Wanna know why I brang a shitstorm upon myself? Attention! The only fucking way I can get anyones attention these days is to make a scene.
WTFux and IICHAN will not merge until a proper democratic decision has been made by the majority of iichan and WTFux moderators, as well as VIP's and general users of both communities.
Discuss here, comrades.
i agree with this merger :o
i am against wtfux merging with iichan, but only because i'm fully of fear of loosing "the" wtfux i know. but since i see no other way, GO AHEAD AND DO IT.
i'm for the merger plzzzz. i think this will be good for us. already things seem better. we can also weed people out this way. c'moooon.
I don't have a big preference one way or another, as long as the idiocy is kept to a minimum, preferably through technological means (I'm looking at you, BlackMage.)
Trolling via subterfuge is fine, though. It tickles me that most of those kids still haven't gotten the joke.
WTFux has already had a democratic vote and we are for the merger.
There were some people that disagreed with the merger; You people feel free to share your opinions here. t('.'t)
as long as no wtfux dumbshits touch 4-ch, i'm fine with it.
Also, stay out of niche anime because I go to those boards sometimes too.
And dear god PLEASE drop the camwhore board - it encourages the highest forms of fucking idiocy possible.
God I hate wtfux.
idlechan has never been bad, but with wtfux around, you guys are sure to fail it pretty hard.
Don't do it.
and >>1-7 all have handles.
see, this is the problem with iichan and wtfux.
I like the idea of a wtfux and iichan (IIFUX) merge. It makes me cream my pants whenever I think of the idea.
BRACE FOR IMPACT! WTFUX AND IICHAN MERGE!
>>8
/cams/ is a essential part of wtfux and is probably not going to be dropped.
-☭
>>9
I am sorry, Lain!YsrYiS7Bco has called for "VIP & moderator" opinions.
And I still don't get why this is discussed here and not on the iichan discussion board. 4-ch.net isn't iichan.
>-☭
...Soviet Russia, that you?
Does this Soviet Russia will be around these parts?
I'm ready to throw my computer out the window.
I for one think this could be a good thing, just as long as nobody panics or forgets to delegate power and organize with a way for ops/mods to talk amongst eachother, etc.
Oh and dont turn into greedy power hungry mofos like ahem some other chans do :)
>>14
AFAIK, that's just some fancy unicode gimmick of the wtfux crowd.
Dropping the handle now.
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them that, as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.
Hey, as long as the IRC environment is still COCKS COCKS LOL, I'm good.
ZWARRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>14
no, SovietRussia probably would POST as SovietRussia#deadjew, like always. I'm ☭/A4A
-☭
For the most part, I am not opposed to the merger. Except for the fact that it brings a sudden influx of somewhat baka users into the channel and the website, that will take some getting used to. And the name. I don't like how iifux sounds very much. Perhaps an all new website name shoud be thought up?
Oh yeah. >>6 mentioned it. I won't mind it too much as long as the new people behave (more or less ^^;) and everything doesn't degrade into one big cesspool of *chan idiocy. If this post made any sense. o.O
I made my point. Carry on, peoples~ Long live iichan!
who the hell are all of you?
the only one i've heard of is lolocaust.
Goddamnit. This is gay and i'm sad :(
This is an open debate. I will take all opinions objectionally.
Also, dis.iichan.net is acting funky and I don't know why. WAHa needs to look at it.
> who the hell are all of you?
Some people from iichan/wtfux
No idea why they sought 4-ch.net to discuss all of this
I'm not aware of iichan having a whole lot that wtfux doesn't except for a furry board, /gay and /cams. I've never heard a peep out of any wtfux furries; but I rarely left the random boards so I'm not the best one to ask.
As far as trolling goes, half of the time I post on (iichan)/b/ it's deleted; the mods don't let crap sit (and fester). I don't think that it's going to be a problem.
Hell, since there isn't a board on iichan which is going to tolerate anything remotely resembling loli, SoRu should be happy; and that ought to cut down on the chances of over-the-top flooding anyway.
In my opinion, you should treat this as a trial run for when 4chan dies 6 months from now, after moot burns through the 11k they are spending on servers. That's when the shit will really hit the fan!
>>23
Probably the /wcd/ board isn't updated to the latest Kareha version.
Older versions couldn't handle some special characters (which I assume are in the IRC logs somehow) and resulted in XML parsing errors.
Just update your board and you'll be fine.
just get the fuck off 4-ch and i'll be happy! We don't want morons here, we want SERIOUS posters who UNDERSTAND an ANONYMOUS BBS and it's culture, and how it differs from wtfux and iichan. Where's Squeeks? He'd save us.
>>27
Dude, just chill, okay? No use in getting all angry, although I understand.
And Squeeks is around. AFAIK, he's not too happy with the decision, either. But hey, DRAM, ATTENTION, LOLZ INTERNET!
oh geez.
squeeks is being squeeks sup squeeks oh hey did i mention im a wtfuxer? lol anon
>>28
I'm not actually worked up, just worried. my use of "!" and caps is just me panicing that 4-ch will be infested.
This has seriously risen to be my favorite site on all of the internet and I'd like to keep it the way it is. More users are great, but this isn't quite what I was hoping for. . .
>>30
honestly..we wont invade 4-ch even when we had our own forum boards they wernt even used that much you got nothing to fear really
I feel this thread would have been better placed in the DQN board...
>>31 OH PLEASE. YES PEOPLE WERE. his spamming got fucking old. and always ruined it for everyone else.
>>32
oh okay cool.
I, ☭Normal-chan approve of this merger.
I'm already excited because as I stated, so far:
<normal-chan> coming to iichan is like moving into a really giant house with lots of legroom and there's already stuff to eat in the fridge and there's like some really good sushi bar only a block away :[
<normal-chan> THIS IS A MILESTONE IN INTERNET HISTORY
<normal-chan> PEOPLE WILL PONDER AND SCHOLARS WILL STUDY THIS MOMENT FOR YEARS
<normal-chan> THIS IS LIKE VOLTRON COMBINING TO FORM THE GIANT ROBOT
<normal-chan> Oh also
<normal-chan> I /r/ banner related to that
<normal-chan> 8)
Also, for those of you who are opposed to this merging, I would like to point out (quoted from foto-chan who quoted from the board meeting I missed earlier):
"I'll close WTFux until I feel I have the resourced needed to run it."
-Comrade Cho0b
So I mean... I guess that somewhat implies that it will come back... also as I believe Lain stated on the front page of iichan earlier "WTFux has a wide user base but far too few resources, while IICHAN's userbase is smaller and has far too many resources." So I mean... it's not like every member of 4chan is raiding on our smaller, more close, friendly community...
iichan's a nice place, most of the people I've talked with are nice people. So that's just one wtfuxor's opinion.
Love,
☭Normal-chan
PS: We'll jarbl your harbl
>>37
I dislike wtfux.
you guys are too ":D~~" for life. From my experince there, you all seem pretty anti-4chan too. Why? or is wtfux REALLY almost 100% completly made up of banned 4chan rejects?
>>32 We need a random (discussion) and /gay board; other than that, most of the discussion boards weren't used that often, I agree.
How will this affect the boards not hosted directly on iichan, such as roexpose, humblefool, koichan, 1chan, etc etc etc?
> "I'll close WTFux until I feel I have the resourced needed to run it."
I don't really have a problem with that. I don't even understand why that's a problem at all. WHAT does cho0b lack exactly, anyways? The ressources for all of wtfux? Or even what little it takes to just cover /cams/ and the random board?
>>40
no idea i didnt even though half of them existed next question.
>>38
4chan is run by and caters to a fairly immature audience; what's to like? And the "100% banned" has a lot to do with the fact that snacks and crew tend to automatically ban people who they know post onto wtfux; regardless of their behavior on 4chan.
>>40
Influx of new and exciting users from the sidebar, I guess.
>>41
they use over 120gb a month and and the number is still going up considering wtfux just barely started a few months back chances are it wont last much longer with its rate of growth and the constant drama
>>45
So the idea is what, that iichan is going to host the boards that caused the 120gb a month + constant drama?
Oh yes, and on the note of SovietRussia#deadjew...
Sources tell me that he has been eaten by the giant online monster that is World of Warcraft. And from my personal experience, he's a very infamous troll, but he's really not that bad. It's not like he's going to individually hunt you down and lay eggs in your anus via sodomy (but ya nevar know amirite?).
Soru is kinda like a cheeky schoolboy, only he occassionally floods gore pics and gay porn. Mostly on 4chan though, so meh meh lol
>>46
yeah pretty much, please be gentle its our first time
>>48-49
It's like we're being forced to marry some uberbitch because of tribal laws or something lol
>>50
hahaha, yeah you got it.
Please give the wtfux kids their own official IRC channel.
I mean, shit.
>>53
they have one, but i don't know where it is.
<h1 align="center"><blink><font size="7" color="#555500">The IRC Server is - wtfuxnet.ath.cx #wtfux</font></blink></h1>
>>53
We have or own server, but you already knew that Dru.
The IRCD is also something I'm willing to share with iichan.
if the ircd is still up, then why the invasion? I thought that meant you'd taken it down and they didn't have anywhere else to go.
Well, if it's just about the hosting, then I don't really see why wtfux would have to be integrated into the sidebar and all.
As I have seen in the past, the regulars there didn't like being linked from the iichan sidebar anyway.
So why not just donate the bandwidth/subdomain to them and be done with it?
>>58
Definatly the best idea.
>>8 "dear god PLEASE drop the camwhore board- it encourages the highest forms of fucking idiocy possible."
Worst idea ever. keep cam whores on cams and you contain this "idiocy" you speak of.
Same goes for all the boards. If everyone stays respectful there should be no problems glares at direspectfuls
>>9 ">>1-7 all have handles.
see, this is the problem with iichan and wtfux."
This is not a problem at all. This is just a contained discussion on some internet communities, whose memebers have identities. Dont be a disrespectful phantom please. Cheell
>>20 The name shouldn't change much. It could be like bijin or cosplay couldn't it? http://wtfux.org/iichan.net or something like that
>>22 "soru was already pretty much exiled from wtfux" When did this happen?
I approve: Link to a WTFUX front page with /cams/ /cats/ /sci-fi/ /movies/ /and whatever else isn't a board double/
> This is just a contained discussion on some internet communities, whose memebers have identities
"Identities" are mostly not needed. Having a handle doesn't make you automatically respectful or worth to be respected. If 4-ch.net wanted "identities" for everyone, this would have been another phbb board or something which it is not. Please respect this.
Also, adress opinions and posts with >>##, that suffices most of the time.
>>new and exciting users
Debatable.
Why call this a merger? Just have the wtfux boards on the sidebar. No big deal. Is there something more special about them than any other Wakachan type entity?
If the merge will be mutually beneficial, as you say it will be, I say do it. I don't care about whether or not either iichan or WTFux stays "pure," just so long as I can download porn, kittens, and Flash movies at a reasonable speed.
>>64
Well, so far wtfux has been a haven for those banned from all other places (considerably changed over the last few months, though)& self-admitted trolls with a strong sense for "We have tripcodes & are community yargh!" which went as far as lashing out against wakachan for linking their camboard.
I just feel that this won't play out and I think it's totally dumb to discuss this first on IRC only in a matter of a few minutes, then announce a final move decision, then incite a "VIP" discussion with the ultimatum of wtfux dying otherwise in the back.
Do we have to change our name?
Seriously, what do they have to offer that we can't do already? We're just taking their board links and adding to our own.
...No.
Eh. This can be a prelude to eventual popularity. Just scatter their unique boards in the sidebar, or even under a WTFUX tab, and hope they bring some life into the place. Several of the boards could use it.
I agree with >>65
I'd like to have a /furi to moderate over with an iron fist. (And I don't even care too much about that.)
The way this was handled, from the suprise IRC announcement, to the inital discussion and disgust, to this very thread shows not much planning went into this.
Still, this is the best idea I can think of right now to actually decide where we go from here while letting everyone express their views against iiFUX since IRC goes at 100 lines a minute.
TBH, I want to know more about what the proposed merger means to me -- the immigrant. I'd like to hear what boards will stay and what gets bahleeted as of now, and who gets mod status, etc.
Whatever's not ruled by Snacks is fine.
I'm getting my own board out of this so I'm cool with it 8)
Here's what I think. I was all for this push, and I guess the minute Lain hopped on board was the minute it was "official". I didn't think cho0b would go for it, but now that I believe most of WTFux is all for it, I think it's a good thing for iichan. WTFux has a community which is active and contains users who are fun to post with. IIChan mostly contains rabid people with a hankering for niche boards, and pseudojapanese anons. The "funloving" community had mostly migrated to WTFux, and there are several ex-iichan members who would like to join up with their comrades again, and vice versa.
I approve of this merger. Furthermore, IIChan + WTFux > 4chan AM I RITE?????????
> The "funloving" community had mostly migrated to WTFux
lol no
it's true, those guys have a community spirit which is easy to participate in. IIChan's random board feels like reprocessed 2chan in a cup
To be honest, all of western imgboards' random boards have been failures when compared to Futaba Channel. Even 4chan's /b/ doesn't "get" it but hey, it's fun to post gore, make nigger & jew jokes and behave like huge faggots all the time. That's community spirit alright!
If that's the kind of fun you're looking for, 4chan is the place to go, really. But do we really want to go into this here?
I'm not a fan of the merger, but if it has to be, then it has to be. And for all the faggots out there insulting WTFux:
You will be trolled. Hard and long with a huge cock.
>>78
Yeah, you're the kind of user I was wary of when I opposed this.
Gee, I can just feel the love between the two communities here.
> dis.iichan.net is acting funky and I don't know why
Less funky than world4ch is at the moment. rimshot
>>80
I don't think anyone can speak for a whole community. It'd be impossible to do something like this without at least a little bitching going on.
>>79
Yeah, you little faggot. I LOVE BEING ANONYMOUS, I'M A SOCIAL OUTCAST, LAWL
We all have names because we're all friends. We know each other, it grows a tight-knit sense of community, totally unlike this "let's stay anonymous" faggotry. I'll enjoy posting here with a name all the time just because it pisses you off.
So stop using anonymous board software.
>>81
No, it doesn't make them bad. That wasn't my point, either.
But I think the majority of the happy-go-lucky-troll crowd of wtfux would be happier at some register-only forum like SomethingAwful or whatever.
It doesn't really matter, though. This thread isn't about japanisu imgboards.
WTFUX IS NOT 100% TRIPCODE FAGGOTS.
>>85
HI HELLO. THIS BOARD GIVES ME THE OPTION TO USE A NAME.
That's craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think most of you need a more open mind and perhaps the stick up your collective asses needs to be removed.
>>85
There's a choice to be anonymous. No one is forcing it. Notice, I'm typing my name into the NAME BOX. DENOTING ONE SHOULD TYPE A NAME IN.
> WTFUX IS NOT 100% TRIPCODE FAGGOTS.
Though all I've seen on your board was constant bashing of Anonymous people.
> HI HELLO. THIS BOARD GIVES ME THE OPTION TO USE A NAME.
HI HELLO. I AM CONSIDERING ASKING SQUEEKS TO ENABLE FORCED_ANON FOR A FEW DAYS! ALSO, IF PEOPLE CONTINUE TO FAG UP THIS THREAD, I MIGHT JUST DELETE IT.
So stop it, please. <3
>>88
You were the one who started the bashing of chosing to post as Anonymous. Stop being a hypocrite.
>>89
Wait you haven't been bashing "tripcoded faggots?"
>HI HELLO. I AM CONSIDERING ASKING SQUEEKS TO ENABLE FORCED_ANON FOR A FEW DAYS! ALSO, IF PEOPLE CONTINUE TO FAG UP THIS THREAD, I MIGHT JUST DELETE IT.
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. I hope you're not like this all the time. Censorship is lame.
>Though all I've seen on your board was constant bashing of Anonymous people.
It's more like anonymous come and bash people with names and then those people get angry at anonymous and think everyone is the same person. Maybe that's why some anonymous should be thoughtful and put some time into their posts instead of saying whatever the hell they want.
Eric, stop being such an ass. I love you but you're being very asinine.
How the fuck am I being a hypocrite? Maybe one could read my words backward there. My point is:
IT IS POSSIBLE TO POST AS ANONYMOUS, BUT IT IS OBVIOUSLY PREFERRED TO HAVE A NAME THAN BE AN ANONYMOUS FAGGOT. STOP BEING A SOCIAL OUTCAST HIDING BEHIND YOUR OPINIONS BECAUSE NO ONE WILL FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE.
> How the fuck am I being a hypocrite?
You gave out heat and then couldn't take it when it was returned.
> Censorship is lame.
I agree but there is no easy way to move threads (DQN would really be more appropriate for this thread). I might just permasage it, though.
I would also think it's wonderful if we could give this names/anonymous issue a rest now. One last remark though:
> BUT IT IS OBVIOUSLY PREFERRED TO HAVE A NAME THAN BE AN ANONYMOUS FAGGOT.
No, you're wrong. But if you wish to further discuss this, please go here, read the thread and then enlighten us there:
http://wakaba.c3.cx/soc/kareha.pl/1110953600
This thread is now about wtfux/iichan merge again.
from this thread we have learned the nature of anonymous is that of a whining crybaby
> This thread is now about wtfux/iichan merge again.
Ah, the neverending battle between the anonymous internet tough guys and the elitist tripcode faggots.
Well, have fun with that.
State of the thread:
Admins:
Both have been pretty reasonable, although cho0b couldn't resist the dig at the Anonymous troll.
Winner: Lain.
Trolls:
Pretty lame. You have a minor crisis here, with heightened emotions on both sides, and the best both sides can do are the blunt insults and obvious digs? Come on.
Winner: No one.
Reasonable people:
I think most people are just afraid their happy, known culture will be uprooted. Based on what I've seen so far, I doubt a full merge is going to work. A separate presence is possible, but a little sad. If Lain or someone else could give some good reasons or methods for a fuller merge?
Your trolls started it by bashing WTFux. This "merger" simply won't work, IMO.
Yeah well, if you have a point to make about which statement was wrong or insulting or whatever you were and still are free and welcome to do so objectively by simply adressing the statement made.
Blanket threats of "YOU ARE GOING TO GET TROLLED! HARD!" or lashing out against a certain type of poster which is accepted on here (whether you like that or not) is not helping anyone in this issue.
I don't see a problem with iichan and wtfux merging.
If wtfux doesn't have the resources to run the place any longer, and we have spare resources, why not take wtfux boards on and save them. After all, distributing spare resources is what WAKAchan was all about.
I agree with the merge of wtfux into iichan.
> After all, distributing spare resources is what WAKAchan was all about.
True, however, there have always been boards that were ruled out by the admins, most notably some burichan boards (R.I.P.).
I also remember a little fight/misunderstanding between Lain & BlackMage about whether pics of underage women were allowed to be posted on the Sexy Women board.
Just saying this to point out that it's not always just been a matter of "okay hay let's host everybody here, cool". As funny as that would be.
WTFUX = cool guys
IICHAN = introverted geeks
discussion is over
Perhaps this discussion could be moved to iichan, it dosn't seem like a suitable topic here. 4-ch.net has nothing to do with either parties, people, tripcodes and trolls.
I like how 4-ch is slowly moving away from all this Wapanese bullshit, the last thing we need is to be bombarded with the scourge of wtfux.
>>108
Agreed on the move to the actual iichan discussion boards.
However, Lain seems to regard this as the "official" place to talk about the whole shebang.
Lain should fix his boards and make a new thread there IMHO.
i guess i dont mind as long as it doesnt negatively impact /neko/.
NO MERGER. Rate of retarded posts would go through the roof because of WTFux.
WTFUX = Retarded SA goons wannabes
IICHAN = Zen
merge would be quite good...it could bring more ppl to post on the boards
I seriously believe that most people who think that wtfux users are just gonna invade all the iichan boards and post unrelated crap would see that if they took ONE visit to wtfux, they'd see that they don't even do that on their own boards. It really does imply that the average anonymous iichan user is an introverted geek.
It's fine the way it is already, so why change anything? Don't merge.
> they'd see that they don't even do that on their own boards.
That wouldn't make any sense anyway, now would it? The GNAA doesn't shitflood their own sites either...
PS: UNBAN ZIMMY!
The way things are probably going forward is that iichan is going to host the jist of wtfux's boards, and -maybe- link to them off the sidebar.
The way I personally would have liked for it to have gone was to eliminate redundant boards, and relegate half that obscure shit you -2 people out there who have suddenly become 2000 anonymouses with similar IP's like to a place similar to the adult section, an area where nobody really goes to unless they are specifically looking for it. But I should note I have no official sway in the descisions of either iichan admins or wtfux admins.
This is like Playboy and The Watchtower merging. One has fewer resources and lots of readers and the other has resources and is thrown away as soon you find it stuffed between your screen door and your regular door.
Um, OK, so that's not a flattering comparison, but the point is that the two "communities" are too disimilar to merge. It's like Dick Cheney asking everyone at the White House to go to his lesbian daughter's gay wedding. Very, very uncomfortable for everyone involved.
If this ungodly union should take place, can those in charge please make it appear as if it didn't? Keep the domain names separate and don't merge the side bars!
As long as you don't touch the furi/ board, I'm fine with it.
The board itself only attracts a few retards, and the only ones that detract from what I enjoy from the board are those that go "you jack off to animal penises! lolz!!!1!one" aka teh furry h8terz. I can't even start to mention any furry that visit other boards to make mischief because I stay where I belong, though I wish that the few that do detract from other board viewers' peace and calm on their boards don't negatively reflect the entire "furry" community. Okay- I've said my piece. Sup cho0by-dooby-do?
Also: Trying to re-create someone else's site is probably a bad idea, as is just trying to bash two sites together, but providing some sort of refugee shelter for those who lost their site isn't too bad an idea, and for all us waps I could note that it is something that Futaba's done in the past, too.
well look. i'd rather not see a merger because i don't want to lose wtfux. i mean i think a merger would be a decent idea (less work on both sides). BUT< i think this merger ould have to be an equal merger to work effectively.
shit, dave.
SORRY DAVE :(
I suppose the thread is over.
Feel free to continue all discussion about wtfux and iichan on http://nub.iichan.net/wtfux/index.html or http://dis.wakachan.net/wcd/index.html
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Finally, it will fade away!
Merger sounds good to me. Just don't delete the hccp boards.
All of you need to STFU.
This is gonna happen, but I hope that we dont get fucking restricted to what we can do and start getting an influx of teenybopper drama that has plagued iichan since thock left.
Which is why I left. Two people I can name, but I wont are who I wanted to get away from.
If I start seeing threads getting deleted from /cams/ for no real good reason other than some asshole mod trying to keep the wtfux people "in line" for some stupid ass reason. there is going to be hell.
My thing is, keep the parts that wtfux has different separate from
iichan's.
like /cams/ leave all moderation to wtfux mods and admins so we end up not getting kicked off and iichan controlling everything.
> teenybopper drama that has plagued iichan since thock left.
lol oldskool myths
personally... i respect cho0b and his decisions. i'm a big mooch, and i do a lot of anonymous trolling. i'm from 5chan, and migrated to iichan when 5chan died... and from there i became a 4chan /b/tard [and still am today.] i hold a personal record of being banned and unbanned 10+ times from 4chan. when cho0b started #/b/ i was behind him in support... when he started wtfux i was behind him in support... and with the merger i'm still behind him in support... and anal sex.
i agree with shadowpillar, wtfux is a sacred banned [intentional] camp from other image boards, a refuge for the confused, and a place to go to just to waste time. i liked it because it was laid back and i didn't have to worry about mods fucking with any of the stuff i did.
the merger worrys me because iichan has always been elitist... and i fear the elitism will continue or even fester and grow worse if iifucks happens.
so uh,
that's my two cents
i hope things work out for the best
and i'll contribute to my best ability
<3 washermachine#hahaha
p.s. the camwhore board is the heart and soul of wtfux.
don't mess with it.
don't worry about it.... iichan eats wtfux, end of story, it's over, wtfux is gone iichan kills us, end of story. cho0b was an idiot for trusting lain with us, like lain said himself, it's nothing more then a PR ploy, he want to stir up contraversy, he did it, he also killed a site in the process, I hope you are fucking happy lain!
W/e give me the new url so I can start spamming again. I AM FOR THIS DONT DIE LIKE MOOT
WE ARE GATHERED HERE TO WITNESS THE SHOTGUN WEDDING OF IICHAN & WTFUX
but seriously, it's not like this unification thing is permanent or anything, the minority that doesn't like it will just move on to somewhere else which seems to be what usually happens under these circumstances (hint hint nudge wink)
>>106 I know it's not that simple... I am the admin for five of the iichan boards and when it was WAKAchan, there were discussions about whether my boards should be part of WAKAchan or not...
But I do think WTFux has some decent boards. The cam board is the mainstay of WTFux and we here at iichan have nothing like it. So, why not let it live here? (This is coming from someone who doesnt even use the cam board, but does think the idea is good).
There are a lot of board themes that both parties have in common currently. Therefore, some of the change-over would be pain free.
wtfux is a retarded real-life pedophile den
I'm loving this merger already!
Finally /a/ is about anime and not a pedololifapping wannabe /c/
my vote would be for no merger mostly because I am British and thus fear change. Also because I came back to iichan today after a week long leave of absence and the changes pizzed me off some. It seemd to have gone from "random" to just plain "retarded" plus I didn't recognise ANY names, except for about one post by Dawbis. Plus I don't want to run the risk of logging on and seeing any cp/loli posted by attention seeking trolls.
and that was my two cents.
I'm not too sure about this. While I would normally welcome more traffic (and thus postings) to iichan, I don't think that WTFux is the place to draw said traffic from. It seems to me that WTFux is more along the 'funny comment' side of the spectrum, while iichan is on the other.
>>113
Really? Take a look at the Anime section of the WTFux boards. On the first page alone there are the following threads:
http://wtfux.org/anime/kareha.pl/1127260393/
http://wtfux.org/anime/kareha.pl/1124102816/
http://wtfux.org/anime/kareha.pl/1120241041/
All three of those threads are choked full of this "unrelated crap".
8( I'm like the last wtfuxer to post here.
>>144 I THINK YOUR FACE WONT DRAW ANY TRAFFIC. BA-ZING!
8( I'm like the last wtfuxer to post here.
>>144 I THINK YOUR FACE WONT DRAW ANY TRAFFIC. BA-ZING!
If the Real Fetish and Niche Anime boards get more posts, then a merger would be great. 's all I care about.
Still don't think we should have Furry or Camwhore boards, though. At the very least, put them under a DQN tab or something so I can forget they're there.
Hey, I've seen wtfux since the first day it started - shit I even have my own board on the page and mod a few others. I have 0% problem with this merger, because the other option is death. I don't feel like reading every post on this page right now (need to go pick up takeout chinese in five minutes) so I'll just say
WELL HEY YOU NIGGERS, LET'S DO THIS IT'LL BE FUN LOL
THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM THE ASSOCIATION OF WTFUXIAN INTERNET PEDOPHILES. WE WILL NOT STAND FOR YOUR SNACKERY AND AIDS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR VALUED ATTN.
I don't approve because as I can already see in this thread, there's some tension. Yes, there's a lot of mature and easy going people but they're easily overshadowed by the fact that there's people out there who are going to say and do bad things.
wtfux introduced me to imageboards so for it to merge is like something disappearing because it's not going to be the same. Billy's made his choice and though I'm not for it but he and I are friends and not just lol internet buddies so I see no use in trying to start a big fight about it. (DRAAAAMAAAA)
Though I did have fun trolling in #iichan last night.
OH SHI- <3
LOL I VOTE YUS AS A MOD ON WTFUX
IT WILL BE FUN TROLLING YOU...THIS IS ALL
ALSO IICHAN HAS AIDS
Cams was pretty part of iichan already (or at least a part of wakachan, since it's listed as one of the boards. )
I've never really posted at wtfux much since, much like their site name, it was just sort of not my taste.
Though I wouldn't be against it AS LONG AS THE WAKACHAN.ORG SIDEBAR STAYS SORT OF THE SAME BUT PERHAPS WITH THE ADDITION OF NEW BOARDS.
Hello, I'm Patrick Benware. You might know me from such films as 'Camwhoring on /b/!' and 'Camwhoring on wtfux!' and also 'Moderating the /gaming/ board!' I'm here to officially support this merger and to say that I don't really know liljenny, they just showed up the other day and started eating my chips and I was all "Hey, those are my chips." and then they took out a very big knife and kinda gave me a look so I decided I was just going to let liljenny do whatever liljenny wanted to do.
Further, I don't like trolling. And yeah, rock on with this sweet merget music.
> 120gb a month and and the number is still going up
WTFux is supposed to bring more posters, yet the entire site only uses 120GB a month? That's a pittance...
I don't care one way or the other if WTFux and IIchan merge.However, up until now most of the posters in the niche boards I run have behaved in a mature manner. I hope this won't change.
This is what happens when a handful of IRC visitors think they're the majority. They get friendly and close, bond with one another, then think they're everything, forgetting the many people who don't care to idle in an Internet room and chat, chat, chat. Seriously, I'm betting most lurkers and others who actually make up most of the traffic have no idea who most of the tripcoders in this thread are.
Pushing unnecessary concepts such as "community" and "camaraderie" only leads to everything getting torn apart by those close people, ruining it for the majority who are outside of the clique.
>>You will be trolled. Hard and long with a huge cock.
>>I'm only trolling in retaliation.
>>IT WILL BE FUN TROLLING YOU...THIS IS ALL
This sort of... garbage sullies the good name of "Internet troll." Try again, kids.
Look at this shitstorm that all the tripfags are posting. Just shows the quality of WTFUX. Please, for the sake of everyone move to http://nub.iichan.net/wtfux/index.html for this discussion!
Well if it be needed to keep things going then fine,I just hope it don't change things too much...other then that-might be fun.
Protips for future people picking mods:
-Don't be intoxicated when picking mods.
-Chances are if you're just making someone a mod because they're your friend, they're gonna be a shitty mod.
-If chosen mods decide to censor (delete) people's posts or unjustly ban people, thats a good time to take away their moderator privilages.
Don't make the same mistakes that 4chan made. Don't make the same mistakes that wtfux recently proved to have made.
Of course! Instead of taking advice from people who have contributed for a long period of time let's listen to some newbie lurkers that only deign to post to complain!
Iron.clad.logic.
Your misplaced democratic ideals dont mean shit in here, only the higher ups get a say. If you're not part of the clique it's because you're not interesting enough to be in there in the first place.
Omg I so should have gone to wtfux after snacks's fagottry, iichan is so freaking emo.
> Your misplaced democratic ideals dont mean shit in here
> WTFux/IICHAN merger democratic forum
PS: This thread is not about dissing posting with names/tripcodes nor dissing anonymous posting.
The problem i've always seen with IIChan since it's rebirthen is the lack of an awesome community like that it had back before it died last year. As nobo put it /b is just processed 2ch garbage now, where in the past it was actually really comparable and sometimes better than 4chan's /b. The rest of IIChan is mostly just Sling posting on the anime boards (suck it), and those who are dedicated to the niche boards. The IIFux idea can only bring good things in making IIChan cooler than 4chan again.
I, Dunkinbean, pledge allegiance to this merger.
I've been on 4chan /b/ and since December 2003 and iichan /b/ since forever and I can say the latter was NEVER better than the former. It always lacked the same activity, the only thing that made and makes 4chan /b/ an entertaining place.
Anyhow - none of the wtfuxers really care about any of the stuff that is present on iichan. None of them care about "animu" or any of the niche stuff present on iichan. I don't see what any of them could bring to iichan but I don't see how it matters, either, because as I see it we are not talking about a single portal for both sites anymore and apart from that, both sides of the internet are free places, both parties can already post at both sites so why bother forcing them together anyway?
key word my friends COMPROMISE, no merger should be without it. For us who lurk it dont matter if iichan merges w/ wtfux, the important thing is we get what we want, can mods handle that? I mean imagine how many troll (on moderated boards) supposedly your going to ban. Believe me get real tiring fast. Even in this thread alone i could see few mod deletes
zimmy approves.
i fully approve of the merger
just try not to hate on us pedos, iichan
I dont know what WTF...thing is. But I love IdleChan, and as long as it doesn' change negatively, I'll go with the merger.
"internet culture" lmao this shit sux i'll play FFXI 24/7 then see ya
I aprove of this merger, we can help each other out here. we need more band width and you guys need a spark to get things going again. so lets try to comprimise here rather then unreasonably bickering. also I am sorry to both comunitys for being a complete ass last night I am not usualy that muxh of an idiot
sorry, the >>144 was an accident, I was not replying to that post at all
>>1-172
Goddamn that's a lot of words about a very unimportant topic. Could I get a summary?
also iichan needs a loli board and appreciation for guro cat and dick floods
Just to chime in here, I am wholeheartedly against this thing. I left iichan a while ago for a good reason and have no desire whatsoever to return to those parts.
I was - and still am - interested in knowing just how much I'd have to shell out per month to keep WTFux separate. $200? $300?
ALSO: I think that most of these posts should be thrown out as not being the opinions of "iichan and WTFux moderators, as well as VIP's and general users of both communities." (I interpret general users quite specifically as those who have been with a community for some time and whose voice would be one which actually should matter - eg if Kihei posted something it would not merit the weight of a post by one of the moderators) Furthermore, people who can't form a fucking sentence should perhaps be overlooked. This unintentionally miserable grammar is getting to me a little.
Of course, having said this, I don't know what the merger entails, except that there is already a #wtfux on zirc owned by someone who has a parody of Bill's name, that the iichan mods are widely known to be faggots and drooling retards, and that the users are even worse, if possible.
I'd like to take time to respond to each and every poorly-formulated post in this moronic oversized thread, but I have neither the time nor the inclination, and, to be quite frank, most of you aren't even worth it.
you could run your own wtfux if you want _ns but don't expect anyone to come. none of us like you, you are just as anoying as wtsnacks. and we won't miss you.
>I think that most of these posts should be thrown out as not being the opinions of "iichan and WTFux moderators, as well as VIP's and general users of both communities
ummm look at the posts man, you will see that most of the prominent wtfuxorz and iichaners have posted, even cho0b has posted here, so stfu if you don't know what you are talking about, I resect most of the people at wtfux but I and a large number of other wtfuxorz think that your constant whining and bickering as well as banning users from chat for no reason what so ever is trite and stupid. no one cares if you don't join us, you are just a stupid bitter mod, now go away please
lol at that arguement being null and void
>where in the past it was actually really comparable and >sometimes better than 4chan's /b.
So iichan use to have a penis in every other post as well?
I don't like Wapanese but whatever
do what you thinks best, besides if people mis behave then the moderators will be busy, besides more people is always better on a board
>>Instead of taking advice from people who have contributed for a long period of time let's listen to some newbie lurkers that only deign to post to complain!
>>If you're not part of the clique it's because you're not interesting enough to be in there in the first place.
Yeah, that's the kind of attitude I meant. It's pretty silly to think that someone is a newbie just because he's chosen not to sit in an IRC channel and chat with some Internet buddyroos. You still fail to understand that the you're only a handful of the total population.
It's fine if you want to go on IRC and chat, but what goes on with the people there always, always finds a way to cross over and poison the site and those who don't give a shit about it.
who the hell said a damn thing about going onto chat rooms, being active in the comunity does not equal going onto IRC rooms, and why shouldn't those that go out of thier way to contribute to the site have more respect then those that just sit around and whine about not being treated fairly. You are the one being rediculiouse here. Plus this thread isn't about whether you feel "wanted" or "needed" it is about posting your opinion on wether you want iichan to merge with wtfux. The only person I have seen so far saying that "unimportan people's"(what ever the fuck that might mean) opinions don't matter is _ns and he is just a wtsnacks on more drugs so don't pay any attention to him. If I am not mistaken both iichan and wtfux wants everyone's opinions, we don't care about names or status. So if you have something to say about that then say it. If you don't then gtfo
Unlike other places, just about every "troll" I saw there had a name and a trip. I like that, cause then I can go "oh that's just x being a goonie". Would you rather be annoyed by the constant asshole with no name? Seriously.
hint: lurkers aren't contributors. contributors make the majority of the community, because lurkers aren't part of the community. They're just weirdo's outside the fence and if that offends you, fuck yourself kindly :B
That brings me to another point, >>185 is correct, that some anonymous users are possibly longtime contributors. Here's the problem -- there is no way of knowing for sure which anonymous who votes ye or nay is actually a contributor, or just a loudmouthed piece of crap who never does anything for the site but will scream like a banshee should we decide to change the baby's formula. Therefore, all we are left with to determine who's opinion is worth pondering over (and to what gravity), is users who have had a name which we can associate with a mod or VIP. This, of course, gets a lot of resentment from some anonymous users, but once again, how can we know which ones are actually worthy of complaining, and who contribute nothing?
Hereby requesting list of the mods/vip's who voiced their opinion, and whether it was for or against. too lazy to do it himself
Against.
this just in:
we are not merging
iichan is helping wtfux to stay afloat
lain is not good at making news posts
>>187
if by name and trip you mean soviet russia#deadjew then yeah
> Would you rather be annoyed by the constant asshole with no name? Seriously.
How about just being cool enough to not give a shit either way?
> Here's the problem -- there is no way of knowing for sure which anonymous who votes ye or nay is actually a contributor, or just a loudmouthed piece of crap who never does anything for the site but will scream like a banshee should we decide to change the baby's formula. Therefore, all we are left with to determine who's opinion is worth pondering over (and to what gravity), is users who have had a name which we can associate with a mod or VIP.
That's a pretty dumb way to look at things. Anonymous users make up the majority of iichan contributors. Just because you are more willing to pay more attention to names and tripcodes than eloquently worded opinions doesn't really mean that's really all you are left with.
> This, of course, gets a lot of resentment from some anonymous users, but once again, how can we know which ones are actually worthy of complaining, and who contribute nothing?
You could just read what's being written and then consider whether that's a justified opinion or not. If you cannot do that then you have some problem with this type of software and the functionalities it provides which is kind of sad, actually.
And resentment is also coming from me. lol resentment.
>WTFux and IICHAN != iiFUX - Posted 7:50PM EST, September 25th, 2005 by Lain (more liek lame amirite)
>WTFux and IICHAN aren't going to "merge" and become "iiFUX" like some people keep thinking it will. IICHAN will help WTFux stay afloat with technical support and linking of sites and such. Share ideas, and become a sort of coalition.
Thank you for telling me all about what your plans are before you told anyone else.
>cho0b, WTFux's manager, has been overrun by the popularity of his site and needed help to keep it going. So he came to us, since we like helping people. IICHAN will remain IICHAN, and WTFux will remain WTFux, but there will be collaboration between us to make both sites better, and remain alive.
iichan came to me, I did not goto iichan.
>In response to the OMG MERGER OMG post I made two days ago, it was half-premature, half-planned. I didn't know the exact details of the "merger" between IICHAN and WTFux, but knew I may as well start the PR shitstorm early and get it out of the way. Now the plans between WTFux and IICHAN are pretty much finalized, and we've agreed not to become a single site.
Lain I understand that you may have not had much of an understanding as to what was going on, but what you did was very shitty. A 'PR shitstorm,' as you call it, is just you getting the hopes up of a lot of people and then going "lol, just kidding."
What the hell plans between WTFux and IICHAN have been finalized? I've had zero communication with any of the IICHAN moderators/admins about anything that's going on about any of this. I haven't agreed to anything and I think that you saying that I did is very rude.
>Sorry for all the drama, but I have to keep things interesting. Right?
Yeah, thanks for keeping everything interesting.
Thanks but no thanks, I'm out of here.
. . . . o o o o o _____ o _______ ____==== ]OO|_n_n__][. |wtfux|[________]_|__|________)< |bitch| oo oo 'oo OOOO-| oo\\_ ~~~|~~~XD
cho0b, come back to #iichan. We'll talk and come to a unified understanding. Things have been too crazy and I was asked by BlackMage to make an "official statement" on the frontpage.
well looks like I saw what was heppening correctly in the first place... Oh well, this prety much sucks....
lol
zounds! Something is rotten in denmark! I've also heard 0% of what's going on, which is no biggie but this seems quite strange!
also
penis penis penis penis penis penis
don't worry about it, all that happened was the following, the merger fell apart, lain went onto the news board and posted crap he had no business saying to pretend he had athority when he had no clue what was going on cho0b got pissed, there is the simple explination, so all this crap just to find out nothing has changed
lol, internet drama
To sum up this whole thing up: Lain made a big deal out of something small, exaggerated it, and in the end caused the downfall of it.
IMO, none of this democratic "post if you hate the idea" shit is needed since, as I see it, it was suppose to be simply iichan helping a friend.
The decision should have affected both parties of users minimally, if pulled off right.
Here's how I think iichan/wtfux should proceed, if both admin parties a willing:
IIchan should host all/most/some of the boards specific to wtfux. That's all. Just the boards that aren't on iichan already. (perhaps with the exception of some of them)
For the boards that iichan/wakachan already has, just let wtfux link to them as their own. (mp3, torrents, anime, etc)
That way, those boards will get more traffic, like lain seems to want.
Lastly, some of the new, wtfux boards can be linked from the iichan/wakachan portals. Since wakachan is an open community anyway, and iichan are now hosting wtfux, and might find some of those boards beneficial now, anyway. (such as the fact that wakachan's yaoi is dead now, anyway)
But, those are just my suggestions.
-Random Anonymous
It's unfortunate that these mergers have to start with such inequality between the two parties. From the looks of it, I don't think WTFux has much of an alternative. This makes for poor bargaining, on both sides.
And I STILL haven't heard why you can't just throw them in the sidebar and end it.
Check the front page, people.
> why you can't just throw them in the sidebar and end it.
If cho0b gives permission, then I don't see why not. I've wanted to do this for some time to the wakachan.org sidebar. /cams/ has been linked for a while, but nobody knew what its status was since cho0b never said yay or nay.
It's unfortunate the way this has been handled. I suspect that there will be some degree of integration eventually, since that's the nature of the beast, but the drama was unnecessary.
Holy shit I read it all
And I still don't know what the fuck is going on*. Guess it must be one of these YOU HAD TO BE THERE AND 24/7 IN LIKE THREE PLACES SIMULTANEOUSLY thing. lawl.
*Aside from the usual TRIPCODE versus ANONYMOUS.
lol yay
Also man o mystery, my gripe was mainly with unintelligent people casting their votes like so many sperm on the wind; if I don't know them to be smarat and they don't prove it in a post, I don't want to count that vote! Not that it's anything more than an academic issue at this point.
>The only person I have seen so far saying that "unimportan >people's"(what ever the fuck that might mean) opinions don't >matter is _ns and he is just a wtsnacks on more drugs so don't >pay any attention to him.
lol whining about getting banned from an IRC server for 3 minutes this one time is not a good way to make people on the internet respect you.
Fun fact: I have UNbanned more people from the drama facroty than I have ever banned.
Fun fact #2: Since WTFux is actively against the banning process, nobody has EVER been banned from the website. Thanks, Bill! Because of this, the IRC has become a ghetto banning device. It's not a real ban from the community, it's almost always a 2-4 minute ordeal, and is generally warranted (ie, you made me angwy!~! LOL)
fun fact- i love you noskills
>It's not a real ban from the community, it's almost always a 2-4 minute ordeal, and is generally warranted (ie, you made me angwy!~! LOL)
>matter is _ns and he is just a wtsnacks on more drugs so don't >pay any attention to him.
too lazy to go find my tripcode
look at the new iichan news page, ignore everything you have yeard until now.
short ver:
lain is dqn.
wtfux is falling down.
iichan has spare bandwidth.
iichan wants to help.
it's not as interesting as some people want to make it.
God, you guys are making the biggest deal out of a stupid little imgboard assist.
Why does this thread even exist, it's not like you're going to tally up every person's vote and the compare the two sides to make a decision and secondly, since we're not merging anyway, what is the point?
If you want anyone to support giant mergers or whatever the hell else, you need to get your shit straight and stop spreading misinformation just to "get attention lol"
Sometimes I get so sick of this imageboard drama. I'm gonna go listen to linkin park now.
> what is the point?
I think we all just needed confirmation that Lain is dumb.
itd be cool if it happened, more people on a board is always great
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Haha fuck wtfux they're just lame 4chan copycats
posting in a dead thread, wishing it were still bumpable
OH GOD IICHAN IS FUCKING RETARDED OH GOD OH GOD SO IS EVERY OTHER WEBSIGHT>>>> :{(((((
what the fuck dude cho0b needs a fuckin' job or some shit. fuck this. jamiroquai rocks, that is all.
I DISAGREE YOU FRENCH FAGGOTS
wow, looking back at this, almost everyone involved are a bunch of retards, namely the iichan camp.
that's why the merger never happened (that and cho0b trolling you :P)
I think this is a great idea, iichan merge with wtfux now, I comand it, and you have to listen for I am moot
HOLY FUCK THIS IS STILL GOING GOD DAMN WHAT A BUNCH OF QUEERS.
Kas is cia esanciu suprantat lietuviskai ?? Jauciu niekas nesuprantat...Kaip zvengas mane imtu jei jus apsisiktumete visi vienoje vietoje :D
Kas is cia esanciu suprantat lietuviskai ?? Jauciu niekas nesuprantat...Kaip zvengas mane imtu jei jus apsisiktumete visi vienoje vietoje :D
what does this buttan do
Thank you very much for your great website
ranta tan tan or whatever
general now has exactly 420 threads lol
>>236-239 what are you testing?
>Wanna know why I brang a shitstorm upon myself? Attention! The only fucking way I can get anyones attention these days is to make a scene.
>WTFux and IICHAN will not merge until a proper democratic decision has been made by the majority of iichan and WTFux moderators, as well as VIP's and general users of both communities.
>Discuss here, comrades.
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⠀⠀⠀⢠⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡆⣠⠀⢠⠀⠀⠀⠉⠉⠉⠉⠛⠒⠚⠀⠀⠸⡍⠉⠋⠚⠛⠷⠆⡁⠆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠑⡄⠀⠀⠀⣧⣿⡠⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡴⠉⠠⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⢢⠠⠈⢰⠀⠀⢡⡂⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⠀⠀⠸⢿⣷⠁⣄⠀⠀⠆⢠⠎⠀⢏⡁⠀⣀⠀⠀⠀⣾⡀⢠⠀⣆⢈⠾⢳⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⡇⡶⠏⡀⠘⡀⠧⢿⣠⣤⣶⣶⣶⣶⣾⣏⣀⢫⠊⣷⡝⠿⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡆⠀⢷⣾⡿⢛⠫⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡏⠸⣾⡻⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⢰⡷⣭⣼⡜⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⢀⣠⡼⠙⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⡸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠙⣾⣎⡛⣿⠿⠿⡟⠛⠽⢤⣧⣷⠻⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠘⠀⠀⠀⠀⡠⠄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⠻⠙⠻⠼⠷⡷⠒⠦⠚⠏⠛⠧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠠⠤⠬⠀⠀⠀⢠⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠤⠤⠤⠤⠤⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
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