Previously:
#1 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1213916710/
#2 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1250275007/
#3 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1292544745/
#4 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1315193920/
#5 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1326391378/
#6 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1333279425/
#7 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1340196069/
#8 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1346800288/
#9 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1353182673/
#10 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1360549149/
#11 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1367260033/
#11.5 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1367260120/
#12 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1372849946/-255,257-
#13 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1368127055/
#14 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1395672319/
#15 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1409746601/
#16 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1420075161/
#17 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1430947686/
#18 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1440133389/
#19 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1447380051/
#20 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1454364216/
#21 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1462941578/
#22 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1473295155/-383,385-
#23 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1480168637/
#24 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1489348442/
#25 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1503631448/
#26 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1519019746/
#27 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1526013591/
#28 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1529348654/
fat thread edition
Are we in a college bubble? Is it going to burst?
Sure, having an education sounds great and all. I'm glad I went to college. But at the same time, this level of debt is unacceptable. Maybe parents for future generations will only let their kid go to college if they're genuinely talented or studying a major that will definitely lead to a good career, instead of this gender studies/underwater basketweaving nonsense. Not worth the massive debt unless there's a return on investment. For many right now, there is none.
Free higher education rules!
absolute unit 731
I long for death.
>>354
The evil selfish rich of course. They have infinite money just waiting to be taxed.
out of touch monolingual boomers: "adult" isn't a verb! neither is "medal"! grrrr!
me, a professional NEET and cringe weeaboo: um, literally anything is a verb if you want it to be, just add する
>>360 no, but I have to admit to taking inspiration as to the format from various twitter posts
>>351
It's definitely a bubble, but it's probably gonna fizzle rather than burst. Student loans are a lot harder to escape than housing loans, so it's not like everybody can just suddenly stop paying them. They just keep paying less and less every year.
>>354
Taxes. The US has cut education funding dramatically since the 2008 recession (<a href="https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/a-lost-decade-in-higher-education-funding">Source</a>) and while it's slowly rising, they could definitely do better. The US can't afford to make college completely free like a smaller country such as Germany, but it could definitely do better. Even without raising taxes, the US could simply cut other parts of the budget, such as defense, to pay for education.
Without state funding, the cost of education shifts from taxpayers to students, which just makes the problem worse. Students can't afford to contribute to the economy because they're too busy paying off student loans. Colleges make budget cuts, decreasing the quality of education and producing less students who are good for the economy. The only people who profit from the situation are moneylenders, and even they might take a loss when the bubble fizzles.
That said, the belief that everybody needs a college education is silly to begin with. For many jobs, experience and training in a specific skill-set is much more important. But everybody wants to get a degree, leading to degree inflation: these days a bachelor's degree is practically meaningless unless you went to a big-name school, and even then employers still value actual skill and experience more than the piece of paper.
Speaking of unnecessary education, US medical students typically need to study 8 years vs. 5-6 years in the rest of the world. The extra two years doesn't increase the quality of the doctors, it just increases health care costs because we need to pay doctors more to pay off their massive tuition debts.
So yeah, these problems could be solved by lower enrollment, lower degree requirements for jobs, and higher education spending. But good luck convincing Americans to do either of those.
everything happens so much
listening to deftones when you're sad
That's real suffering.
It feels good to be a zebra sometimes.
KKK robes but with the supreme logo on it
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ironically, of course
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>>370
same as everybody else, my dude
when you're self-loathing, just remember that you're in the same boat as everyone else
other people are equally helpless, sad, powerless, etc.
The problem with most of the threads here (aside from this one) is that they're just lists, not discussions. So many posts, but very little interaction between users.
Ctrl+v, google, youtube, etc. -- these threads have next to zero interaction, it's just a place where people mutually post shit that almost no one replies to or discusses.
And when you actually do reply, people think that's a problem. Then they bring up eternal september for the millionth time, which I doubt most people here were even around for in the first place. Weird board culture. Isn't the point of a text board to talk with other people? A discussion board should have actual discussions, not just lists.
I got another SJW twitter account banned lol owned
I've felt that too, the list threads are fine but this is pretty much the only thread that gets any kind of actual interaction and back-and-forth between users. But actually I think the problem is that this thread has become kind of the catchall for anything that isn't listposting and trying to make a discussion thread on this or that topic ends with someone posting 2GET and the thread dying after like 8 posts.
Then again looking back through the thread list, most threads fall off in activity after maybe 30 posts at most.
>>372 Individualism is frowned upon. That's what started the downfall of imageboards.
>>376
so having discussions is considered "individualism" and that's seen as a bad thing? nah, even image boards, and other text boards aside from this one, have way more discussion
Or did I misinterpret your post?
The Unreal Engine 2 is such a buggy mess.
>>374
Yeah, list or game threads are successful because it's easy to keep them alive. Discussions don't usually last that long.
We could start a [general discussion] thread but it wouldn't be that different than the current thoughts thread, and the arbitrary requirement to talk to other people rather than just posting random shit would probably cause it to die off. I think it's fine the way it is now.
I actually kind of like the list threads because it's like going to an art gallery. You're presented with the art with little-to-no explanation and you just have to judge for yourself what to think of it.
>>384
I've developed the bad habit of drinking everyday. My wife and I are supporting each other's bad habit because everytime I think, "nah I don't need a drink today" she goes to the fridge and says tantalizingly "anything to drrriiink? ;)" and I cave.
Movie characters are way too nonchalant about serious shit happening. Someone got shot? No big deal, huh? There was a huge explosion and the main character almost died? Shrug it off. Not a problem.
Yeah, right! People in the real world get upset over fucking tweets. You think people wouldn't get upset over actually hardcore shit? Of course they would! How about a movie where there's only one action scene and the rest of the movie is the character getting therapy for the ensuing PTSD instead of just acting "cool" in such a way that destroys any semblance of verisimilitude!
>>372 I don't think it's a problem not having discussion in those "list" threads; every textboard has random youtube video and wikipedia threads and the like, but I've always been fascinated by ＤＱＮ ＱＵＡＬＩＴＹ and how you were able to trace an outline of what it meant in those threads. The content seemingly comes from disparate places, but at the same time there's a common thread, and by lurking you were able to understand and read the vibe of the place. You didn't need extra commentary to understand where the poster was coming from. The Eternal September thing is a bit tongue-in-cheek but is still relevant, and it's kind of one of the central themes of the place more than just one of the memes. Like that other guy said, it seems a bit like going to a wine-tasting club then complaining that they keep talking about wine!
I like the current thought and ctrl+v threads as well, because it gives a small interesting window into a dokyun's life. "Hmmm I wonder what they were doing that left that in their clipboard!" I like it when we discuss things, but it's plain annoying when someone gives an opinion with the assumption that what they're saying is really important and you have to care about this. Maybe sometimes I do agree but I don't want to hear about it here. It's nothing to do with being sheltered or blinkered, I can go elsewhere for talking about The Issues - there's a time and a place.
>>388
more like it's like a wine club where they only drink the same kind of wine for 10 years and then someone dares to suggest that maybe they should try some other kind of wine for once and then everyone gets mad and says that the kind of wine they've been drinking is the best and that there's no need to ever try anything else
posting selfies on instagram doesn't mean you're a model
I view posting in the current thoughts thread the same way as those monks that create intricate, painstaking Mandalas out of sand and then destroy them immediately. The beauty of posting lies in the transient nature of the posts, and the act of creation itself. Even if no one sees them, that's ok. The obsession with having someone read and reply to your ** obviously very important** post only leads to attachment, which leads to suffering.
I write plenty of posts in this comment box and then just delete them, because they're un-self-contained enough that if I posted them, somebody might start a discussion. I don't want discussion. I want a scattered string of disjointed, sometimes vaguely connected thoughts. And this is fine.
>>391
but instagram is how you get to be signed by a model agency nowadays.
Love this thing, but the numpad keys are laid out wrong dammit.
>>397 But it's hip and trendy! You dinosaurs are living in the past with your pressed grapes
>>400
I post here all the time, you just don't know which posts are mine and which aren't. Is it because you think I only post posts that you dislike?
And don't derail the thread into meta-shitposting and then blame me for it again.
I hope iOS-chan gets murdered in his bed.
Not as edgy as the knife I like to imagine plunging into his neck while he sleep.
Chill is what's going to happen to your decapitated head lol.
Suffering silently.
>>401 We thought you left because it's been almost an entire week without some joker retard derailing a 3000 day old thread into "why communism is super cool and DQN is a bunch of problematic racist neckbeards". It's actually been really fucking nice tbh.
Also, don't even try to pretend you're not also the "I live in the ghetto and it sucks and this is somehow the fault of the LIBTARDS" poster, your posting style is literally exactly the same right down to accusing everyone who finds you annoying of not having gone to college or flippantly dismissing entire posts full of paragraphs of counterarguments with "whats the matter cant handle different opinions? triggered echo chamber lOL!!!!1".
I'm sure when you're taking your schizo meds you're a perfectly fine poster, so just keep doing that, and remember that this is an anonymous board and not every thread has to be about you and your super important opinions.
>"why communism is super cool and DQN is a bunch of problematic racist neckbeards"
I think helping people when they're in need is good and I don't like when people post the n word or other slurs here. What's wrong with that?
>"I live in the ghetto and it sucks and this is somehow the fault of the LIBTARDS"
I do indeed live in an area with high crime, and SJWs are indeed annoying. I am not an SJW. I also like the environment. Someone posted the n word when talking about where I live, and that's not okay.
These things do not contradict each other. If you think they do, it's because you think people's views need to be a.) static and b.) exactly like caricatures of political parties.
Real life views aren't as simple as being 100% stereotypically group A or 100% stereotypically group B. People are also allowed to change their opinions over time. I am neither a republican nor a democrat.
>not every thread has to be about you and your super important opinions
I didn't make the posts about myself. I sometimes make posts about ideology or politics, but that's not about me -- that's about issues. You try to make it about me. I don't.
I am simply responding to posts other people have made, such as your post. Don't derail this thread, focus on me, and then blame me when you're the ones talking about me. I don't come up with a name for myself -- someone else calls me "iOS-chan". I do not post with a name or tripcode, nor am I interested in being known with a name here. I am not making this thread about me. Someone else (or multiple other people) are. That is not my fault. Stop derailing the thread.
Stop posting about me. That's not what this thread is for.
Lastly, you seem to think sarcasm is "schizo" or trolling or something. Sarcasm and satire are perfectly legitimate. If I posted something like "I just LOVE when people make posts like that" I might really mean I don't like it at all. That's not dishonesty, that's just sarcasm. If you can't understand sarcasm or satire, it's not my fault.
>>411 You are a literal stereotype, and the fact you actually think that "republican" and "democrat" are political positions is proof of the uselessness of trying to discuss politics with Americans.
And no, "sarcasm" is not being schizophrenic. Sarcasm is also not what you are doing. You seem to think that you're much more clever than you actually are. What you are doing is posting variously from one of several disjointed personae, seemingly without being aware of it later on when another persona takes over. As in literal schizophrenia, not just the meme internet one.
>>413 I don't think accusing him of having schizophrenia is going to do any good.
>I think
>I don't like
>I do indeed
>I didn't
>I am simply
But I am not the one making this thread about me and my opinions, no, that is you!
Hot tip for you champ: no one gives a single unitary FUCK what you think or what you like.
>several disjointed personae
I think you just don't understand that people's views aren't as simple as you want them to be. I'm not schizophrenic lol. And maybe you think I made posts I actually didn't make.
And touching on what I said before: exaggeration, hyperbole, jokes, satire, and sarcasm -- these aren't schizophrenia. People with autism or asperger's syndrome have difficulty understanding them though. So is that why you don't get it?
But as I said, stop derailing this thread.
>>416
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>>415
Good job ignoring the rest of the post. Great reading comprehension.
>>420
you're posting about the person you want people to stop talking about
do you not see the irony?
hmmm
me: this board has too many list threads
you: fuck you here's a death threat and some bullshit attacks on your political views that you posted a long time ago
me: that's not ok also you are misrepresenting my views so let me clarify some political stuff because it's cool to talk about values, I wouldn't have brought it up again but because you brought it up so I'm gonna correct you
you: you're so self-centered omg stop posting about yourself all the time why do you make everything about you wtf
bruh...
you: i am super gay and eat poop and have an iq of 79. the only way i know how to structure a post is with imageboard tier greentext, but i won't be able to pretend to be an epic dqn oldfag if i do that so i'll replace all the >s with "you:" and "me:" and no one will notice the difference! i am brilliant!
dqn: sitting around the wine tasting club talking about whatever
you: prances into the room in a hula skirt with a pineapple on your head screaming that wine is shit and everyone is a racist while twerking your ass in people's faces
dqn: what is wrong with that guy? lol.
you: STOP POSTING ABOUT ME GO BACK TO POSTING ABOUT WINE IT'S YOU WHO MAKES EVERYTHING ABOUT ME, NOT ME
>>424
are you seriously complaining that someone is using a built-in feature of the board software? quoting is a part of this website's code
besides, quoting originated from email, not "imageboard tier greentext" and quoting is a normal part of textual communication
for people who talk about eternal september so much, you really don't know much about the internet
>>426 are you seriously this dumb, or are you being purposely dense to prove a point?
>be le me
>be le neurotic narcissistic 4channer with a heavy persecution complex
>be le literally incapable of forming a complete sentence without meme arrows
>LE QUOTING IS A LE INTEGRAL PART OF TEXTUAL COMMUNICATIONS! I DONT HAVE TO QUOTE THINGS YOU ACTUALLY SAID THATS WHAT IT SAYS IN RHTE RUUULKES I CAN POST WHATEVER I WANT XDDDDD FUCK YOUR FAGGOT RULES EBIN TROLLED XXXXXXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Imagine getting this mad about quotes, or people having opinions about politics.
This is what happens when you're in the habit of talking in an extremely structured/restrictive way for too long. Can't accept anything different. But it can be good to have an open mind and really listen to different perspectives.
When Galileo was right about the earth revolving around the sun, instead of the other way around (which was accepted as true at the time), he was attacked for thinking differently, even though he was right. People wanted their comforting lies instead of thinking critically to find the truth. Nobody likes their worldview to be challenged.
>>430 imagine being this fucking dumb and american that you think people are mad at you for "having opinions" and not for being an obnoxious dumbass.
>>431
So talking about anything that isn't completely boring is obnoxious? We should all just discuss today's weather, or some flavor-of-the-month TV show you're watching, huh? Riveting!
>>432 i'm not talking about quoting text from a post you dense fucking retard i'm talking about when you completely ignore the actual text of the post and do this twumbler tier
me: reasonable, objectively correct thing
you: LITERALLY INSANE WITH RAGE COMPLETELY INCOHERENT RARRRR
me: i have obviously won
thing
Nobody ever really even talks about the Eternal September other than when someone refers to mad dates in the future... it's like back in the day when people would start threads on /m/ and say "What's /mu/'s thoughts on _____?" and the regulars would chuckle and say "Why don't you ask them". One of those telltale signs that they stumbled in from the rain.
>>433 American politics are not only boring as hell but quite distasteful. Nothing but idiots screeching at each other over pee-pee sex tapes and arguing over who the "literally hitler" of the month is. People have expressed this to you multiple, multiple times, and you ignore it and continue pretending dqns just "can't handle alternative views" or whatever.
>>434
I only made a post about list threads, then people made it about me. It was a quick way to summarize what happened, using the format that you have a problem with. But you apparently had no problem with the posts leading up to it? And are people just going to ignore the death threats? That's not okay either.
Look at >>372- and the following responses. I didn't make it about me, I was just noticing how weird it is for many threads to have very little interaction. Then posting devolved into personal attacks. But that's not what it was originally about.
Man my balls are so sweaty, don't you just love to squat down when your underwear is sodden with sweat and take a right good huff?
Meh, death threats on the internet aren't so bad, no big deal.
>>435
Okay then. If you had your way, what would /dqn/ consist of? List threads of Wikipedia articles of people whose names sound like funny words? People posting old aa art or anime stuff? That's it? You really want it to be so restrictive that people can't post about anything else? How come? Or do you think posts like >>438 are better? Yikes.
>>436
I never mentioned any of those things. Additionally, topics such as deep ecology are not even American. Deep ecology, especially Linkola-based ideology, is Finnish. Do you think Finland is in America?
I am not talking about Trump or Hillary. I am talking about Linkola. I suppose Ted is American. But it has less to do with American fad politics and more to do with general dislike of modernity, which is not an inherently American phenomenon. I do occasionally express dislike for US-specific things, but not the "pee-pee sex tapes" or "literally hitler" things you mentioned.
Why do you think it's wrong to be conscious of current political issues? Should we all just resort to escapism and not work on anything? It seems like a lot of people here like escapism, such as anime or games. But what does that accomplish? When there are problems in the world, ignoring them won't fix anything.
I wonder what espeon-chan is up to right now.
>>437 Yeah. >>374,375 were me. As you can see, we again agree on the fundamental truth of the matter yet you carry on far past the point when the discussion stopped being interesting, trying to turn that agreement into an opportunity to proselytize on how you personally think DQN should be like.
It's like you think pointing out banal, obvious things makes you some kind of visionary and then start acting like a college freshman who came back to his hometown for the summer and had to spend the entire time telling everyone why everything they're doing is bad and wrong. That is what's obnoxious about your posts, I physically could not give less of a fuck about your extremely basic and sterile opinions if you paid me to.
>>443
What are your political views? What are your values in life? I'd like to know. It's good to hear from other perspectives. Seriously.
I'd also like to point out that people can indeed not practice what they preach. For example, I drink, but I think alcohol is bad. That doesn't mean someone is a troll, or that they're schizophrenic, it just means they're not perfect.
So when people claim that posts are "disjointed" or whatever, sometimes people are conflicted or unsure of things, or sometimes they change their mind, or yes, sometimes people are indeed hypocritical. We're only human.
>>440 Did you mean to direct that >>435? That was me and I didn't say anything about what you're talking about. I meant somebody keeps saying that we go on and on and on about the Eternal September, but in all honesty it rarely comes up in the conversation. Talk about anything, I don't give a fuck, personally a lot of people's opinions and their belief that it matters (on this particular text board of all places) just makes me chuckle is all
>>446
I post on anonymous boards about these things because discussing politics with friends, family, or coworkers can be stressful, especially when they're diametrically opposed to your views. Posting politics on social media, like Twitter, is an easy way to have a bad time, with trolling, doxxing, harassment, people trying to get you fired, etc.
/pol/ is too /pol/ for me. Tumblr is too tumblry. Reddit censors people and it has that shitty "I fucking love science XD" attitude. Twitter has the "twitter do ya thing!" brigading/mob mentality problem. Instagram is just about pretending your life is cooler than it really is. Facebook is garbage. None of those places are suitable for serious discussions about ideology or political views.
Sometimes you just want to discuss issues, but there isn't necessarily a perfect place to do so. So you settle with some not-really-great place to post.
This is far from the only place I post online. But it's the only place I talk about these kinds of issues.
Identity is complicated. You have different titles. A single person can be a man, a son, a father, a husband, an employee, a coworker, an event organizer, a friend, a patient, a customer, an acquaintance, a car in traffic, and a stranger. It depends on how you know that person. To different people, that same person seems like a completely different person, because of their roles. They do not conduct themselves the same in every relationship. Social media is similar. Not all discussions or posts are suitable for all platforms. But sometimes, there isn't a great place for certain things. A lot of social media structures lead to pigeonholing, and there isn't always a right answer of where to put something.
>>447 Man, that's time I won't get back, what did any of that have to do with the post you're replying to? Why is this you only place you talk about these kinds of things, surely the least relevant place for it out of all the places you post online?
>people's opinions and their belief that it matters (on this particular text board of all places) just makes me chuckle is all
From >>435:
>t's like back in the day when people would start threads on /m/ and say "What's /mu/'s thoughts on _____?" and the regulars would chuckle and say "Why don't you ask them".
You're saying this isn't the right place for it. I'm saying there is no right place for it. Besides, what harm is there in talking about that kind of stuff here?
>>444 I actually considered making a thread like "outline your political views ITT" but decided against it, figuring it would get too heated. I guess I can just do it here. Plus, I think our perspectives are more similar than you might think.
Note, all copulaic(x is/are y) statements to follow should be read as if they started with "In my opinion,...", I just can't be assed writing it every time.
Anyway, in my teens, I would have at points variously called myself a Communist, or a Trotskyist, or a Fascist, partially out of a teenage desire to be edgy but also because of, at least I thought so at the time, an attraction to ideologies with a strong, centralized authority. However I realized later on that it wasn't the strong authority I was attracted to but rather the revolutionary utopianism of those ideologies, all of which seek to deconstruct the modern capitalist system and build something new and better(from the perspective of the ideology itself) in its place. I've since become disillusioned with all of them after realizing that they still have the fundamental problem of quashing people into cogs in a vast machine of state. I do still find that revolutionary utopianism attractive, though.
Nowadays, I refuse to call myself an anything-ist. Isms mean being fettered by ideological purity and being forced to approach every problem not from the perspective of "what is the best thing to do here" but rather "what would a perfect *ist do here"?
Fundamentally, I believe people ought to be free to do what they like without interference from the government, as long as it doesn't harm others (this would extend to causing indirect harm, such as littering or polluting). Economic growth ought to be secondary to the health and wellbeing not just of citizens but of the environment. If we take it as axiomatic that the primary concerns of the state are the security, health, and overall wellbeing of its citizens, then education and healthcare ought to be subsidized. Since citizens already contribute part of their income to pay for their collective security(ie, they fund the military with their taxes), I don't think funding the other two as well is that big of a stretch. Fully funding them 100% for whoever wants them might not be feasible in as big a country as America but you lot could probably still afford to partially subsidize them as well.
Building on the collective security aspect, I disagree with the statement that "violence is never the answer", but it should be a last resort. Both states and individuals should have the right to defend themselves from aggressors.
There probably are fundamental biological differences between the races and genders, but rather than trying to erase racism and sexism by pretending there aren't, we should embrace them as part of the diversity of the human species.
I do sympathize with migrants and refugees seeking to build a better life in another place, however most people advocating the hardest for open borders and unlimited immigration quotas are capitalist elites seeking to poison the well of public discourse by presenting it as an issue of race to disguise the fact that they're making huge profits off those people. The ones that do work drive down the cost of labor and reduce wages across the board, the ones that don't work and instead receive welfare or something still necessarily use that welfare money to purchase goods and services, which basically turns the welfare which was made with good intentions to keep people from starving and dying in the street like they used to, into an indirect subsidy of their businesses and enterprises.
continuing in next post since this ended up being too long
