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4-ch is supposed to be simple and anonymous. Tripcodes are only fine in small doses. Everybody is supposed to be anonymous. 2ch style static web pages >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> web2.0 epilleptic seizures. sage goes in every field.
The world does not need more WEB TWO POINT OH. No tag clouds in my 4-ch please.
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We have to admit 4-ch is failing, I have a feeling to much of the user base just comes here because it's based off of a site that is popular in Japan. We are suppose to be about English culture, I don't mind animu discussion just at least talk about something to do with your own culture as well. But this isn't the only site where Anonymous culture is dying in the western world. 4chan has turned into complete shit, same is slowly happening to 7chan.
Yeah I know we've had this discussion before but I'm not seeing improvement, but I guess this cancer is incurable.
>>25
It's failing, but It's only incurable if you don't do anything about it.
A good start would be to rejig the front page and explain why an anonymous BBS is better than a named one. That above quote by the chan creator explains it well. Currently anyone coming to 4-ch sees a bare front page that just says 'anonymous discussion'. That is all. What they're not told is anonymous discussions are better. So link to the US media reports of 2ch which are pretty positive. Include the above quote. Try and get the numbers back and get a bit of press. How about a little showmanship? At the moment, the 4-ch powers-that-be aren't even trying.
Unmoderated 4chan has really gone to hell. If anyone goes there first, they'll get turned off immediately.
> Unmoderated 4chan has really gone to hell.
Idiot...
You don't know the history of 4chan.. I DO!
I see so much potential for this board, but not enough people post to make it really worthwhile to stick around.
There's interest in english-language anonymous messageboards, 4chan has proven that.
If only more people found their way here, it could be a pretty addicting board =\
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I'm all for more people but we don't want 4chan style shittiness here.
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> Unmoderated 4chan has really gone to hell
My first link to 4chan (shortly after it started) was to the poop ice cream flavors pic.
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>>33
Go back to 4chan, you can probably make your jeepers shit a meme there if you post it enough. None of us think you're clever or funny here.
ITT, we talk about our high standards here at 4-ch. LULZ.
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I think the problem is that the board members have too narrow of interests. I've tried a few times to post news items that aren't Japan-related. No one replies to them. Post something remotely Japanese, and the board lights up like Christmas.
Now, I like Japan, Japanese culture, Anime and all that, but it seems that most people here have no interest in anything beyond their Japanophilia. More people would visit if we had news dicussions about Iraq, the Presidential Elections, technology, American TV, Science Fiction (the real stuff -- Isimov, Clarke, and Heinlin). Instead, we get Japan, Japan, Japan -- and not even a braod discussion of Japanese culture -- It's Japanese pop-culture -- anime, games, and occasionally politics. Why would anyone without a Japan Fetish bother?
I don't think it's the set-up. Slashdot is similar in look, and in allowing random anonymous troll posts. But Slashdot has something 4-ch doesn't -- content that people want to read. Slashdot covers everything technology and a lot of interesting stories in which politics crosses the path of technology. Sites like Daily Kos or Free Republic allow pretty free reign in dicussion of politics, so if you want to follow that, you go there. We have ... Japan. I live in America, for the most part Japan is just a place that makes Anime and Video Games.
If you want 4-ch to grow, get more interesting content. I don't think we'll devolve to troll-land, if the content is smart, people will comment more intelligently.
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I agree, but one of the main reasons for japnanophiles dominating this board is due to the lack of fame of 4ch. For example, the only reason I found about this board is because I watched Densha Otoko, and although I like anime, I am by no means in love with Japan. As a result, other than Romance and Personal Issues, nothing much holds my attention here.
Perhaps, instead of having 'Politics, News, Sports', there could be a list of nations ( America, Japan, UK, etc). You click on that and are given a devolved list of 'Politics, news, sport etc). It would be more personal, and less of a joke than it is now.
Saying that, I find 4ch a wonderfully relaxed site. Although it isn't busy all the time, most topics will get lots of replies in time, and they are serious and often helpful replies.
>I think the problem is that the board members have too narrow of interests. I've tried a few times to post news items that aren't Japan-related. No one replies to them. Post something remotely Japanese, and the board lights up like Christmas.
I enjoy most reading most of the news posted on the iichan news board, and I usually replied when that dude used to post here.
>More people would visit if we had news dicussions about Iraq, the Presidential Elections, technology, American TV, Science Fiction
Technology, definitely. American TV and Science Fiction, maybe.
I hate news on Iraq and the elections, though. I'm a geek, I don't need politics and quite frankly, I'm tired of them.
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I actually thought it was funny when saw it. :p
My point is that 4chan was always shit, though.
The 4chan/n/ imageboard news channel isn't that bad. Plenty of name calling, trolls, but a fair bit of discussion is sensible. It does show it can be done.
Why so much J-stuff? 2ch and densha otoko means people with a casual interest in Japan have heard about it. Joe six pack on your other hand hasn't. Get some publicity in the American media and you'll do better. Basically: do something other than navel gazing and sobbing "why".
I'd be in favor of spliting /news/ and /politics/ by country if there were enough news/politics items to make it worthwhile.
For example, I'd love to split politics into American, British, Japanese, maybe Asia, Africa, and Europe (by the time you get to political news from Zimbabwe, I think the audience shrinks to 1 -- if that. The problem is that right now the only news that really gets attention is news from Japan. We replaced the British PM last summer, nary a peep. Abe quits and we had a thread within hours. The same with politics -- most of the time the stuff getting attention are issues about Japan -- and what they think of Koreans. We have debates about Japanese racism, but very little about the US, Britian, Europe etc.
Until there's substantial content about American or British issues, there's no point in separating the boards. They'd sit idle for months.
I don't think it's the media, just various forums would probably be enough. But what would draw people to a place like 4-ch is that it has interesting topics and articles that simply cannot be found elsewhere. If we somehow got the scoop on a major movie before the media, that would get some interest. If we could find some experts on a topic that people want to know about that would get interest. LULZ Digimon will not.
Well, personally, I believe I'm responsible for at least 60% of the new threads in "News". Nobody posts there, so I just post the news articles I find off of Japanese newspapers, because I read Japanese news, am interested in it, and I figure a few people here might be as well. Dunno why there isn't more News posting.
I like this site because it's so low-profile it's not blocked at my work, haha.
As for the "lot of Japanese stuff" issue, since it's sorta based off 2ch, we actually get a lot of Japanese posters and trolls.
As long as we have Emergency Mittens in DQN, 4-ch is a success.
It would be nice if this place was more active but I don't want us to have to change it.
The Japanese trolls and nida threads are one of the reasons I come here.
And so what if it's Wapanese?
This place is made of win and gold.
We shouldn't have to change for anyone.
I'm not saying don't post Japanese stuff. I like the Japanese stuff myself, but I want to see other things as well. I might try cross posting from BBC or something, but I don't think this place can reach a wider audience simply by posting Japanese stuff and nothing else.
I don't mind Japanese posters, and some trolls are funny. I get that 4-ch is based off 2-ch. Not much trouble from me. But if you want to be the American 2-ch, I think you need more American and British News, Maybe Europe and Asia. Not that you can't have Japanese if you want it, just that you'd get a bigger crowd for having a wider selection of things to read.
Otherwise, this board is and will remain a backwater.
Well, it's encouraging that the Japanese version of 4-ch isn't any more popular than its English-speaking counterpart.
At least it isn't regular 4Chon with all the retarded posters and abuse.
An experiment in what? Turning me into a weeaboo? Cuz if that was the point, it sure fucking worked.
If weeaboo were a pokemon, what would he say?
Write a Greasemonkey Firefox script (if you don't know what this is stop reading) to take any 4chan.org page, delete all posts with the words fag/nigger/jew/f###, and it'll look just like 4-ch but with more people. (Hint: Imageboards are better. If you did this to a textboard page would be nothing left.)
There are a lot of people on 4chan. It can be done.
> There are a lot of people on 4chan. It can be done.
Sure, all that needs to be done is add image boards. For porn.
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Their news textboard is psycho. Their news imageboard is almost serious and pretty much porn free.
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Idea: 4-ch archives all forums that haven't been posted in 30 days. Only romance+personals survive. At least newbs wouldn't be put off by looking into 30 dead forums before they find them. Oh yeah and this.
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No, bad!
I'd rather have dead forums than just active forums of topics not relevant to my interests, THAT would put me off. I'm hardly unique either.
>>63
But they're dead, Jim. No one reads them. Archive them, and if you want reactivate them. Trouble is leaving all those dead forums up there makes people think the site is dead. It'd take a persistent newcomer to find the ones that are still active.
>>64
Isn't it just better to indicate the last date someone posted anything in the board list? Either by symbol (color/icon code) or by actually putting dates there.
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If they're sorted in order perhaps - newest to oldest with date? Whatever it is, just a way we can let n00bs know where the action is. Like arriving at a party at a three-hundred room mansion. There is a party in four rooms, but after ten empty ones they get bored and go.
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All posts of interest all should read.
I like japan, too, but god DAMN! Seriously, guys. Get out of your "I'm-an-otaku-so-I'm-Japanese-and-give-a-shit-about-everything-in-japanese-pop-culture"
mindset. I did. I enjoy anime, I enjoy some J-pop occasionally, I enjoy rice sometimes, I want to try riceballs, even mochi (the sticky rice treat), and I read manga... I'm American, though. I'm not lying to myself. WHile I'm not exactly proud of my country at the moment, I think since I live here, I might as well try to give a damn about what's going on. I don't mind a few "JAPANJAPANJAPAN" threads, either, but wake the hell up and talk about what's going on in YOUR neck of the woods.
As for moderated non-anonymous forums, I have a few of my own of those. While they're practically deserted, I understand that an aristocracy forms from the people who post more or have higher post counts or seniority. Newgrounds, I think, is the finest example of a non-anonymous aristocracy board. This can be avoided ismply if those who have seniority actually respect the others. You became popular not for acting like you're better than everyone, don't act like that now.
I apologize for any redundancies and inconsistencies, I need my sleep now.
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I agree. I wouldn't mind even creating an "Otaku" themed board for all stuff Japanese. I like Japan, really I do. I like to read stuff from Japan. What I have a problem with is that ZOMGJAPAN!!!! threads take up 90% of the news and politics sections, and almost all of the TV/Film section.
There are other places on the planet. I'd love to hear about the opinions of other people on the newest video releases. I'd like to see some news stories that occurred in places other than Japan. You know like Burma or Pakistan. You'd think that an attempted suicide bombing on a major candidate for president in Pakistan would warrent a thread. Or the crackdown on protests in Burma, maybe that warrents discussion? Or Limbaugh calling soldiers who oppose the war "fake soldiers"? Alas, it will never happen here because shock horror THEY AREN'T JAPANESE.
The same with movies. I'm following a few of them, but on 4-ch it's the same shit. If it ain't from Japan, it doesn't matter. Heros and Lost don't exist here, Battlestar Galactica doesn't exist, Ugly Betty, Boston Legal, the Office, none of it exists on this board unless it's Japanese.
I don't think its lying to yourself to like Japan and Japanese stuff. You can like whatever you want to. You can post about anything you want to. I'll never tell people not to like what they like. I like some crazy shit, so whatever.
You just can't expect people to come and contribute unless there's content that they want to read. They'd come for smart content. If we could have good coherent discussions of political issues, people would come for that. If this was a good place to come for computer help, they'd come for that. If we had lots of news stories from around the world, they'll come. They won't come to read about "Dumbass in Japan chastized for editing wikipedia while working".
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I meant lying to yourself and completely ignoring the country you live in... sorry if I was unclear.
Let's compare to 4chan.org (now down). That board seemed to have many users, disproving the "Anonymous won't work in the West" meme. There were many racists, supremacists, gun nuts, gay bashers and jail baiters there, but there were I think more normal folks. Discussions in /n/ were sometimes stupid, sometimes smart. The images posted did brighten up the conversation (a picture of Putin posing with a gun and without a shirt could sometimes make a point better than a thousand word miniessay), but the bad pron/scat/goatse/jailbait pictures some losers would post drag the concept down. Moderation did not exist on 4chan. They had rules that were never followed, but the mods would ban people for the most stupid of reasons ("Reason for Ban: EAT SH*T AND DIE!!") 4chan also got a lot of coverage in the news, good and bad, mostly bad come to think of it, but unlike shy and retiring 4ch people did know it was there.
Thoughts: Moderation can work if it's enforced. Images may be worth exploring if vigorosly policed. Anonymous boards can work in the West. 4chan was 'Japan themed' too, but very adapted to Western culture. If it can work for them it can work for 4ch too. You need a critical mass for a board: 4ch does a crap job at promoting itself. That front page needs to say WHY anonymous boards are better. And for God's sake promote: "If you build it, they will come" only works in the movies. Oh yeah and kill all those dead forums clogging up the list. Anyone clicking on three of those randomly will conclude 4ch hasn't been visited by anyone else for six months and go somewhere else.
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No killing! Just fucking add the latest date anyone has posted there under each board link.
If it had more than 5 non Otaku and Weeaboo posters, it would be much nicer.
I actually get angry when I see all of the posts.
When you're at the board listing, a good 8/10 are Japanese related.
Go to 2-ch for that.
The most annoying thing for noobs who come here is the thread list. I remember first coming here and being completely lost. It is a CHORE to read through the thread list looking for individual posts. Maybe it's easier for the Japs because their writing system is so condensed and no the thread numbers don't help. The 'All Threads' link is nice but I rarely go there, I just look at thread in the front page, ie. recently replied threads. Nicer would be the top part of the 'All Threads' page on the main threads page. Seriously, deciphering that paragraph of thread titles is HARD.
>>80
That is actually pretty true, the English Anonymous BBS software should be modified.
I don't think that 4-ch is a failure at all. I just feel like the word hasn't reached the West appropriately. The only way that I found out about 4-ch was through seeing Densha Otoko and being really intrigued by the internet chats on 2ch. Honestly I don't think that many people know what Densha Otoko is unless they like anime, and most people don't know much about 2ch. [of course I don't think that 2ch became popular because of Densha, I know its reason for becoming popular]. I personally think that this BBS would go far in the Western world if there were more advertising for it, or if there were some way to get its name out there to the public. I suppose one way would be to start using it as an advert. for other forums that we are a part of. This way people can see it as a link and click into the BBS to check it out. I didn't even know of 4chan until I was a Junior in college.
>>80
That might one reason that people say "looks complicated" and give up when I link them to http://4-ch.net. Then they go back to their comfortable PhpBB and Myspace. Ugh.
4-ch doesn't have enough Adobe® Flash BLING BLING YO.
>>88
That's the beauty of it.
Download friendly, fast and easy to post, just pure discussion.
On other forums, it takes me 10x the time it takes me to post here.
I love the anonymity. It keeps me from rejecting other people's opinions based on who they are rather than what they have to say.
MySpace is better? How anyone prefers MySpace over this is nuts.
People that prefer MySpace:
Narcissists
Sexual Predators
Whores
Rupert Murdoch
(None of these categories are by any means mutually exclusive)
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exactly why I left. Too many friend requests from all the above.
I feel out of place amongst them.
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People who are too lazy and ignorant to change their ways in which they are set.
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or, perhaps, these kinds of sites are intimidating to the attention whores on myspace because nobody knows or CARES who they are here, and no matter how much they try and say they're just not into it, their egos are not supported by Anonymous' provisions.
One thing I seem to notice about anonymous boards is that change is usually the result of a trend started by the users. I see a lot of people saying "I wish there were sections for British/American politics" but not really describing what happens when they start those threads in the general politics thread.
This is the Internet, after all, so why not send a thread's link to a friend, rather than just to 4-ch's front page? Or, to 4-ch's front page first, and then when they ignore it for a month, send a link to a thread to make them wish they'd paid attention.
Who here has one or more friends that read 4-ch as well?
The 4-ch name is both a blessing and a curse.
A blessing because people hear about 2ch and they think "what's the English version of that?" and they come here, in theory.
A curse because people hear about 2ch and they think "what's the English version of that?" and they end up at 4chan, in reality.
Regardless of our popularity... how do we maintain the brand recognition of the 2ch association, while avoiding the confusion of the 4chan association? There's got to be a solution. And >>100 knows what it is. Don't you?
I don't think you need to worry about 4chan confusion, since the absence of text and anonymity friendly environment quickly detracts 99% of people coming here thinking they are going to 4chan.
As for people NOT coming here, because they think this is 4chan, I think that's also a non issue. People capable of learning about 2ch are also capable of distinguishing between 4ch and 4chan,...
You're all wrong! The real problem is that there's a hyphen in the URL, and that spells DEATH.
Also the first paragraph of >>102 is confusingly written.
I'm going to sound arrogant, but I'm doubtfull about the contribution of people who can't access a website because of one hypen in the URL,...
No shit. I have more issues with people who don't understand that web sites don't necessarily start with "www."
If you forget that the hyphen is there, and you go to 4ch.net, that's a barrier that most people won't bother to try and work around... though admittedly Google and Ask point here when you search for 4ch.
It's probably a combination between >>103 and >>99 at issue. And even though people can tell the difference, some people get angry that they have to, especially if they never heard the ni-channeru/futaba story. "What kind of asshole names their website to be exactly the same as someone else's similar website?"
But, it's that 2ch/2chan symmetry that causes people to find 4-ch in the first place.
Once we get critical mass, we can probably create our own story...
This place is nice.
And that's all, I wouldn't worry that much.
It's not like some random flamers would put down the whole community.
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the English version of Wikipedia starts with ``en.''
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Congrats, you pass. Most people would try to put www. on the front.
what about http://deli.cio.us
and what about http://goatse.cx/
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i think >>117 is a pretty cool guy
eh wishes to be a gay little black boy and doesn't afraid of anything
i think 4chan is a pretty cool guy eh comes to 4-ch when it's down and doesn't afraid of not lurking moar
i think >>118 is a pretty failure
eh wishes to be cool and is afraid of everything
i think /b/ sucks cock. The clique mentality and incomprehensibly dense inside jokes and newbie-hostility, are all worse than on pseudonymous forums. I thought anonymity was supposed to curb these problems?
And, even outside /b/, there's a thick layer of hostility.