Alright, I've been told numerous times that love is indescribable. In a worldly sense, I believe love is a false ideology, mainly because of all these nymphomaniacs, rapists, etc. I may seem pessimistic, but that is what I believe. The world is so corrupted and plagued by such primitive beings who indulge in sex and such. Those who marry for money and a great sex life, not for companionship or devoted trust to ones spouse. From a pyschological perspective, these traits defines males and females, as well as from my point of view. Males: Possesive, arrogant and chauvanistic, and at times deceptive. Females: Majority of the time deceptive; greedy. Love is but a simple fragment in this world. It holds no true value, because people fail to recognize it and act on it. They just care about themselves. Their own indulgences. I'm asexual because of these very same reasons and more. Relationships, sex, and marriage ALWAYS lead to problems, and the majority of the time, divorce ensues or maybe even death. I deny my primitive "instincts" and think out of the box instead of the "normal" individual. Why bother when one can avoid these unecessary anamolies? Lust is usually dominant. Love is underminded, thrown out. It usually about sex. I have plenty of other reasons why I do not like either gender as well. Males: AIDS, STDS, immoral, societal rejection. Females: deception, STDS. I supress my hormones. I reject their lustful manipulation. And I'm not insinuating that love does not exist, only that it's presence is but a fragment in the world, and in the hearts of humanity. This is my theory. Opinions?
>>100
There are levels of trust. Never complete trust.
I trust my bank to keep my savings for me. I would't trust a bank to feed my pet when I'm on a business trip. I trust my brother to help me by lending money when I'm short, but I wouldn't trust him to keep a secret. I'm sure you guys can think about more examples.
So trust is relative, useful and never complete.
I know, and your friend is like that. But you can't say your better off not trusting someone and trusting someone. I used to be exactly like you. Somone had ripped my heart out, broke it, and then vomited on it (lol extreme but true). I was very hurt and began to doubt everyone. I thought much like you do now about love, trust, sex, and just life in general. But things change, you can't think one thing forever. I was a cutter, a loner, and a hopless drone. But, like I said, things change and turned out someone trusted me, loved me, and wanted me to live. It may not seem like it but people are meaner than they actually are. And you can't go by the people you live around. Yes, its in other parts of the world, but people there are very very very very very very very VERY special(DUH! special). Like you said love is a part of a whole and people there are part of a whole. So just consider it.
>>102 I understand completely what you are saying, but nonetheless, I still believe how it truly is.
>>But you can't say your better off not trusting someone and trusting someone.
Actually, you can. Trusting no one makes your life haphazardless. Having no one to betray you is the primary incentive not to trust anyone.
>>Somone had ripped my heart out, broke it, and then vomited on it (lol extreme but true). I was very hurt and began to doubt everyone.
No one can ever shatter my heart, because I let the temptation and trust pass by me. I do not put all of my faith on one person that will turn out breaking it. I do not doubt everyone either. I just think that humanity is pathetic because they are corrupt, and KNOW they are corrupt yet they deny such things and continue to do what they will. I do not doubt everyone through trust, but through mentality and sheer mind.
>>But things change, you can't think one thing forever.
Things change only if you allow and accept such change. You can continue to believe in one thing forever until what you believe in is proved false. It's the same with someone who believes in a certain religion all their lives. How can I not believe events that I describe which are actually true? It's the logical emphasis I have made. No, until one proves that human beings choose not to be deliberately corrupt and act in such malicious ways, I'll think otherwise; other than that, I will not falter from the truth.
>>I was a cutter, a loner, and a hopless drone.
I am neither of these. I have friends, but I could live without such people however. The concept of the loner means that one does not mind being alone, and surives on his/her own without the help of others. Trusting no one who might decieve, and those who may pilage. As for being hopeless, I am not. I'm not hopeless in this world, I just know that humanity is corrupt and it sickens me. It sickens me to be part of a race that destroys itself through wars, greed, lust and death. Especially when these people KNOW what they are doing, yet they still do it regardless.
I've considered it, and I know it is a pointless endeavor that will bring sorrow and despair. One without a "companion" would have a better life. Not having the burden of a family, or the toils of insanity of a wife. To not be decieved, to be manipulated by infatuation so one can be robbed inside out. Women decieve, men control, simple as that. Both are pathetic beings who feed off of their desires and brainwash others to do so. Those are the typical forms of males and females. Special? More like special with their desires. Either they wish to have sex for the sheer pleasure, or marry for wealth, it's usually the same every time. Any true relationship does not always last anyway. Even when a spouse dies, the other goes into despair and tragedy and soon succumbs to the illness of death.
What is the problem with breaking your heart? its an integral part of life. Sure, it will severely hurt you, perhaps for an extended period. However, a man must have some control over this. You can see a break-up coming, and brace yourself in time. Or you may still be able to prevent betrayal altogether.
Besides, before you break up, certainly your heart must have been happy, more than you would be on your own. So make the cost-benefit analysis. As your perceptions of the world change, the result may turn negative, or positive. That will happen, because every now and then you pick up new crucial elements to include in your analysis. Only a fool would think an analysis can be truly complete.
I was just using it as an example. I'm actually thrilled that that person hurt me so, because in doing so I figured out the love I wanted was right in front of my face, I just didn't know it. Heartbreaks are part of life. I'm just saying that I think Ulrich has had his heart hurt and it has scorned him. Its hardened him to what we have now. If he would realize this and that love is so scarce he would feel alot better and see that love is visa versa of what he says. Love is the whole and lust and mess like that is the piece.
Here's a fun idea. Write yourself a letter outlining all your beliefs and opinions about the world including a printed copy of this thread. Seal it up and store it somewhere you won't have to see it or ask someone to keep it for you(although maybe not the second option since you'd have to trust someone). If you survive without committing suicide until you're 25, then when you reach that age open the envelope and read the letter.
If you think the thread is so stupid, why do you keep posting?
I fear nothing of the sort. I just wish to have nothing to do with it.
My heart has NEVER been broken, because I have lost sympathy for my brethren since the 6th grade. No one has tried to love or like me, and neither I them, and vice versa. No one can crush me under their foot like so many others have been. I'm not weak of heart.
>>106 Wtf are you on? Whoever said anything about suicide? I may be pessimistic at times, but I'm not insane and deluded.
How about you go die due to your idiotic proposition.
Well still, you never know. I think people have tried to like you, I even know a few. But thats, not the point. Point is that I that your disliking of all this mess stems from something deeper. I know mine did. But hey I could be wrong. Oh and Secret Admirer, go fuck yourself, bud.
Ulrich, far be it from me to doubt your grasp on the subject of love, but since you are obviously so well informed about the world, why did you ask about it in the first place?
Can it be that in reality you hoped to educate a few of us about the nature of the world? You little tyke! :) But why not just write it down for us to appreciate it in its purest form? Right now, I have to painfully extract all of your ideas from various posts, and it is quite a tough job to do. So would you pretty please condense it into a couple of neat paragraphs?
I have to say I really love your style, I really do. Its been such a long time since I've seen such sophisticated vocabulary combined with such a free and unbridled implementation of it. Apart from that, your use of logic is, in one word, simply refreshing: It is masterful how you are able to deduce all the admirably grand conclusions from such a select choice of observations. My time is short, so I must stifle this deserved admiration, and cut to the gist of my request.
It would be wonderful if you could write it in the form of: assumptions first, then the conclusions from induction and conjunction, and then the implications on the life we live. (Of course I mention 'assumptions' because that's just the standard way of writing an argument, whereas you as I have seen do know many of the undeniable facts of life.)
Could you please do that, Ulrich?
I'll be in your debt always.
Pms, do you already know that people who post anonymously here are automatically given the name 'Secret Admirer'?
>>110 Ulrich, far be it from me to doubt your grasp on the subject of love, but since you are obviously so well informed about the world, why did you ask about it in the first place?
Feeback, more or less.
Well, that's suprising. The majority of people that I've explained the situation to do not see the logic or problems of what occurs. I really appreciate your feedback as well. As for vocabulary, I still feel like a novice when it comes to that. I have yet to learn even more complicated words to fit into my analysis and such. But, with age comes with knowledge, so I've plenty of time. xD
I suppose I could establish an "organized" essay or so on this, particularly for your benefit.
>>111 Pms, do you already know that people who post anonymously here are automatically given the name "Secret Admirer"?
Well, you must be the one I was refering to!
Looks like Ulrich will be writing a book, big money can be made!;p(j/k).
Aye, lust of pleasure can turn a man into something that society deems unworthy, but so can lust for life.
Reason, logic, truth, they are all so very relative. At one point in time, everyone knew the Earth was flat, they had cold logic, obvious reasons, and they knew it was the truth. Only by their own greed, did they discover what more there is to the world, and so things became as they are today.
We can put human beings in the category of horrid creatures, but it does not settle anything, nor does it make you any different. You can forsake love, call it illogical, useless, and based on all the wrong reasons, or ending with corruption, but if it is never explored then we will never understand.
Right now, some 14 year old girl is crying because she lost her boyfriend. She said that she loved him, but she was just being childish and immature. Right now another girl is crying, but she was more foolish than the previous one, not because her feelings were false, but because they were true, she did love him... and now she suffers for it. A fool, but a true person.
In order to truely bring order to choas, life to death, peace to despair, you must not simply say you know both end of the spectrum, you must feel them. It is easier to banish humanity as worthless and hate it, than it is to try and help it change.
So go on and truely prove your worth, those of you who say that mankind is worthless and doomed. Go out there and do your part, that it may not be entirely worthless.
Well we are all human, we are capable of emotions and how to use our minds instead of being entirely dependant on our insticts. Being human is not something to be ashamed of. Yes there are many evils in the world, but you can't say that there is anything better. I mean until we reach nirvana, become super humans, find Shangri La, or become robots, this is the best we have. Yes people confuse their emotions, but again, its human. And like the person who made comment 114 love will never be understood until it is explored. Thats why I think Ulrichs opinion is correct, but it is one sided. I think since he said no one has ever tried to love or like him then he doesnt fully understand love. I'm not saying its wrong, I actually think its pretty acurate; but only to the side of the downside of love.
>>108
Okay the suicide bit was out of line I apologize. I was serious about the letter writing exercise. In my first year of high school one of my teachers had the whole class write letters to themselves. I received mine in the mail sometime after graduation. It was a window into what I was back then and how much I had changed over the years.
Thanks for apologizing. I used to be suicidal, so i dont like to play about that.
Nicely put, >>114. I concurr especially with the last sentences.
Well, this is what I established about 4-5 months ago.
My opinion of the world…
The world is a dark wasteland. One engulfed by deception and despair. Paranoia is constant and the turmoil of the land is infinite. Human beings are inexplicitly weak. They indulge themselves is the pleasures of the world with their deceptively complacent life styles.
Life is barren. Hatred in concealed within the soul, but is usually unleashed as a hail of merciless abuse. I think only of the negative aspects of the world, for the malicious intent is much higher than the benevolent characteristics. I do not “worry” about my brethren. I only think of what they do because they ARE my brethren. The same life form. All in correlation with flexibility of emotions and behavior. Chaos dominates the land. The world. Even the universe. The multi-verse is full of various things, hatred being one of which. From a philosophical perspective, I know how the world is (yet my father thinks otherwise), which is deprived of any sense of virtue. Only the fragments of hope instilled within few people. Either individually, or those collectively in a religious sect.
Love is supposedly a benevolent and gratifying emotion. Yet, love in this world is a comical joke. Love conceals lust. Lust is the true, deceptive form of love. The whole world writhes with this thought. Human beings do not “love” one another. They wish only for gratification. Impeccable pleasure. From a worldly outlook, this speculation is highly accurate. Love is comprised of three components. Passion, commitment and infatuation. A true love that is difficult to attain.
Religion is the major source of spite. An individuals “opinion” is the dominating factor. Various Religions dislike one another due to their principles or opinions of one another. I highly disapprove of Religion because of this. The only thing I believe in is God; nothing more or less. The destructive properties of one’s opinion can be devious.
Well, from analyzing this information you may come to the conclusion that I am an enigma, or that I am problematic. That prediction is obvious though, and I myself occasionally think I am insane in this corrupted world at times. My sympathy for my fellow brethren has been eradicated, with the exception of my comrades. My loyalty does not waver. Partial on the theory of love, but I'll construct an actual one on that sometime soon. I've recently been busy with English reports. x.x
>>119 corrupted the board with his merciless format.
<<120 And you've corrupted it with your constant idiocy.
That's not fair, Ulrich, because he also wrote post 114. Not only was that a good contribution to the discussion, it also added to the body of the discussion.
You can tell by looking at the ID behind the name of the poster. Be sure to apologize to the kind man who couldn't resist a harmless pun.
>>ID
Exactly. The same moron who has been constantly harassing and imitating me. He may speak as a wiseman, but he acts like a fool. Big difference.
As for this, >>nor does it make you any different
Actually, it does. Those who indulge in corruption and deliberately commit such acts are the inferior beings of the human race. Those few with moral fortitude are at the top. Although, corruption is inherent, it's still a "choice" whether to be malicious or not. This may seem a bit contradictory, considering that superiority is a form of corruption, but those who are moral strive to help, those who are immoral try to destroy.
Why can't we all just get along? Sorry corny but effective ;p. Anyways I think that Ulrich has a point. I mean yeah, the bad most of the time end up on top, but I don't think the world is evil just cause of it. And your comment about superiority made me think of someone from my school. We'll call him..."John Kerry's Son". The guy loves John Kerry, worships the ground he walks on. He thinks that he is so much better than everyone else. He tel people he's better than them because he has cable and because he's so smart. I think people today are too materialistic and arrogant. Just because you can get more and do more than others doesn't mean anything. **Plus I'm getting a car, so I don't care!!!*** (;p)
>he guy loves John Kerry, worships the ground he walks on. He thinks that he is so much better than everyone else.
Chris at school, the HIGHLY fanatical political sophomore at school is precisely the same way. He indulges in John Kerry's presence for some apparant reason. >.>
>>119
Ulrich's view of the world is very simplistic and naive. While he wants to believe that he has uncovered the secrets of the world, the essence of humanity his analysis is nothing more than superficial, at most, lightly scraping the surface. His grasp of human psychology is limited and as much as he wants to appear unbiased his hatred clouds his judgement and skews his views. He walks the sage path that many has walked before
But not just him. There are so many other people like that. Now I'm not saying that I don't have something like that, everyone has their vices, but I think it you can control it you'll be good. I love chocolate, its my "indulgence". But I control(I do!! Just cos I'm plump doesnt mean anything j/k) it. I bet Ulrich has something he "indulges" in.
P.S.: U weren't supposed to say his name Ulrich!!!!! ;p
There is little point in mentioning that, >>128, because Ulrich doesn't really get the point of a discussionboard. Members on a discussionboard only remain interesting if they consider the ideas of others, and give feedback on that. (with more detail than just agree/disagree).
You might wanna see how he reacted to the post from the Jolly Javelin >>110. Ulrich, you might wanna read it too, and while you're at it, consider the concepts of 'irony' and 'sarcasm.'
I'm still trying to determine whether he saw through it or not, because his reply, that big hunk of text (load it in Word to read it) was so ridiculous it reads to me as an ironic response. Somebody comment on that?
>>128, if you like to talk more on this subject, let us both not forget that this thread is about the theory of love, not about Ulrich.
I still think you're a nice guy, Ulrich, don't let me get on your bad side :)
>>130
I think Ulrich was too busy masturbating to someone patting him on the head to detect the sarcasm
>Naive
No, you misinterpret. I know what's going on. Yes, I have not analyzed everything, for their is much more to learn, the same applies to Philosophy. I am not as simple-minded as you think, one that is consumed by the darkness and one that walks the path of despair. My judgment is not shrouded. I think clearly, for anger interferes with the mind of thought. I am not weak enough to be disrought by anger, as so many others have.
>>129 When I spoke of indulgence, I was referring to "corrupt forms", such as lust and violence. Yes, I do indulge in some things. Philosophy, history, videogames and anime. Lol.
Actually, I do. I have considered, and given feedback.
I completely understand those concepts. I'm just serious about most things. I see humour as a sign of ignorance, although it applies in various situations. In a serious matter, in my opinion, it's ignorance.
I really do not see the irony. All I did was copy and paste that paragraph from a word document. I made no changes. =\
I never said it was about me. I'm just talking about what I think, for it is relevant to "why I think about love in such a way.
I am kindhearted, but I am negative towards those of immoral quality. You know, those of an arrogant, egomatic or violent nature. It's difficult to reveal the shadow of my soul on the Ethernet. xD I still love have an intellectual discussion nonetheless. Where I live, there are no intellectuals. Just regular, outgoing people. >.>
Please enlighten the awful sinners amongst us, who have chosen to enjoy bodily pleasures, what makes them so corrupt, compared to your indulgences.
Just give it a rest already Ulrich. The simple matter is that nobody with a clear head agrees with your wild and crazy opinion of the world.
I don't think sex is wrong if the two people are mature enough and in love enough to enjoy it. It's just become corrupt in the last 30 or 40 years. People do abuse it though and confuse(afterwards) with being in love. And people also do it freely and it becomes casual and unimportant. I think there is a big difference between intimacy and the act of sex. Inimacy is wanting to share a feeling of deep love, caring, and commitment. People now, just treat it like a passtime. Like watching tv or reading a book. When sex does not have intimacy, then sex is just an act and is meaningless. But that's just my opinion.
>>135 Actually sex has been corrupt since the Bible days, but I still know what you mean. Just wanted to catch that before a jackass flamed you for it.
What a lot of people need to learn is that healthy relationships are possible, even if they've never experienced any. ITT a 14 year old is trying to tell me the world is corrupt and love is meaningless. lol I don't care how mature a 14 year old thinks he is, he hasn't experienced "true love" and has no place in judging the reality of it. He also hasn't experienced the "real world" and has no idea whether or not it's corrupt. A 14 year old can't analyze anything, because you need an experienced, mature, cultured mind to properly analyze anything as complex as SOCIETY.
Yes, corruption exists. The U.S. government is full of corruption. But it's likely you will never in your life be directly harmed by it, kid, minus some money and healthcare. Quit worrying about the state of the world and just try not to get mugged on the street. That is the only corruption you should be worried about. Worry about politics when you're PAST your prime, like everyone else.
Madeline Albright rocks.
>>134 Actually, my "crazy" opinion is based off of actual facts. You just deny how it truly is.
>ITT a 14 year old is trying to tell me the world is corrupt and love is meaningless.
Actually, you misinterpret. I am 15, and turning 16 this Thursday. Age has no relevance, nor does it coincide with knowledge.
>lol I don't care how mature a 14 year old thinks he is, he hasn't experienced "true love" and has no place in judging the reality of it.
All right, one does not have to have "personal experience" for such a thing. Sensory experience is just as efficient. You see the vast majority lust and ravage one another, so they are deemed corrupt. But one also knows that their are the few decent people out there in the world.
>A 14 year old can't analyze anything, because you need an experienced, mature, cultured mind to properly analyze anything as complex as SOCIETY.
That is a pure generalization. You speak of the "regular" 14 year olds who have the typical interactions and aspects. I am very mature for my age. I am mature and cultured, as well as experienced.
>He also hasn't experienced the "real world" and has no idea whether or not it's corrupt.
You know not what you speak of. It is written is history. In the past and the present. The corruption is unprecedented and fathomed. I know how the world is, because I have seen what occurs.
By the way, with age, comes arrogance, obviously in your case and many others. You should stop making generalizations as well. Grouping the minority of logical, mature beings with the majority of primitive, immature ones.
If there is anyone willing to talk about theory of love without reacting to the immature and reactive babble from Ulrich, please tell me soon. He's ruining the potential level of this thread. Otherwise, for the lack of intelligent conversation, I'm going to leave this thread.
With that, I'll apologize to all those who also made thought-out contributions. From now on, however, I'll regard any mention of Ulrich at least as a complete waste of my time, and probably as a sign that the contributor is at the same level of maturity as Ulrich.
In a second amendment, I must say that I do not regard myself as intelligent, but I think that those who would consider other people's thoughts in all fairness, and then write, will have made a good contribution. And I like to see myself that way.
Let's keep this thread alive! (right now it is undead)
>>140
This thread was never alive. If anyone wants to discuss the "theory of love", starting a new thread would probably be the best option
>immature and reactive babble from Ulrich
I would love for you to validate. How I am acting "immature". And if I am so immature, why are you still here?
It's obvious you disdain compromise. I've been respectful to the replies of others. Just as in any debate, one speaks, and the other replies with feedback, whether positive or negative.
All I ever wished for was feedback, and I am gladly recieiving what I wished, even if comments come into conflict with my opinionated facts. Perfectly logical though, as others will not always agree on the same thing.
Well if all yall hate it so much, leave! I mean quit complaining and find another thread that is more "interesting", because all yall are doing is contridicting yourselfs. 'This page is dead and it was never alive' blah, blah, blah. And plus, since Ulrich is a Taurus, ya'll should know he's determined and passionate about his beliefs. So get over yourselfs!
This place is starting to feel more and more like Gaia for every post Pms makes!
Well I don't know what Gaia is. I guess I don't understand it when people talk out their ass.
>Just as in any debate, one speaks, and the other replies with feedback, whether positive or negative.
A debate is a discussion between two sides (correctly speaking) or more. At times it may take the form of interrogation, and sometimes a discussion leader may evolve. On these boards however, that leading role is decentralized among all contributors. Leading power is never complete, and is attributed by others due to attraction to previous posts. If you want your ideas respected, serious thought is key. A little respect also helps sometimes. Also, remain within the bounds of the discussion. Here, we'd like to talk about theory of love.
Here, we have some who downright refute the concept of love, but we also have plenty who accept it in some form or other. A few of those, including me, try to formalize the theory a little, whereas others find that a futile exercise, or downright disgusting because love just 'is,' or 'happens to you.' Since we have these subgroups, it might be useful to start tagging ourselves at some point for easier identification. I'll be waiting for ideas. More important to the fruitful development of this discussion however is that we stop flaming (posting useless and unconstructive insult) each other, because that only lead to contributors exiting, even or perhaps especially those who sincerely post here. And that's a waste.
Pms, I've mentioned before that you should be more careful when reading people's posts. There are many people here who spend considerable time on their thoughts and posts, so don't think you'll understand straight away what they are saying. So either read into posts with care, or find a dictionary and search for 'contradiction.' It will also give you the correct spelling.
>>148
You can ask people who know me, I'm a very nice person, unless provoked. I came here with the intention of discussing the theory of love because someone suggested it. But I agree with you. I just think those who antagonize people make the thread become something of a battle royale of insults.
"By the way, with age, comes arrogance"
How ironic that you would be the one saying this to someone else!
I know you don't understand it, and you will never accept it as fact, but you're at an age when you feel like you suddenly understand everything. I'm sorry, but as much as you say age doesn't matter, the simple fact is that it does. You don't know anything. You're just a kid. An immature, EXTREMELY arrogant kid. When I am criticizing you because of your age, it's not because I think I'm better than you because I'm older. It's simply because it's true. You can get a license to drive soon? You must know everything! Spoilers: Johnny the Homicidal Maniac is not an accurate representation of society.
Also:
"I would love for you to validate. How I am acting "immature". And if I am so immature, why are you still here?"
We've been validating for about 149 posts. The problem is you don't listen.
Why don't YOU validate to us your amazing intellect and maturity? All you've proven so far is that you won't shut up about things you don't understand, and neither does anyone your age or 5 years older or perhaps 10 years older. We don't want to hear about how you're sooo upset with these corruptions that have never affected you in any way. Especially not in /love/.
Now I agree with that. Where Ulrich lives is a little sector of the world where if you asked 1 out of 5 people on the street they wouldn't know who The Who were. So where he lives is not a good representation. I went to NYC over the last summer and it opens your eyes. The world is so much bigger than where Ulrich lives. I just think Ulrich needs to travel, see the world, talk to them for their opinions. And yes you can talk to anyone in the world via the web, but if you travel you learn so much about the world, its people, and yourself.
Exactly. You need to experience the world to know anything about it, and a ~15~ year old simply can't do that in normal circumstances. I don't care how much you "analyze" via TV or the internet, you just can't learn as much that way.
But in some ways Ulrich has a point, to a certain degree.
>I know you don't understand it, and you will never accept it as fact, but you're at an age when you feel like you suddenly understand everything. I'm sorry, but as much as you say age doesn't matter, the simple fact is that it does. You don't know anything. You're just a kid. An immature, EXTREMELY arrogant kid. When I am criticizing you because of your age, it's not because I think I'm better than you because I'm older. It's simply because it's true. You can get a license to drive soon? You must know everything! Spoilers: Johnny the Homicidal Maniac is not an accurate representation of society.
Actually I do understand it, because I have heard it constantly. I only applying what I simply know. Is that a crime? I never said I knew everything, for that is an impossible feat for the human mind. Like I said previous, I do not act immature. If I were, then I would spam or joke about everything. I am very mature for my age, and many people know this. Arrogance is something I disdain. Something I fathom. Why would I align myself with a primitive essence? I've no reason to be arrogant about anything. Even if I knew everything, and were omniscient as God himself, I would have no reason to be arrogant, because I am a human being just like you or anyone else. Just because you might have an advantage over someone does not mean you are superior. I know that for a fact. Pompous people are the ones that annoy me anyway. I bet you call every young intellectual arrogant, immature and foolish, eh? Pitiful.
Actually, I took the class last year, and went three times but have abnormalities each time. I haven't bothered to go back for my permit. I drive normal, without acting insane and arrogant anyway.
>Why don't YOU validate to us your amazing intellect and maturity? All you've proven so far is that you won't shut up about things you don't understand, and neither does anyone your age or 5 years older or perhaps 10 years older. We don't want to hear about how you're sooo upset with these corruptions that have never affected you in any way. Especially not in /love/.
I wouldn't discuss things I do not understand. You generalize too much. Far too much.
>>154
I admire your ability to say so little with so many words. So far we have established that most people are corrupt, love is corrupt because it's usually just a guise for lust, which for some reason is corrupt (not sure why) and that the world is a shithole cut*cut*cut. Have you considered a career in politics?
I think that teens can be mature for their age, but I think people on this thread are taking this too seriously. I mean people tell me on mature for my age, and I'm going to be 16 in June. Yet I still laugh when someone says 'duties' or "but I don't care if you 'do do' that." (lol those never get old! ;). But I'm just saying that teens have the ability to think deeply. It's just when, like the 154 Ulrich said, they become pompous and arrogant as hell. I like to think I'm not arrogant and pretty openminded, but hey thats opinion, so what do I know?
>>154
Just sayng, if you were God, you wouldnt be human (j/k but kindof serious.) ;)
>>154 You're pretty pompous, actually. You also can't seem to grasp that there is more to being "immature" than spamming and joking all the time.
You ARE acting immature. It's immature to know nothing about the world and go on and on with your jargon about how you KNOW all of these things that for some reason the rest of the world can't grasp, and at the same time turn around and use the defense that you're ~only human~ if anyone criticizes you. I'm telling you. It's a FACT. There is not a single 15 year old in this entire fucking world that has a real grasp of what the world is like. I was a "young intellectual" myself, actually. The difference between you and I is that I never suddenly came to the realization that I "have an advantage" over everyone and understand the world. I knew better, and I still do.
The way you think is arrogant. The way you type is arrogant. You. Are. Arrogant. Defending yourself with modest speeches doesn't change the obvious.
I'm almost convinced that Pms and Ulrich are trolls. It's just so hard not to laugh at them. Maybe I've shielded myself from people like them for so long that I forgot they existed.
>>158 Could be. Whether Ulrich's a troll or not, I'm done arguing with him. He's most likely at a phase where he wouldn't even listen to a genius doctor if he said his outlook of the world is retarded. One day, when he grows up, I'm sure Ulrich will realize, "Wow, those guys on 4-ch were right. What did I do with my youth?"
>Have you considered a career in politics?
I prefer Philosophy. I don't like Politics.
>Just sayng, if you were God, you wouldnt be human (j/k but kindof serious.) ;)
I was referring to a human being that had infinite knowledge as God; something that is not possible.
>>157 Well, think what you will. You're just falsely accusing me of being arrogant when I am not. You're just highly ignorant to the fact.
>The way you think is arrogant. The way you type is arrogant. You. Are. Arrogant. Defending yourself with modest speeches doesn't change the obvious.
You firmly abuse the word and misuse it. This may be what you think, but it is something you certainly do not know.
>I am not a pathetic troll, simply because I constructed this thread for feedback.
>"Wow, those guys on 4-ch were right. What did I do with my youth?"
I highly doubt that. The only think I realize is that you people are uncompromising pretentious human beings with no consideration for other people. Just your own selfish ways. A typical human trait. One of corruption.
Yall can all go masterbate to Hentia.
>>160 Whatever. Like I said, you won't listen to anyone whether they're right or not. Go show this thread to a psychologist and ask him which of us is the "corrupt" one.
Also, I'm looking at the definition of arrogant, and it fits you fairly well.
I have a sister who is 16 currently, and my other sister was that age two years ago. I know for a fact that they are absolutely capable of deep thought and definitely able to do significant things. However, they are not usually capable of extending such thought for long enough to consider various possible conclusions. Judging from them, their friends and of course my own experience from when I was 16, I believe that most teens that age have that problem. At that time I knew that I didn't know the truth about the world - but I thought I was pretty close.
I also remember that at 16, insults are really insults. So all you guys who're older, if you think you're mature, give these kids a break. They already know plenty to make interesting conversation (in my opinion), but they're probably still quite naive (some of us, including me, aren't yet so unlike them). What selfrespecting adult will take joy from insulting a kid? (well, the insulting part is fun, granted, but its just too unfair)
>>158, a little defense for Pms, her last posts were good contributions. She listens to reason and knows when not to be offended. (maybe don't look at 161)
>So far we have established that most people are corrupt, love is corrupt because it's usually just a guise for lust, which for some reason is corrupt (not sure why)
You raise a good point. Up till now I think it was accepted implicitly that lust is corrupt. However, there is no need to assume that, after all, lust is just one part of our heritage from stages down the evolutionary path. Please elaborate on this.
I'll try to find a good definition for corruption in the meantime.
>>163
Thank You!!! 161 was a joke, don't take it personally.
And insults are hurtful. But we are not just kids. I mean, have any of you had this interesting of a conversation, on a thread. I don't think so. And yes, poking fun is awesome, ya'll should get that. It's just when you take things to far. I mean, teens or not, we are people to with opinions and ideas that want to be manifested where ever they can be. And since the internet is so easily acessible, its the one place you'll see us sporting our opinions the most. I mean what if I was to say "WHO LOVES COHEED AND CAMBRIA?!?!?!?!", no one has to answer, but my opinion is heard. And thats all that matters.
Man, I leave for a week...
Several Anonymous posters: C'mon guys, you really need to give Ulrich a break. Yeah, Ulrich has some pretty extreme views of the world. Heck, he said in his opinion that even he thinks he's crazy sometimes. I don't think he has the whole world figured out yet, but then, I doubt ANYONE has the whole world figured out, no matter what their age. And for what it's worth, I think he is pretty mature for his age; crazy ideas don't necessarily mean immaturity, and I've had to deal with immature 16-year-olds, heh.
Demian: See above, also, I'd imagine that it's corrupt because it's Ulrich's opinion that it's corrupt. What is and isn't corrupt is sometimes a matter of opinion based on your belief system (I'd wager that many followers of quite a few religions have a differing opinion on it than say, some atheists NOT THAT ALL OF THEM THINK THAT WAY just sayin') Your opinion of it might not be the same as his; I believe that defining corruption leads back to defining things like morals and what is "right and normal", and that sort of thing can be argued 'til Doomsday without any sort of agreement being reached. Like most "debates" on the Internet, people are usually going to have to end up agreeing to disagree. I'd guess that very few people came into this thread expecting to have their worldview changed, hehe.
Ulrich: Might want to turn down the personal acid a bit. Whether or not you think they're ignorant or corrupt or whatever for putting down your views is irrelevant; calling them that to their face is just going to provoke them to fire back even more. Gotta be willing to turn the other cheek and all. Making a general statement about humanity is one thing, because I can, for example, assume you're talking about people other than me. Things like "you people are uncompromising pretentious human beings" though, well, nobody's going to want to hear what you have to say with those kind of words.
And now I've made one of the longest posts yet and haven't said one thing about love or even lust. Okay, here we go: personally, I don't think hormone-driven desires in themselves are corrupt. I think that overindulgence in those desires is where corruption comes from. Drinking too much alcohol will destroy your liver, but a little wine now and again is okay. Of course, no one says you have to drink at all (I don't), but I have friends who do so responsibly, and I don't see a problem with it. In the same way, sex in and of itself isn't a bad thing, but being addicted to porn or having one-night stands every week can be pretty detrimental to your mental and even physical health in the long run. Of course, the hard part is determining what's "acceptable", and that's where a lot of the opinions and agreeing-to-disagree happen. Really, the same could be said of love, or at least, affection. Not always good to get super-clingy and singularly-focused on one person, you know?
Anywho, I need to get going so I guess I'll finish up here. I don't agree with everything he says, but I think he got it right on this one: "I think we ought always to entertain our opinions with some measure of doubt. I shouldn't wish people dogmatically to believe any philosophy, not even mine." - Bertrand Russell
Corruption comes from peoples personal immoral choices, plan fact. But thats not the point. Lust is a form of corruption but sex isn't. Be proud of your kid for hitting a homer in the baseball game isn't corrupt, but saying "my son doesn't suck and yours does, hahahahaha!!!" is. It's just the fact of the chocies people make. Just like on some RPG games(Hello my name is Pms and I'm addicted to RPGs.) you can choose to be evil or good. So make your choice. Be good or be evil, or be human.
>>167
Yes, and everything is black and white and there is a book telling us what is right and what is wrong. pls2getaclue (did you even read the post above yours?)
Two words: grow up. You are contradicting yourself, for you are currently acting immature accusing someone of arrogance. Don't be a hypocrite.
So precise you are. Insulting those younger than you shows one's immaturity and arrogance(for you think you are superior). Although I disagree about being naive. I understand what goes on. Like I said, I do not talk about things I understand incoherently.
Right you are, good sir. Just because two different views are different does not mean that they should come into conflict with one another. Every person should be respectful to another's opinion, as they to the other. Yes, I do not have the entire world figured out, just a piece of the puzzle. They called Socrates insane in his time, because his views did not coincide with others. So he was deemed essentially prepostrous by the people of his time. A great sage. I have to deal with others my age and those of 17 and 18. It's very stressful, because they become a nuisance with their constant belligerence and inconsideration.
Very true. A differentation of views does not mean one is right and the other is wrong, unless actual facts preside over these ideals. And just like an opinion is the source of many a corruption, hatred ensues from it because of different beliefs.
>"One who is enraged is one off guard"-Taoism. Just kidding. Lol. Well, my intention is not to provoke, but to enlighten. That is their problem if they are too blind to see it. Weak are they who weak of mind.
I've done that for many a year, the entire duration till I came to Highschool. I was a very introverted person, caring not what others said. But I guess I could only handle it to some extent and now it has become annoying, and the persecutors nuisances beyond resolve or empathy. I will gladly speak my mind. Thoughts are better off spoken off than supressed. I learned that first hand, for keeping my negative thoughts in my head would have been a drastic outcome in itself.
Tis true. The beings whom have been throwing constant slurs and blasphemy at me for my ideals ARE uncompromising for they will not mutually agree. I do respect their opinions, but that does not mean I cannot give feedback on their opinions. And some, such as 162 are contradictory, for they are engulfed by such arrogance.
Exactly. It's all right to have sex, but only if you care for that person. You don't just have sex and leave her when you're done with her. That's just like a domestic animal, and we have reason. We are far more capable of doing what is moral, except the majority of time we care less because we finally find something to feel "good". The same is with drugs, alcohol and comedy.
>>167 True to that. Lust does coincide with lust however, if allowed.
This has truly been an intriguing discussion, although most left at the beginning..
>>169
So what is the diffrence between doing "things that feel good" and doing "things that feel good but are deemed immoral by you"? Or are all things that feel good immoral?
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with love and romance anymore. Please permasage it or something.
>170
No, sex is all right, IF you do not indulge in it for yourself and caring not of the other individual. That is a universal moral, disdaining lust. No, only things that coincide with corruption. Sex and drugs are good examples. Nymphomania is taking a new turn in society...
Love usually isn't the case though, pure sex, passion, leads to lust. You have to be COMMITED to that person wholeheartedly to be in love. Something a lot of people do not understand. At first it's getting to know the person, and then being anxious for sex. That's how most individuals are. Adolescents anyway. But many adults are that way as well.
I watched tv one time and this old man killed his family one by one when they came home, entirely because they were a "burden" to him. Because he had no freedom. Even though he could have divorced, he chose not to. That is another aspect in marriage:sole mentality. Both people have to be mentally stable in a marriage as well.
>>168
I was not refering to any book. There is a basic understood morals, like not killing people and not cheating. This has nothing to do with religion or anything of the like. So don't accuse people of needing a clue when you jump to conclusion.
>>172
I'm in a relationship now with someone and we have not have sex and are not planning on it either. Sex isn't need in a relationship. But one thing you forgot is that love is also composed of more than just commitment. You have to care deeply and understand them. Love is made up of the affection and caring and commitment between 2 people. And no matter what you say Ulrich, love is real.
>>173
Abstincence is fine if that's what you both want. Most would disagree that your claim that "sex isn't a need in a relationship."
This is to Ulrich...............
Why did you invite my girlfriend to your birthday party?
Instead of seeing logic explained again, lets rather validate the assumptions on which the conclusions are founded. We can't argue over logic if it arises from unvalidated claims because it is pointless. Rather we need assumptions, and lets get some assumptions and definitions we all or at least most of us can agree on.
>Sex isn't need in a relationship.
Bingo. Entirely true.
>But one thing you forgot is that love is also composed of more than just commitment. You have to care deeply and understand them. Love is made up of the affection and caring and commitment between 2 people. And no matter what you say Ulrich, love is real.
I stated that a ton of posts ago. Love is comprised of three components: passion, commitment and infatuation. I never said that love was not real, it's just a fragment, a vague persona in the minds of many.
>Most would disagree that your claim that "sex isn't a need in a relationship."
That's typical, since that is usually the core part of a human being's thoughts. Sex is not a necessity, it is so to speak a luxury, mainly because you do not need it(unless for reproduction)and people use it as a tool to file their own pleasure thoroughly.
I invited her because she is a good friend, and compared to myself, one of the only intellectuals in our school. She understands me and my logic. I invited her because I appreciate her being such a great person, a great friend that bonds my heart and soul together. I need not a girlfriend, I only need friends. They alone fill me with contempt and are the only shining light for me in this devastated world of corruption and despair. It seems you are becoming a bit too possesive...do not let it overtake your mind, for it will in the end cause despair for you. And of course you can come as well, if you wish. You should have just asked with becoming so enraged, since it seems you are a bit irritated.
I suggest you re-read the beginning to the end of the posts then.
#1 philosophical rule: assume nothing. If you actually read you can see the solidified logic, for they are actual facts. People do act in such a way, and the world is corrupt. That is a fact.
>Sex isn't need in a relationship.
>Bingo. Entirely true.
Think what you want, but I think just about 100% of all marriage counselors would disagree with you!
>>179
They are corrupt
It matters not what a "marriage counselor" thinks, it is the fact of the matter. You DO NOT need sex to have a stable relationship. My best friend is doing perfect without it, as have so many others. You just believe in the aspect and reassurance of it in a relationship. It truly is not necessary, only with people who desire action so to speak.
>>172 universal moral
No such thing.
>>disdaining lust
I disagree
>>Sex and drugs are good examples.
Neither sex nor drugs need to be corrupt. If you have drawn this conclusion from your limited view I'm truly sorry for you.
>>pure sex, passion, leads to lust
Not neccesarily
Now could you please try again with a little more effort and a lot less faulty assumptions? Thank you ^____^
Actually there are universal morals, those that every being knows is right or wrong(except those of highly immoral calibur). I mean really, if a pedophile was raping a child, would not that be corrupt? If someone rapes a relative of your's then kills them, would that not be corrupt? Yes, universal morals.
Disdaining lust is actually more or less from a religious perspective, you know, sins and all, since we would regularly not know of lust. Those who actually use their minds instead of instinct abstain from such things, because it may escalate into something much more than sex, something such as rape to the more extreme.
I never said sex and drugs were corrupt,(not trying to imply anyway. It is the people who do such things that make them corrupt. Ever heard of lust and drug abuse? Yeah, corruption.
Actually it does, if you are not in love of course. The temptation takes hold of you and drives you insane with lust. A typical, primal reaction.
No one has assumed anything. Being a bit arrogant, no?
>I never said sex and drugs were corrupt,(not trying to imply anyway. It is the people who do such things that make them corrupt.
Are you saying that sex and drugs are made corrupt by the kind of people who partake in them? Or that the people who partake in them are made corrupt by doing so? Either way, that's dependent entirely on a) your definition of sex, b) your definition of drugs, and c) your definition of corrupt; all three of which can and do vary greatly from one person to another. Not exactly an objective argument, regardless of whatever your point was supposed to be.
Sex is not a primal instinct, the act of mating may be, but sex for sex is not. Drugs were used in the early days for medical use, until people began to abuse them and became addicted to them. I think ya'll are blowing this mess out of proportion. And Ulrich, when you said "Those who actually use their minds instead of instinct abstain from such things, because it may escalate into something much more than sex, something such as rape to the more extreme." People who deal without sex usually have mental instabilities also. So I think that is you go from one extreme, i.e. no sex at all forever, or the other, i.e lots of sex constantly, then your screwed. Extremes are not needed they are there to be there and thats all.
I am not irratated, but a gesture such as yours would only be appropriate if I was invited. We dont want the community to think something is going on. Happy B-day! Im not such a bad person myself.....I too think outside the box. I agree with some of your views ESPECIALLY those on C.C.. We'll have to talk sometime.....................By the way Im not possessive, just concerned.
Are you saying that sex and drugs are made corrupt by the kind of people who partake in them? Or that the people who partake in them are made corrupt by doing so?
Bingo.
How very true.
Well, at first I didn't consider you going. Didn't really think about it. Although, I never said you could not come. You could if you wished to. As for the community, like I said before, society is a burden that weighs you down. Why should you care what idiots think? It doesn't hurt you, maybe your reputation, if you care about such things anyway.
That is very interesting, we may have to discuss sometime. I like a nice intellectual discussion now and again. That's great that you are concerned about your lover, but just don't be too concerned. Jealousy may overtake you because of that. And the stress is heightened. Take it is though.
Well its the people who partake in them. People get addicted and that makes the drugs and sex corrupt. Corruption is being immoral and making good things bad. And your morals are your own personal opinions. There is no one correct answer, its just personal opinion. No one is wrong or right, some people are just out there. But thats not the point. Point is it's your opinion, so don't down others.
lol I want to go to Ulrich's birthday party. I guess nobody thinks PAR-TAYS are corrupt!
>>190
Spike the punch, then we'll see how moral he is.
>>192
violence? what?
Its not so much of what the community thinks, its what I think and feel,was just a point I thought Id make clear.
>>192
"Punch" is a drink. To "spike" it is to add alcohol.
For an opinion so often stressed as being based on facts, I'm still in the dark as to what these "facts" are.
If I may go off on a tangent for a moment, Ulrich is the ideal troll for this kind of place. Here you have a forum full of the lovelorn and lonely, desperate to find that special someone. Now here's a kid who thinks he has the whole world figured out telling everyone that the world is too full of corrupt, primitive beings to hope for a loving relationship. Couple that with a dismissal of any countering opinions and a lot of arm waving with zero concrete backup, something starts to smell funny.
>>Ulrich is the ideal troll for this kind of place.
Pretty much yeah. It's just too good to be true so he's definitely a troll. His act is a little too transparent too. If he had learned to troll properly he could have actually fooled someone that isn't entirely new to the internet
So a troll is a person who slams out impossible but provoking thesis, and sticks with them ad infinitum just to get people confused? what is a troll, really?
Ulrich, how much of your post nr1 is still relevant for you after nearly 200 posts?
i'm 30 and now i know that love just is something to keep young people busy -like religion- so they don't go do crazy shit around.