Chicken Tartare Edition
Previously:
#1 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1213916710/
#2 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1250275007/
#3 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1292544745/
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#5 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1326391378/
#6 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1333279425/
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#10 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1360549149/
#11 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1367260033/
#11.5 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1367260120/
#12 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1372849946/-255,257-
#13 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1368127055/
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#23 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1480168637/
#24 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1489348442/
#25 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1503631448/
#26 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1519019746/
I'm certain they were separate events, I think I would remember mugging someone like you >>162-kun
I've lost so much.
But at least you still have your virginity!
there is a disturbing lack of futa in jock strap images
why can't i do anything without being yelled at
I don't have a cold, but this leftover coughing is killing me.
https://my.mixtape.moe/phrvwf.png
succeeded in marked by clerks
anyone else using firefox on linux and suddenly having a weird visual bug where all your scroll bars are off center by like 15 pixels
>>171
I stopped using desktop Linux years ago. macOS just works.
>>173
Still more usable than Linux. I'll use Linux on my NAS, router, IoT shit, AWS/Heroku, etc. but fuck using it on a laptop or desktop lmao
>>174
Usable or stable? I was talking about the latter. Plus, you and I likely use a computer for very different things. Life has many doors.
>>173 You're not wrong, I keep my machine on an older operating system from before he died
My life seems to consist of just drifting from one mental disorder to another.
>>175
What do you use a computer for? And what are you assuming that I do or don't use a computer for?
tree cummies up inside my body
reddit is shit
I made a post on reddit today. It was harmless, didn't break any rules. Wasn't mean or offensive or anything bad like that. It fit the subreddit theme. Still got removed. I got a message from a mod about how they have a rule where they are allowed to remove any posts for any reason, even if they don't break any rules. They didn't explain why they removed it.
I looked at the profile of the subreddit moderator who said they removed my post, and holy shit, they are on reddit pretty much 24/7. There is no way they have a life when they spend that much time posting.
someone gave me a crock pot
i already had a rice cooker with a slow-cook setting so now i can be an even lazier fuck
make curry or knockoff americanized sukiyaki in the cock pot and rice in the rice cooker, come back in a few hours and have food without even touching anything, hell ya son
btw kansai style is objectively correct, if your meat touches water or broth without being seared first you are bad and wrong
in general i mean not just in this one dish
I should really commit to higher standards of quality when posting.
>>183
Ever tried Chinese hotpot or Vietnamese pho? Those styles of cooking go against what you said. You cook the meat in the broth. They're excellent though.
>>178
I personally use my computer to take screenshots of my desktop and brag about them on the internet. That's why my distribution of choice is Arch Linux.
>>187
Can't run Xcode in Linux. How are you gonna make iOS apps? Hmmm? Linux is useless to me.
>>188
I suppose your workplace should provide you with the stupid macbook pro, that's how I do. I guess you could have some other work flows, like combining ableton with super collider and pure data or some wacky hipster shit like that.
But taking screenshots of my i3wm desktop is a valid use case too.
>>189
I'm pretty sure you're joking, but if all you use Linux for is taking screenshots of desktops, then you could just run Arch in a VM and run macOS natively. You could even use Parallels or something for Windows. Then you get the benefits of all desktop OSes.
https://nekophiliac.bandcamp.com/track/w
feeling sad and listening to sad music
don't tell me to post it in the links thread
>>178
I'm making no assumptions about how you use a desktop computer, just that it's statistically unlikely that we do the same things, given how many things you can do using a computer. Thus, there's not much point point arguing which is more usable, especially as "usability" is often dominated by what you're used to using.
>>188
This is my point. Usability is completely subjective, save for the obviously user-hostile things Apple seem to love doing to their hardware lately.
>>192
I really like when my laptop gets so hot I get slight burns when touching it, especially when the hot spot is right next to the screen hinges, gives me so much confidence on apple's top tier hardware and their decision of just having a single hidden air intake in the entire thing.
On a more serious note, I really liked my i3 setup. It ate up less than 300MB of memory and took like a second and a half to boot. It's too bad my ultrabook got stolen.
>>192
Nobody uses desktops anymore, aside from neckbeards. Laptops are the only relevant computers these days. I've built numerous desktops, and still have a pretty high-end one. But I almost never use it compared to my MacBook because I can't take it with me anywhere. And even if the hardware is better, Windows and Linux suck as desktop OSes. macOS is really the only viable native developer platform these days. If you really need something else, you can always run a VM. But I rarely use other desktop OSes these days, even virtualized. But these days, I'm more likely to use a Docker container than a VM.
>>193
Use TG Pro and set a custom fan profile. How new are you to using Macs? And don't act like this is a Mac-only thing, I used to use SpeedFan in Windows.
I just know someone will call me a troll (like you have in the past). This site is a bizarre echo chamber and people here can't handle different opinions. Go ahead and pretend that Linux is viable and that nobody uses mobile devices. Clearly the only people who disagree are trolls. Right.
>>194
Why are people so obsessed with having a lot of free RAM?
My desktop has 32GB of RAM and my laptop has 8GB. That's not even counting swap/pagefile. It's not a big deal. Not everything has to be ultra-minimal. Usability and workflow are more important. I can also spin up servers on AWS or Heroku with whatever resources I need. Elasticity is an important aspect of cloud. Cloud is an important aspect of computing. Not everything is offline. You can use remote resources too, you know.
What IDEs can you use in Linux? What dev tools? vim and emacs are ancient and irrelevant. It's 2018. Software has changed, but the Linux development workflow really hasn't changed to meet modern needs. A lot of important software isn't available for Linux. Then you have to either use WINE, a VM, or a web-based version of something. Or even worse, "cross-platform" "native" Electron wrappers for web apps.
Tons of Unix-like stuff is available for macOS, like brew, coreutils, moreutils, bash, zsh, git, and so on. But macOS also has something that Linux does not: commercial software support. I'm not a freetard and I value usability over muh freedums. And Xcode is Mac-only. Complain about it all you want, that's just how it is.
The fact of the matter is that you can't make iOS apps in Windows or Linux. That's a huge deal-breaker to me.
>>195,172,174
I am using "desktop" to be synonymous with "laptop" here, as you can comfortably put a laptop on a desk. Can you make some actual arguments instead of baseless assertions? That would help your "not a troll" case.
Also, the PC vs Mac fanboy "war" was, like, two decades ago.
> you can't make iOS apps in Windows or Linux. That's a huge deal-breaker to me.
Could've just said that from the start. The rest of whatever you were saying was just fluff.
>>197
Baseless? Read my posts instead of being dismissive.
No serious developers use Windows unless they're doing Windows-only stuff (i.e. C# .NET). Who uses Linux for development? Maybe kernel developers. But look at what's happening to Linux lately. systemd is straight up garbage.
Most developers I know use MacBooks. But you can run Windows or Linux on a MacBook if you really need to (though you probably don't need to). Are you going to run macOS on a non-Apple laptop? Hackintoshes are a pain in the ass and you also have to trust random kernel extensions to get it to work. Besides, updates can break Hackintosh builds. Too much time and effort. Not worth it compared to just buying a MacBook.
I never said "PC vs Mac" because Macs are personal computers, and they're all x86 anyway. So you can easily run Windows on a Mac. But you can't easily run macOS on a non-Mac computer.
>>198
Go outside and see what people are doing. They're not just spending time out and about. They're checking their phones every 5 minutes. Mobile is a big deal. If you're not doing mobile development, what are you doing? iOS and Android are what you should be targeting first and foremost. Android Studio is multi-platform, but Xcode is macOS-only. Sure, you can do CLI stuff in Swift on other OSes, but you still can't use Xcode, Interface Builder, etc. iOS development is way more than just pure Swift.
Desktops are a thing of the past. Web is inferior to native (though still important in some ways). Laptops are dying off and being replaced with phones and tablets (except for developers, since Android and iOS are not viable platforms for developing software on them, unless you count "hello world" programs as being software development). But even so, mobile is overtaking traditional desktop platforms. I use macOS to make Android and iOS apps. If you need to target other platforms, just go with web or Java or something otherwise multi-platform as a kind of catch-all (React Native or Electron or something). But I'd say it's a waste of time to do platform-specific work if it's not for mobile.
Nowadays, you need to develop software for mobile FIRST. Mobile-first web development, with responsive design for desktops second. Mobile apps before desktop apps.
The average mouth-breather uses Facebook and an iPhone or an Android phone, and barely even knows how to use that stuff, as easy as it is. You and I can use computers, but most people prefer mobile platforms, since they're more idiot-friendly and casual/accessible. And if more people are using these platforms, you need to focus your attention on them.
Windows is a sinking ship. Satya Nadella is shifting Microsoft away from Windows and more into cloud and machine learning. Office 365, Azure, and whatever their TensorFlow competitor is called.
Amiga used to be #1 in personal computers. But they didn't adapt to market changes and they died. Microsoft didn't take mobile seriously, and now they're at a huge disadvantage for doing so. Technology changes rapidly, and if you don't adapt, you die. It's that simple. Whether or not you like the changes doesn't matter.
Mobile is like Eternal September on steroids, but even so, you can't ignore it.
> Still more usable than Linux
> Laptops are the only relevant computers these days
> Windows and Linux suck as desktop OSes
> systemd is straight up garbage.
Citations needed! (Okay, that last one is true.) All of this is inflammatory garbage that makes you look like a total asshole. (I'm not saying you are an asshole. Maybe you're not, but that's hard to believe.) Your only real argument is you can't run Xcode to write iOS apps. Well yeah, but that's not what everyone uses a computer for, is it?
> macOS is really the only viable native developer platform these days.
> Most developers I know use MacBooks.
> No serious developers use Windows unless they're doing Windows-only stuff (i.e. C# .NET).
> Who uses Linux for development? Maybe kernel developers.
You're living in an echo chamber.
Again, if all the world were software developers writing for iOS exclusively, then maybe you'd have a point about usability. But they're not. So you don't.
>>201
Android and iOS. I only mentioned iOS development because iOS development is macOS-only. You can do Android app development on other OSes with Adnroid Studio or whatever else. However, if you're doing mobile apps, you need to make both iOS and Android versions.
Call me an asshole if you want, but the fact of the matter is that people are spending less time on computers and more time on phones. Do you want to develop for a growing or shrinking audience?
>>202
I never said you're a software developer, but I am.
If you're not in tech, what are you even doing? People on text boards tend to be more tech-savvy, so what's stopping you?
It's hard to have a good life if you don't make decent money. Money first, everything else second.
>>203,204
I specifically didn't call you an asshole. I said that everything you're saying makes you sound like an asshole. That doesn't really make for a pleasant discussion. The overall tone and point-of-view is very "abrasive Hacker News reader". I know it's hard not to sound abrasive, because text is a lossy medium of conversation, so I thought I should let you know.
(It's easy to work in tech without being an iOS developer. Unless this is some new recruitment strategy? Shit on literally everything else for paragraphs until the victim realizes the One Truth that writing iPhone software is the only logical way to make money?)
Anyway, let's conclude. This whole discussion started by me trying to show you that "usable" for you is not necessarily "usable" for everyone else. It turned into... whatever you turned it into. A conversation I didn't like.
Yours, until we scream at each other again,
(*ﾟーﾟ)
> Why are people so obsessed with having a lot of free RAM?
It was a shit ultrabook with little RAM.
I... I'm sorry everyone for re-igniting this shit war.
>>206
No, it's okay, you do you. Plus, that's a pretty good reason.
>A conversation I didn't like.
You're not going to like everything in life. News at 11. And not liking something doesn't mean you're right and that the other person is wrong. It just means you don't like something. Sometimes, you can grow from listening to other people instead of being dismissive.
It sounds like you don't want to hear different opinions. You want people to back you up on your preexisting worldviews instead, huh? Like I said, this site is an echo chamber.
>>206
RAM is cheap.
Ask any normal person what they think is more acceptable: obsessing over optimizing RAM usage in Linux on an old computer, or using a MacBook. They're not as expensive as you might think, by the way. You can get a lightly used MacBook Air in great condition, with 8GB of RAM and an i5 and an SSD, for like $700. That's not expensive for a laptop. They also get great battery life. And, you know, macOS.
Why do Windows gamer dudebros think it's okay to spend $500 on a graphics card alone, but they think a $700 MacBook is overpriced?
>>209
Have fun with desktop Linux. I'm sure you get great software support and no bugs.
Let's face it, Linux is better suited for servers, routers, and IoT devices. Not laptops and desktops. Sure, Android is based on Linux, but that's not a good example of it. Android is laggy compared to iOS when you consider the specs of the hardware Android phones run on. Lots of opportunities for better optimization.
Have fun staying in your bubble and not thinking critically about anything. There are plenty of opportunities you could take up to learn more and think about things in ways you haven't thought of before, but instead you'll just be rude and pass it up. That's not how you listen to people.
I used to use desktop Linux distros too, but they are just not usable for daily driver stuff. After a while, you sort of develop Stockholm Syndrome about it, but if you are able to move past that like I did, you can realize that you don't have to put up with all the problems and lack of support. You can move to something better, like macOS.
Only 9front is a suitable desktop Os that doesn’t do retarded shit for idiots.
The angry Hackernews in his natural habitat: shitposting on chanshits and sucking apple cock so hard it might come off. Why don’t those others understand that sub par Unix clones in plastic shittops are the future?
>>211
9front is shit because they refused my request to make Cirno the official mascot.
>>215
When did they do that? She is the default sysname, and a mascot in the fqa.
I wonder if this faggot's the politics shitter
All operating systems are terrible in their own way.
>>220
But some are less terrible than others.
I think we all at least agree that ChromeOS is shit. Google data mining, browser only, nothing useful. You can chroot Linux in it, but the performance sucks, and only certain distros are supported. And it's ARM Linux, not x86 Linux, so not everything works with it.
Computers in general are just awful.
I used Linux for years at work for embedded development. At the time there was basically no better platform for what we were doing and I loved it despite its quirks. It's totally fine for a desktop OS unless you must have that platform-specific program. My next computer will likely be a Linux box.
For laptop I'm definitely MBP all the way. It's by no means perfect, and yes, Apple is trying pretty hard to sabotage it, but it's still the best laptop experience overall. For me MacOS feels like home, although I get if it doesn't for you. I don't use it to develop for iOS, I just like it. When I need to run not-MacOS I fire up a VM and life is good.
The Windows UX has been utter torture from day one and has marginally improved in the last few years. I feel about it the same way a lot of people feel about PHP: it's just a fractal of bad design. I can appreciate that it's the universal desktop OS and necessary if you need to run certain software. For instance, I'm going to have to spend some quality time with it in the not-too-distant future for work. But that's the only reason I ever touch it.
Mobile...eh. Yes, there's money developing for it, but eh. You want it, you can have it. There's more than enough money developing for other things, and there always will be.
Broke: Thinking globalist elites all get along and cooperate for a single agenda.
Woke: Realizing that there are many wealthy people with power and influence, and they don't all necessarily get along. They still try to control the world in different ways (i.e. bribing politicians or buying media outlets) but they are often working against each other rather than some silly conspiracy involving clandestine meetings where they all get along somehow.
I call it ``warring elites theory'' but I doubt that I'm the first person to come up with this idea
>>223
Linux for embedded development makes sense. I mean, the embedded systems you were developing for were probably running Linux, right? Or are you so old that you were doing shit for proprietary dinosaur shit like VxWorks?
Nowadays, embedded is being rebranded as IoT, isn't it? Like traditional embedded systems, but with more connectivity (and thus more security concerns).
But that being said, not everyone is an embedded systems developer, so it's not great for everything.
I'm also a fan of commercial software, which is often proprietary. I'm not a freetard. I'm not the kind of guy who can just use vim and gcc and rxvt for development. I need real IDEs and shit. Old people might call me casual, but whatever.
The Linux DE experience is really lacking when compared to macOS, or even Windows. A lot of Linux users see it as a rite of passage to spend a lot of time to configure their tiling window manager or desktop environment with spinning cubes or whatever. It's been a while since I used a linux distro for myself, though I recently installed Ubuntu for someone else (because they were prone to getting malware in Windows because they sucked at using computers), and Unity wasn't that great. It seemed clunky and less polished than the UX experience I'm used to on Windows and macOS. Everything about it seemed off-brand.
cabbagebrains is a cuck
> I'm also a fan of commercial software, which is often proprietary. I'm not a freetard. I'm not the kind of guy who can just use vim and gcc and rxvt for development. I need real IDEs and shit. Old people might call me casual, but whatever.
Doesn't Ema…Eclipse work just fine on Linux? But I get your point, software for Linux is often less polished.
> The Linux DE experience is really lacking when compared to macOS, or even Windows. A lot of Linux users see it as a rite of passage to spend a lot of time to configure their tiling window manager or desktop environment with spinning cubes or whatever. It's been a while since I used a linux distro for myself, though I recently installed Ubuntu for someone else (because they were prone to getting malware in Windows because they sucked at using computers), and Unity wasn't that great. It seemed clunky and less polished than the UX experience I'm used to on Windows and macOS. Everything about it seemed off-brand.
I think that might mainly be due to force of habit. But to be honest, the only use of a DE is to launch useful software or sort files around.
I have never used MacOS so I'm just talking out of my butt, but I do not see major reasons to prefer one desktop environment to another nowadays. In my opinion, small differences are being vastly blown out of proportion by people raised on this or that DE, with no real arguments to support it, only because adapting to a slightly different environment represents a small cost for an even smaller gain.
Also, spending time ricing up your DE is just a hobby or an attempt at impressing ladies, not something anyone does for efficiency or comfort purposes (outside of delusion). If it were really for that goal, they would just use a standard DE, slap on a few hotkeys and be done with it.
> I used to use desktop Linux distros too, but they are just not usable for daily driver stuff. After a while, you sort of develop Stockholm Syndrome about it, but if you are able to move past that like I did, you can realize that you don't have to put up with all the problems and lack of support.
This is actually the real deal breaker about Linux.
there is absolutely zero middle ground between minimalist tiling ricewm and unity, nope
sip
don't think about how great it would feel to just grab him by the wrists and pin him to the wall and break him in half with your dick, think about something else, like baseball, stop it i said
Talking like someone who does mobile development for a living and thus uses an MBP all day at work, it's garbage. It's filled with small crap like lack of cut and paste on the finder which is trivially fixed in Linux, but unworkable on mac OS. Updates fucking hijack your computer for 15 to 20 minutes, that's unacceptable in 2018, and you need to update it for practically every two Xcode updates or so. The whole fucking computer. To run the latest Xcode.
Hey, some idiot updated the test device to an iOS beta? Boy oh boy, now I'll have to download 18GBs of a TRASH IDE just to get the development image.
Mobile development is garbage. Android Studio is crap, except when compared to other Java IDEs. Xcode is the worst shit imaginable and UIKit crashes DAILY. Indexing on Xcode has been broken for 5 releases now, I have to restart that shit twice a day. Mobile p2p fintech solutions for ios and android are garbage ideas. Every uber-but-for-tater-tots idea man can suck my balls. Every mobile dev candidate is absolute trash and the whole field is polluted by amateurs who barely finished high school.
Fuck you.
Hey remember when Xcode froze for minutes when displaying filename tooltips on the file explorer? It was there for like 3 major releases. That's pretty much 2 years with Xcode freezing to a halt if I dared resize the left pane. That's what you get with enterprise quality software. Thanks Apple.
>>230
Command C, command V?
How do you not know how to copy and paste in macOS? It’s really easy.
>>232
Cutting and pasting, not copying and pasting. Next you'll say duh that's moving the files just drag and drop between folders, well no it's fucking not you fuck ass bitch, because when you move from one drive to the other, it's copied. I want those files gone from the original drive.
https://my.mixtape.moe/tvfbbt.jpg
remember the chart, boys
>>233
Open a terminal and use mv
Or do this:
http://osxdaily.com/2011/07/29/cut-and-paste-mac-os-x-lion/
It must be hard for Japan to be near PRC, DPRK and Russia.
I am going to hang out with some friends today but for some reason I am still feeling profoundly depressed and alone
life is not worth living
fuck zapan
taking TV ADS seriosly
wtf wrong with you
As an aside, if you're dragging files in the finder:
Holding down cmd moves them (ie deletes the original if they're going to a different drive)
Holding down opt copies them (leaves the original if they're not going to a different drive)
Holding down both creates a shortcut.
Why does anything exist?
Actually, DOES anything exist?
What is real? What is fake? Is time an illusion?
Is reality an illusion? Is it a simulation?
If things do exist, does there need to be a reason why? Or can things exist for no reason?
What is nothingness like? What is death like?
On one hand, a good OS should have "move file" be the same operation everywhere, but on the other hand, it would suck if you moved your files over to a thumb drive that promptly caught fire after it deleted the originals, but on the third hand, they probably just haven't bothered to think about the default filesystem boundary behavior they inherited from software from the 70s,
feliz navidad
feliz navidad
feliz navidad
prospero ano y felicidad
I don't like Baltimore.
merry christmas
merry christmas
merry christmas
a prosperous anus and happiness
> Why does anything exist?
No reason. It just exists.
> Actually, DOES anything exist?
Yes, obviously.
> What is real? What is fake? Is time an illusion?
We merely call real the parts of ``what there is'' which are (conceptually) solid and durable enough to our taste or easy to grasp. So, physical reality is generally considered more real than dreams. Note that a sufficiently advanced dream could essentially become reality. However, it is usually clear even when dreaming that physical reality forms the basis of dreams.
Time is not an illusion, but the passing of time is. Past and future are not any less real than the present.
> Is reality an illusion? Is it a simulation?
Reality is not an illusion, by definition. Is it a simulation? I don't know.
> If things do exist, does there need to be a reason why? Or can things exist for no reason?
No and yes.
> What is nothingness like? What is death like?
Nothingness does not exist, there is only an idea of nothingness, just like luck does not exist and we only have an idea of what it is.
As for the experience of death (beyond the moments of transition), obviously when you die you can choose to linger as a ghost, resurrect (for casuals) or create a new character.
Spinoza and Leibniz would be very pleased to read this post
i need to just go live in the woods away from the internet for like a year
Japanese are very smart and succesful because they are aware of death.
Dreams are the mind's version of reality perfected
256
Hanging out with friends two days in a row now. People actually invited ME to hang out. How weird is that?
Is this what it's like to have a social life?
It's so strange to have people who actually value spending time with me. Not something I'm used to.
Been a while since my last tougeing
I don't belong here, or anywhere.
>>244
As discussed, mv internally uses the (hopefully atomic) rename(2) syscall in one filesystem, but has to actually copy data over a filesystem boundary
kaban pulling all the kemonomimi bitches like a real og
