part of my problem is I am unhappy with living an ordinary(wasteful) life filled with stress. I am a bit of a misanthrope but at the same time I long for people. If I could go further away I would, ive never been suicidal tho. Anyway thats my two cents worth of ramblings, its a lot more complicated tho and it is difficult to map it all out.
"Wannabe hikkikomoris" are the same people here who call themselves "introverted". They just want a glamorous name for being socially retarded.
>>134
Please. Being introverted has nothing to do without being socially retarded.
But "wannabe hikkikomoris" is stupid, that said. It's like saying "wannabe depressives" or "wannabe lunatics", or "wanna shoot myself in the foot".
I'm not a hikikomori anymore, but I'm still fucked up and socially isolated.
Can't remember if I made this topic, but if I did I meant it as sort of an insult. In the way that a lot of people wanted to call themselves "hikkikomori" even if it wasn't the proper phrase.
lol metro detroit, im there too
thats funny though, i hope to be in your same situation with a wife thats the breadwinner
ive always wanted to be a housedad :D
i am 21 from england and havnt been out for the majority of 5 years now. How has anyone else recovered from spending so much time alone?
what jobs do you do? do you still live with family?
to anonymous 134 if I wanted attention I wouldnt be writing a fuckin essay now would I. I am here because I wouldnt purposely act like a fuckin moron and humiliate myself. Its called phobia and the shit I experience I wouldnt lie bout it just for someone to tell me its gonna be alright when the superficial reality is nobody gives a fuck if you die. I just wanna live my life without this shit. like I said I live in LA and bout 75% of the fuckin US is extroverted.
the world has problems you know even you or unless youre a fuckin bully ignorant to the other side of the situation. the US is too conservative think about it not to long ago americans thought homos were sexual predators in search for your bootyhole. chemical imbalance in your brain is a biological disorder like a person who has no legs and for example they get mad at the fool because he cant play soccer so is this his fault no its absurd.
having that name, hikikomori, is not glamorous at all when everyday you wake desparing over what if. do some research before you come in here insulting and underestimating people like I do to emos who cut themselves cuz they saw a dead bird lol. waking up to only suffering is cool man? fuck off. its only despair when you cant do a goddamn thing when your fighting insanity but watch it like watching someone get killed or traumatized and then being catatonic.
1 bad day can make you go mad like having 6 years of past horrors overload your mind in a mere 30 seconds leaving you helpless when your brain doesnt do what you tell it. and I think, oh man, Im a hikikomori because it sounds cool. tell me this what kind of cool does a 19 yr old have to show to people who despise him? what do I gain? I am socially inept not because I wanted to but because 1 bad day can make you forget the rules.
one more thing hikikomoris dont know how to act in society so they shut themselves in. sides with everything lost and no friends I value this pain and I believe I havent been born a second time that is why Im in this dilemna. dont think were just some winnies cause we shut ourselves in. Ive done some shit Ive had my girlfriends, Ive had my sessions hotboxing. Its just that one bad day that did it all.
by the way did anyone get intel on the dude who killed three people and injured 20 who dressed and called himself the joker, you know batman, apparently he also laughed like him when they interrogated him.
I hope you're not writing an essay, your writing style is awful. Also leaps of logic lol.
thanx man. I do that alot. but if you want to insult me go ahead Im through with playing the arrogant asshole who think they are always correct. one thing is for sure, your helping me fight back.
>the arrogant asshole who think they are always correct
Funnily enough, that's exactly how you sound.
That said, it takes nothing out of your suffering I guess, but I really think you need to chill out and stop thinking too much with yourself.
Does anyone recommend any online jobs? I still have trouble walking outside...
>>149
One good work that doesn't involve getting out is tech support and/or order taking, some companies allow work from home. You'll still need to be able to talk to people over the phone, but it's not like you'll need to do chit chat.
http://www.avclub.com/articles/inventory-12-famous-living-recluses,1983/
Rather than being a hikikomori, I've always wanted to be a recluse in the mold of these fellows. Fame is a bit of a requisite, though.
>>150 Do you need an online degree? How about forex?
I just re-enrolled in high school for the first time in 4 years i'm rlly nervous i've spent 2 of those 4 years locked up in my room never going outside or talking to anyone.
Not much of a hikokimori now but i have some expirience.
Sysadmin - you do most stuff online and when you have to go fix something personally you just come, do your stuff, leave and its enough
Online trade - ebay and alike - ocassional visits to post office is manageable
I leech from my parents or should i say my hardworking mom.
Still living with her and doing nothing to help her.
well I've come out of that situation where I'm not that scared to go out anymore. One day I just said fuck it, because I'm a man I will go out, get a job, do that sort. I'm putting my ideas bout people in play, and also made a new discovery, I usually only cared bout my own happiness but then started helping people out and someone said thanx. It was probably the first time I heard anyone thank me in such a manner, I guess it mattered because it came from the heart, lmfao. Yeah stupid but even these little things can help you along the way, though i have no sense of moral justice, it doesn't hurt to want to help others. It's take care of your own hide or sacrafice yourself to help others, dunno, it's its own reward.
>>156 this is gold ^_^
But you're right, hikikomori are very self-centered people, just like any depressive person.
>>137
What, because the term is Japanese? Hikikomori is not a term that only applies to Japanese people. It's a Japanese term, but the Japanese would use it to describe a similar situation in any other country.
That's like saying I can't call myself Hakujin (white person) because it is a Japanese term and I am a white person. Language is just language, douchebag.
When I lived in London I didn't leave the house, except to walk my dog at 2am, for several years.
Now I live in a very remote house in Scotland, 35 miles from town and 3 miles from the nearest neighbour. The remoteness means I obviously still have some severe social problems but, being on the edge of the largest wilderness area in the UK, I can actually leave the house without fear of being robbed, judged or humiliated.
I review PhD papers and do some proof reading. The money isn't great, but I get by and the rents up here are absurdly low.
Proof reading is a great way of making money at home, but beware the 'proof-reading course' scams.
I get referred to as a hermit. I do freelance comics from home and on the rare occasion will venture out to help little old ladies with computer problems (sadly that pays a lot better than the comics I put so much work into). Still doesn't make me nearly enough to move out of my parents' place. One of my friends has been trying to get me into Forex recently.
I frequently take long walks sometime between 3am and sunrise when there are the least amount of people milling about. I live in NYC so it's almost impossible not to avoid people completely.
I work, a lot. I save up money. When i have enough, I retreat.
I haven't been touched by a sun beam, or moon beam in almost four years. Literally, I have been in one room. A friend of mine brings me food, good food, very healthy.
I am socially masterful. I am very hard working, and highly skilled. I attract many friends, and lovers. I am admired by many, and even arouse jealousy in others.
I retreat because people make me sad. I feel their fear, their sadism, and the death behind their eyes. I can't take it. It drives me insane, and makes me suicidal. I retreat to survive.
I'm just learning this hikki term, and I'm not like the people I've see portrayed. First of all, I refuse to play video games. I love them, but it's just too numbing, to powerful.
I've been locked up in my room for about 4 years, not attending college & have no job. When around people I always believe everyone is mocking me and out to make me miserable. I sleep until 4pm, and sleep at 7am. I want to change how I am, but whenever im close to it I begin to think how it's all just going to fuck up and hurt me even more, so I just stay right where i'm at, where it's safe. I've been looking around the past couple of days for people going thru the same thing, came across the whole Hikikomori thing and all that. Since then i've been feeling alot more positive, probably because i'm basically able to have an outside look on myself. Well dinner's at the door so Im off to grab it.
>>162 I surmise you live by your parents. Do you know how they manage to put up with those 4 years? Don't they tell you something? Not even to share house chores? Do you actually speak with your parents?
I actually live with them. And we really don't talk much at all
Mom usually tries to startup conversation with me, rare occasions my father does too. They tell me I need to get out, I have so much potential but I don't believe that i'm frightened of the world and I think they realized that and is most likely the reason why they continue to put up with it. Don't get me wrong, Im aware that i'm most likely hurting them by being like this, and I do love them both dearly I know they care about me. I don't enjoy being like this more so doing this to them. I've posted here randomly not to be some wannabe or be ridiculed but to find some help some advice something that could help. I can't talk like this in person, and even writing all this is still hard for me. Im already thinking how all of you will laugh, ridicule me.
>>165 don't worry, my point is not to ridicule you, I know that you are in pain and suffering, that this is something very serious. It's just that since you wished to speak about yourself, I wanted to understand better your situation. BTW, do you have siblings?
My first advice to you would be to go see a psychologist, someone who can help you on your anxieties and depression. My second advice would be that you start investigating on the net (and perhaps talking to your parents) about about getting an education/training based on mentoring, which means that you are being followed on a one to one basis by your educator. This would allow you a soft re-entry into society, rather than just join a big faceless education/job system. Inform yourself about what's available to you in your surroundings, and chose your favorite option.
Anyway, don't think your problem is ridiculous or unique. Many people suffer from it, sometimes very talented ones (Nick Drake comes to mind, check him out on wikipedia). You need help, and an adapted form of education and training, just like a myopic person needs glasses to see correctly.
I'm going to look into mentoring and try to see a psychologist. Also I do have a younger sister, thank you for the advice and taking time to help a random person :D I really appreciate it, and tho I don't know you it means alot. I will keep you updated
>>167 It's my pleasure. Do keep us posted on your situation, I'm interested in seeing how you progress, and perhaps we can provide you with some useful input. But open a new thread dedicated to your situation, as this one deals with a specific and limited question.
>tho I don't know you it means alot
Sure, people are not just crap, they can help you if you let yourself be helped.
This thread depresses me
>>166
I googled mentoring for my area after reading this and only found stuff I would never want to do (like plumbing)
where do I look for more info?
In regards to the original topic. I leech off my wealthy parents, i think it is one of the contributing factors as to why i became hikkimori, was because life, love and society got too much for me and instead of fighting for my survival i just retreated back to the comfort of my old home/room. I've been here for 2 nearly 3 years, barely leaving the house let alone my room. I'm now 27 and feel too old to re-enter society. I over indulge in various forms of escapism, books, anime, video-games, the internet and of course porn. yeah like most hikki's i've struggled with anxiety prior to sad and selfish lifestyle.
I'm a hikky, but go to work. But i don't get much contact to other people there... so it's a win/fail situation for a hikky.
Well, atleast not a NEET. orz
>>174
go back to /b/
also why not work, it's like recovering. it was worser before for me.. still not the best yet.
Yes because you can go to work while being locked inside your room right? Gee, just because you're a shut-in does not mean you are a hikikomori. If you don't know what it means, don't use it.
I just got a job today. It's my first job in four years. I deliver pizza for a gourmet pizzeria in the downtown area of where I live. I'm 22 and before this all I've done is fast food industry stuff. When I was 16 I got my first job and hated it. I hate working, I wish I was a genius so I could think up a way to never have to work again. All I want to do is stay in my room and read my books, study and work towards a degree. But I don't have the money for school, I can't get a scholarship and for some reason I keep failing to get grants. I used some money I had saved up and bought an RV. I used to live at a camp ground, that was a pretty cool time in my life. Now I'm parked in my mom's back yard and I have to shit in the woods because my holding tanks fill up. I hate my life sometimes but then I think about all the ways that it's better than most peoples. I OWN my friggin road-house, I have a pretty cool lifestyle and once I get back on my feet I wont have to shit in the woods anymore. Delivering pizza is a nice job and I get to see some pretty weird shit. My job before this was delivering chinese food around the same area and I got to meet strippers, hookers, crack whores and homeless people on a day-to-day basis. It's a fun way to pass the time and make money. But I need a hobby, cause when I'm not working I'm jerkin off and my dick is getting pretty raw. Maybe I'll start building gundam models for my cock's sake. I know people that enjoy that and they seem like cool people. Oh, sorry for rambling, I do that often. I have to go back to work now.
>>178
troll?
if not, in which country do you lifte?
>>177
A hikkikomori is, by Japanese standards, someone who hasn't left his or her house in excess of six months. Going OUTSIDE to work means you have left the house, engaged in actual activities. Outside of your house. Which is not in your room. Which means you are a "recovering" "hikki", or just a dumbass who wishes he can label himself so he's speshul and more Japanese.
I thought this place was merely visited by people with some degree of intelect, since they tend to care about the facts somewhat. Too bad this is going down the dumps too.
I live in the good'ol USA.
You kids and your elitist vocabulary. :3 I'll probably get flamed and told to goto hell for this BUT since hikkikiomori and shut-in basically mean the same thing can we just agree to use the ladder and end this nonsense? How many of us are actually japanese? Most of us are probably american and european. Why not embrace our own culture and stop being parasites. Living in this fantasy where you're a hikkiomori ota, just because you think it's cool isn't helping you recover from this illness you like to label yourself with.
Now if after reading this paragraph you have a moment of clarity do not be alarmed. This indicates only that you're still sane and that there is hope for you.
Although I agree with you that giving yourself Zapanese labels is retarded. I am, and very much would like to keep beeing a parasite. Also, embracing your own culture and another culture with no problem. hurr
Oh I wasn't saying, or didn't mean to imply, that one couldn't embrace a foreign culture and lead a healthy lifestyle but I do see it causing an identity crisis here. You're going to keep running between the butt cheeks of society like a trapped gerbil if you don't come to terms with reality.
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I know that this thread is ancient, but I'll post anyway.
I don't like going outside and when I do get coerced into leaving my room, I usually end up sweating profusely like I'm in a sauna and get really nervous.
I hate leaving my room, even to use the bathroom (which I then turn to empty water bottles), and when I have to shit I either wait until night when everyone is asleep or wait till I'm sure nobody will see me.
I want to kill myself since I've already dropped out of highschool and I know that I won't ever do anything with my life.
Rich parents. The cure for all your blues.
I really wanted to be Hiki one more time but my parents would rather killed me, so i was obligated to enter a college or make slave job .
I truly belive Hiki being the noblest way of life, fuck them! I dont want nothing from society at all, just living playing Eroge, reading manga and watching anime this is all i need to live a happy life, 3d girls ? they should all just die.
>>188
Die in a fire.
>>189
You're thinking of NEETs', not hikkis', retard.
Is it so hard to understand that people who do anything to avoid even the slightest human contact by shutting themselves in their rooms, and even going so far as to piss in a fucking bottle to avoid people. It's not a temporary thing, it's not something you do because of a job, it's not something you do because it's fun. It's something you do out of pure fear, the kind of fear that you would much rather die than let a single person see you no matter who it is.
It's a horrible way to live and any semi-intelligent hikki knows this, which is why they turn to suicide, and if they can't do it then they know that it's just more time that they have to live a lonely, miserable, and pathetic existence until they either somehow manage to change themselves or just die. They usually die.
Drop the 'hikikomori', seriously. Just being a nerd living with your parents doesn't make you part of the big sociological problem that it is. Also there's a perfectly nice english term for it that we all are familiar with: NEET. And you guys that are studying don't even meet the requirements to be that either.
Hikki =/ NEET guis, seriously.
>>192 I'll take that. Sorry for the stupid post, it was in fucking terrible taste.
Question.. why not find a profession without the test-taking anxiety? like take up crafting leather (for real), making platemail, or moving somewhere remote and working as a forest ranger? There are lots of hiking/running hobbyists out there who wont talk your ear off.. sometimes a good long walk helps put it all into perspective. There are so many ways to live life.. don't buy the blue-print to success BS. Most people who look happy are really miserable.
BTW 27 years old is NOT useless. That's way young to be giving up. Lots of people respecialize or go back to school around 30 to try a new career path. The dirty secret is, after this last recession, the concept of a "career" is obsolete. Everyone's going to be freelanced/contracted labor eventually because thats how companys save money.
As a hiki or neet, you have advantages. You're ok living in smaller quarters, longer attention span, attention to patterns & detail, can live in remote places extros wouldn't dare, and you can get paid more by working night jobs which are generally undesirable to day-walkers. You just got to stop criticizing the character traits that make up who you are now, figure out what kind of critter you are, and get better at finding your tribe. Best of luck in your quest ~ you're not alone.
Sidenote about introverted character traits.. you realize (unless you have a kid) that you're at the end of your evolutionary line. If these character traits were so useless and bad, they would have been bred out of the gene pool centuries ago! There's a functional reason why you have the traits you do, which in different times could have meant you might have been the village shaman, scholar, night watchman, or ranger. Its really a shame how modern medicine tries to label everything a disease. You are a unique lifeform and the sooner you appreciate your rare gift of seeing things for what they are.. rather than what other people want you to see.. the sooner you can come to terms with how truly dissociative human societies are.
this thread is over a year old but ill post anyway
i have always lived in fear of being seen by other people and so i shut myself off from any human contact what so ever
i dont have any friends
and i stay at home all the time
maybe it all started because i was too smart
i could see peoples face and read their minds i knew exactly what they thought about me i could see disgust and anger in their faces
and this grew on
but being that smart has its ups and downs
i knew i couldnt live in fear all the time and if i continued to live like i did i would surely end my life
even though making money off the internet made ends meet
i knew it wasnt enough
so i came up with a way to deal with it
i started going out starting with a few minutes by shutting off other people in my mind
i stopped seeing other peoples faces and reading their body language and how they reacted to me
for me when i went out it was only me
and so i continued my routine and i'm glad to say that i'm over it if not totally or completely
now i can go out and interact with other people
which far more than what i could do when i was cooped up at home
hope any one who reads it will understand and implement what i have done so that it can help you as well
if not come up with an easier solution much preferable to you like i did and come out.
>>193
"Hikikomori" carries certain connotations that fit people here. We certainly meet the Japanese Ministry of Health's definition of what a hikikomori is. We are using it as a loan word, just as the Japanese took "NEET" from the UK. It's not just some half-baked attempt to feel Wapanese and important, though there's that too.
I don't know if I'm a hiki, despite the fact that I don't leave my room, except when it's absolutely necessary (like for buying food or going to the bathroom). It's not like I don't want to do anything, but it just feels so pointless to muster all this energy and get out of my room, when there's no one who cares what you're doing (not even yourself). I could just lie in my bed and stare on the ceiling all day, my head feels so empty and I doubt that I feel like any other person around me. Everything I do or try is so useless, as if it'd matter if I graduate properly, because there's not even the slightest chance that I'll be able to get a decent occupation or go to university. I don't think that I could face all these alien people, who think that shut-ins should just stop being lazy and get a job. If it were that easy, there wouldn't be no shut-ins anymore. I don't stay in my room, because it's so damn funny or because I'm too lazy to go outside. There's a difference between being an lazy idiot, who thinks it's cool to live on the expenses of his parents and a real hikikomori, who has no other choice than to stay inside, because he feels there's no other place where he can feel safe.
My country has an amazing welfare system. If you're willing to live with a very low income, you don't have to work. All you have to do is fill up a form every month and submit it. The government pays for an apartment and gives you enough to pay your bills and food. Usually they try to encourage you into education or apprenticeship, you can just flat out deny them, but if you go you get more money.
Live alone, get money from parents. Theyre hate me, hehe
hikkimotri since 1999 only had 3 odd jobs no college leave with mom. my life is getting owrst by the day and n
my last rope.
>>207
If I asked you to improve your English, it'd be like someone asking me to buckle down and finish high school math. We're the same, you and me. I just have more pretensions.
ssdhdfag
I am a hiki with zero prospects and an intense disinterest in engaging reality. I need to make some money. I would try to scam people on kickstarter but I am also a coward! Suggestions welcome.
I am working as part-time prostitute :D
Why was my post deleted?
>213
Just because you don't agree with a post doesn't give you the right to delete it and silence debate like a jew
I can't think of anything and soon I'll end up on the streets
All the doors are barred I have nowhere to go