Tom Hiddleston (Sweet 16) (1000)

1 Name: Anon. : 2017-08-28 02:47 ID:5qdWEBEh

Thread to talk about the actor Tom Hiddleston

201 Name: Anon : 2017-09-24 21:25 ID:A3rZwPke

>>198 This was unintentionally hilarious in several respects. After an anecdote I heard recently from someone who has met him, I can however believe the neediness of the "will it sell out?" story.

It seems that Cumberbatch did mysteriously manage to acquire a seat for the last night. He must have made his wife go in the ballot too.

>>200 I think it means too posh, mannered, flaring nostrils, over-dramatic, a bit queeny, etc. Does that help? In the old days theatre types were often called "luvvies" in Britain because the stereotype was that they called one another and everyone else "love" or "luvvy" all the time. You don't hear that as a term of abuse very often now. TH is not wholly immune to this as he does call a lot of people darling, even fans he has never met.

202 Name: Heynon : 2017-09-24 21:37 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>201 Can you say more about the anecdote (only if you're comfortable doing so, of course)? And what else did you find funny in the article?

Yes, so mysterious how that worked. Helena Bonham Carter was at one of the other public performances earlier in the week. Maybe there were celebrity smack-downs happening in the parking lot to see who would get a returned ticket!

That does help about "too RADA" - I was guessing it was something like "affected, too stagy," and so forth.

203 Name: Anon : 2017-09-25 12:32 ID:A3rZwPke


Ok anecdote. The person I met worked closely with him and still sees him for pub nights out etc. Apparently very charming and gentlemanly but also buttock-clenchingly earnest and desirous of approval (this from a man, and not from a famous one either). Thus far, thus fairly unsurprising, save that the neediness must be pretty noticeable if a regular bloke can spot it.

The specific anecdote relates to an encounter at a party between TH and Jude Law.

The latter, as you will know, is not a tall man (I can confirm this having met him twice - once on the street and once in a restaurant). He apparently deals with this by invading one's personal space during conversation, meaning standing very very close and drawing himself up to his full 5 foot 6.

Anyway, all eyes were on how these two alpha gorillas would deal with one another - Law playing to TH's insecurities by being more famous, and TH playing to Law's by being 9 inches taller. I am told that Law had a go at standing close but realised quite quickly that this wasn't really working given TH's height!! They apparently spent the rest of the evening circling one another slightly mistrustfully and talking in Serious Deep Voices about their "projects.

PS capcha was "Law" !!

204 Name: Anon : 2017-09-25 12:39 ID:A3rZwPke


Things I thought were funny about the article:

(1) "surprised at the attention Hiddleham got"?!!!!! Come on, Ken! I have loved you for many years, and if my number ever comes up in the One Time Sex With A Celebrity of Your Choice Lottery, I will probably use my ticket on you and not Hiddleston, but you are trying my patience here!!

(2) the moustache picture.

205 Name: Heynon : 2017-09-26 01:07 ID:LfjWE7CD

>203 "buttock-clenchingly earnest" "talking in Serious Deep Voices" - you made my day!
>204 Let's hope no one goes to MotOE expecting to lip read, because you can't even tell that KB has a mouth behind that 'stache.

206 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-09-26 01:08 ID:6LNXsSd5

>>199 Yep, Hamletted out except for one last question: why did he wear such tight clothes, as mentioned in most of the reviews in the latter 2 weeks of the run? Proprioceptive issues? Did he gain weight?

>>203 I've read one or more anecdotes and blind items about that particular personality trait as part of an overall insecurity. So the 'will we fill the seats' quote I said 'really, not again dude'

>>204 I'll use mine on Idris Elba.

207 Name: Anon. : 2017-09-26 13:14 ID:7hN8z5bL

>>203 My hubby and I were talking about the concept of the alpha male a few weeks ago. We were compiling a list: Harrison Ford, Paul Newman, Steve McQueen, Muhammad Ali, Teddy Roosevelt, George Washington, General D. MacArthur, Idris Elba, Daniel Craig.

Based on this, I wouldn't say that either TH and JL are alpha males. The former for his wet rag self confidence and need for approval, the latter for his lack of physical presence and hang-up about it. They are both good looking, charming, and successful in their fields (and with the ladies, though JL provides more proof of that) but neither screams alpha male. To me, at least. Perhaps it depends on the setting, and they were at the top of the totem at that particular party.

QOTD: Is TH alpha? Was he before the shirt and GQ? After? Is the alpha male just a myth?
SQOTD: Who do you use your Celeb Sex Free Pass card on?

208 Name: Anon : 2017-09-26 19:24 ID:A3rZwPke

>>207 The words "alpha gorillas" were interpolated by me, not without irony, because:

1) they are really not alpha gorilla types
2) they are not at all hairy
3) they like to think they are alpha gorillas

You are right to say that the underlying reason for the phrase was that they were at the top of the tree at that particular gathering - hence the circling/rivalry and the onlookers' mirth.

209 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-09-26 19:30 ID:6LNXsSd5

This lack of self-confidence has got to be cutting deeply into the success of his auditions. Maybe not when it comes to Shakespeare but anything else outside of his comfortable acting box. The depths that some of the more versatile actors go to for roles requires he trusts himself. I know that it's been said here that therapy is not something Brits tend to do, but he needs something to build himself up. Private acting workshop?

I don't know, what so actors do when they need to get their mojo back?

210 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-09-26 19:31 ID:6LNXsSd5

*I don't know, what do actors do when they need to get their mojo back?

211 Name: Anon : 2017-09-26 20:03 ID:A3rZwPke

>>209 They perform Hamlet for 3 people.

212 Name: Anon. : 2017-09-26 20:38 ID:HObS5TJR

>>209 NewAnon has reminded us that many of his roles were either secured through connections, given to him by directors (because he looked like the character), or when others dropped out and he was the next available 'store brand' Brit. The list is long: Thors and Avengers (Sir K); ISTL, MiP (picked by directors); CP, OLLA (store brand Brit replacement); Shit Island (through legendary/CP).

He auditioned for Thor but I think the others landed in his lap. TNM and HR, as I recall, also were presented to him.

He's not had to 'fight' for many of his roles. If he's not very good at auditioning, it's because he's out of practice!

213 Name: Anon. : 2017-09-26 20:46 ID:HObS5TJR

>>211 Whatever mojo was restored by Hamlet, I wonder if it will last. I ask because I get the feeling, mostly from SDCC, that TH won't be two wheeling with T:R promo, as in the past. I think he'll be three wheeling it with Messrs. Hemsworth and Ruffalo. But then add in the director and other stars and suddenly he's on the middle axle of an 18-wheeler - not where he usually is and not where someone with shaky confidence likes to be.

214 Name: Heynon : 2017-09-27 01:55 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>206 Now that you mention it, his clothes/costumes didn't look all that tight in the photo shoot pictures. Maybe he started training for Loki (if he's in A4) and bulked up a little. Or maybe it's from leftovers of that delicious-looking catered food.

>>207 QOTD: I don't know if human alpha males are a myth or not, but I think that human males believe in the concept (at least in the US)! TH, I don't see as alpha - he has alpha moments, but mostly looks like an alpha wannabe. And That Shirt did not help. SQOTD: Currently, Aidan Turner.

>>208 Suddenly I'm envisioning TH and JL as those monkeys whose calls are booms!

215 Name: Heynon : 2017-09-27 02:04 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>211 (snicker) Though I think you've hit on something - another purpose of RadHam could have been to rebuild not only TH's reputation but his self-confidence.

>>213 It is sounding as though he won't be as prominent in T:R promo as he's been in the past. He might welcome that, though, since it means less chance of awkward questions about HS. (Especially if TS does something else super-duper public about the album during the T:R promos.)

Back to >>209 I think you and Anon are on to something here. Maybe the reason he's not getting the leading man roles he wants is that his insecurity is too noticeable, and that's not a trait associated with most conventional leading men.

216 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-09-27 03:51 ID:6LNXsSd5

>>215 >>209 It's not - which is why for every claim of "HS didn't have an effect on his career" I silently say "the humiliation further eroded already shaky ground"

>>213 >>215 No telling how the T:R promos will be sorted out. I agree with what Anon. said.

>>212 I forgot how long the list of connections was. Add to what you noted: all 3 roles in the Joanna Hogg films and his last 2 stage roles.

217 Name: Anon : 2017-09-27 06:22 ID:A3rZwPke

>>216 Yes.

I think we have said on here before that pre Hiddleswift he enjoyed a very good relationship with the press. Think of all those Guardian interviews - he was respected and liked. KB talked in that interview about what a hard Tim he had in the press and it is true - he was absolutely pilloried for being earnest, too clever by half, and ambitious. Pre-Tayto, TH wasn't criticised at all for those traits, which he possesses to a degree - it was presented as part of an endearing package. I don't recall reading a single really critical feature or interview (I'm setting aside reviews or CB which is snarky about everything and only gets it secondhand anyway).

The loss of that good standing must have shaken TH deeply. It's evident that he worked hard to be liked in interviews so to have the Guardian just write the snark without hesitation must have stung. I mean, they invited him to the WHCD a few months before.

218 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-09-27 06:54 ID:6LNXsSd5

>>206 >>214 Could be that he stopped or cut back running during the play and he gained wait.

>>217 The backside of "earnest, too clever by half, and ambitious" are overenthusiastic, butt-kissing, know-it-all, which filled some blind items about him during two specific times: the first Avengers movie run and during the dying month of HS (i.e. after she went back to the US), especially the know-it-all part.

219 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-09-27 06:55 ID:6LNXsSd5

  • the first Avengers movie promotional tour and subsequent appearances everywhere on the effin' planet

220 Name: Anon. : 2017-10-01 14:06 ID:L0um0JZN

I guess when Thor promo starts we'll see if being the hot ticket in town helped boost his confidence. If not maybe he and Sir K. will have been working for years on staging Macbeth in a bathroom...for charity.

What a minefield promo will be now: Tayto, her album promo and all the potential 'bristle' questions about the two. Remember when the top of the promo cringe scale was yodeling and bad accents. Ah, the good old days.

OT for a Sunday morning:

We went to see Wind River on Friday. EO's delivery is still flat as a pancake but that could just be her voice. She and Renner did well with some very one dimensional characters and a plot/script that paced like an obese hamster in its wheel. After seeing it, we were surprised it has such a high RT score.

221 Name: Anon : 2017-10-01 22:34 ID:A3rZwPke


Hello! Hope all is well. When is baby's first birthday?

I am assuming that October will be another project free month as there is such a short time before Thor 3 promo starts in earnest. Let's hope Hamlet has resulted in lots of enquiries....

In the British press at least the whole Swifty thing has gone rather quiet. She hasn't been up to anything much and I do feel there has been a gear change in how he is regarded. Whatever the snarking in the press about the exclusivity, he got great reviews and he now seems to be regarded as a serious person again. By that I guess I mean interested in the craft and not too obviously gagging to be a star.

Even snark wise there wasn't anything like our level of scepticism, and the mainstream press seems not to have picked up on what was going on with the "dark" nights.

222 Name: Heynon : 2017-10-02 02:49 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>220 And Tom will have always wanted to play King Scot in an undiscovered bathroom....

>>221 It's good to hear that the press seems to see him as a serious person again. (Though the Telegraph, in that recent Branagh article, did have to get in "Hiddleston, 36, became a household name in the UK on the back of his brooding (and bottom-baring) turn on The Night Manager"!) I guess it's good that he's back to being snarked for dropping his trousers?

One recent RadHam tidbit from the company that handled the balloting:

"We came up with the idea of a ballot process or lottery, where entrants would be picked at random with the opportunity to book tickets within a specified window of time. Here’s how taking this radical new approach supported RADA’s aims and provided an amazing customer experience at the same.

  1. They reached a larger audience and captured data on potential [future] customers....
  2. They set customer expectations at the right level....
  3. The booking experience was much less stressful than a traditional onsale....
  4. Taking a new approach to a common consumer pain point fuelled media interest....
  5. They made access to tickets fair"

Note what's number one and what's last, and the acknowledged publicity play in number four.

Also, the technical parts of the article imply to me that had they/RADA wanted to, they could have prevented the complete transfer of successful ballots from winners to others.

223 Name: Anon : 2017-10-02 06:00 ID:A3rZwPke


Good spot. Very interesting. I see that a major attraction was offering the opportunity to make an extra donation at the point of sale. I wonder how many actually did so, and how much it raised. On these numbers even if every single person paid an extra fiver it wouldn't have raised a lot. I bet a lot of people didn't add an extra donation as the base price was pretty expensive and yeah.

224 Name: Anon : 2017-10-04 06:49 ID:A3rZwPke

At the BFI Luminous gala:

225 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-10-04 08:44 ID:6LNXsSd5

>>224 I looked through all of the Getty Images (where that photo is from) to find others of him, 15 pages worth, but that's all they managed to get of him for the night. I couldn't even find a video clip on YouTube. How's that for super-low profile?

Captcha: flaw

226 Name: Anon : 2017-10-04 19:31 ID:MMQC+qlX

BFI again. With a man with an incredibly small head.

227 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-10-04 21:41 ID:6LNXsSd5

A fan had a chance meeting with him today (Wednesday):

Lighting and shadows can age a person, but this photo plus >>224 and >>226 tell me that he's lost a lot of weight because I haven't seen those eyes that sunken and with dark circles since he was at the London Evening Standard Theatre Awards in early 2014, about a month after he finished filming ISTL and he was still gaunt from playing a drugged and boozed up Hank.

228 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-10-04 21:49 ID:6LNXsSd5

I don't relish this; I hope that I'm wrong, that he's still at his Loki skinniness and these are badly lit and angled photos.

229 Name: Heynon : 2017-10-05 00:16 ID:ewjQfNZR

>>224 When they both have full beards, Tom looks even more like he could be Jeremy Irons's son - couldn't have hurt his casting chances for Henry IV!

>>226 I think it's partly the odd camera angle and partly that that young man hasn't finished his growth - look how loose his tux is.

>>227, >>228 Agree that they are poorly shot photos, especially the 2nd BFI and the fan ones. But also notice that he's not really smiling in any of them, and his smile plays a big part in making him photogenic. He looks quietly annoyed in the fan shot, I think. And maybe he came down with something after RadHam closed. It's not unusual for cast or crew members to get sick after a show ends, since you've been running in high gear for several months.

230 Name: NewAnon : 2017-10-05 08:14 ID:pYVU3rqH

Wow...he looks really haggard in these new pics. Especially the one with the kid. Like Whatsinaname said, I really hope it's just bad lighting.

231 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-10-06 16:16 ID:6LNXsSd5

It is bad lighting. New pics on Torrilla from Q&A on “Early Man” with Maisie Williams. He looks and sounds good, calm, and grounded. I’m sorry I cant link from my phone.

232 Name: Anon : 2017-10-06 20:12 ID:MMQC+qlX

>>231 He does look good - provided you like beards! (I can't stand this look on him).

I see from the accounts of this publicity thing that Eddie Redmayne couldn't attend and sent a recording. Mmmmm.

233 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-10-07 06:20 ID:UYUwGWkN

>>232 Rivalry gone sour? Or something else?

234 Name: Anon : 2017-10-07 08:15 ID:MMQC+qlX

>>233 I was just thinking, one big name busy, the other less so!

235 Name: Heynon : 2017-10-07 23:31 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>232, >>233, >>244 Fantastic Beasts is filming now, so that's probably where Redmayne was (especially since this was very early promo for ER). But yes, one of those two gents could be busier (especially since this is the 2nd time Tom has had to do promo duty when the lead was off working).

236 Name: Anon : 2017-10-11 06:11 ID:A3rZwPke

Thor Ragnarok premiere! In a really bad Gucci suit! Still has beard!

237 Name: Heynon : 2017-10-11 10:41 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>236 And though you can't tell from these pix, also still has the long hair. Agree this outfit wasn't his best look - wonder if Yrs Truly was involved or not.

In the red carpet interview I saw (live, so no link) he came across pretty well, I thought. Moderate energy and didn't play too much to the pretty interviewers. Maybe the beard represents the new, mature TH.

238 Name: Heynon : 2017-10-11 12:14 ID:+paBlYiz

>>236, >>237 And Luke was shepherding him on the red carpet, so the major PR rehab continues. It's a bit odd, though. As of last night, no press mentions of interviews with him during the LA press junket. And Marvel sent at tweet to fans, "@"d the other major cast members, but didn't include him.

239 Name: Anon : 2017-10-11 15:32 ID:A3rZwPke

Apparently the older gent is his dad (via a CB link). I don't think I have ever seen a pic of them together before. I once saw a brief video of the tow of them at another premiere.

240 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-10-11 18:53 ID:rwj/O7RA

>>236 It is her:

>>239 That is his father. He was also with Tom at the premiere of the first Thor movie. I’m on my phone so I can’t, but if you search YouTube for “Tom Thor Pop Sugar” you should find it.

241 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-10-11 19:00 ID:rwj/O7RA

I meant to reference >>237 for the IG link.

>>238 And so speculation continues over why his contribution to the press has been downplayed. Marvel could be wanting to concentrate more on the Mark/Chris/Taika relationship, and they don’t want there to be a chance of any Loki spoilers getting out by accident. There’s the unsubstantiated stalker rumor and the avoiding ts rumor.

242 Name: Anon : 2017-10-11 19:01 ID:A3rZwPke


Re Yourstruly - Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhh! Still, no surprise given that the suit was hideous and too tight.

Re PapaHidds - I think this is the video I saw. Oddly he looked older in that vid whereas in this pic he looks younger and pretty dapper. Not devilishly handsome though. It's always so interesting how two people come together and make a child who is great looking. Especially given that the sisters don't look greatly like TH or each other and aren't anywhere near as striking (not that they aren't attractive, but they don't have what I'd call movie star looks).

243 Name: Anon : 2017-10-11 19:02 ID:A3rZwPke

>>241 The stalker rumour?

244 Name: Unknown : 2017-10-11 20:04 ID:DpaeWEvx

>>242 TH doesn't have movie star looks either so...His sisters especially his younger sister looks way better then even him.

His father looks really old. They must've made Tom when they were much older then average, even though Tom isn't that old tho he looks older then he actually is which is another story.

Marvel is really pushing the Ruffalo x Hemsworth promotion. TS album hasn't released yet and when it does its around the U.S. premiere of Thor Ragnarok. So they're probably trying to downplay Tom's promotional involvement.

Also its about time Chris actually started promoting his own movie, it always fell on TH to promote it. Then again Loki stans are so vocal and think the movie is all about Loki that Marvel in the past didn't bother pestering Chris to promote it.

245 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-10-11 20:20 ID:rwj/O7RA ate my post so I’ll try again:

>>242 Comparing the PopSugar video to last night, his dad has a full head of hair now. At Thor 1 he was balding.

Genetics are fascinating. TH’s older sister has the same blonde hair, big, blue, downturned eyes and smile as he from their mom. Her daughter has the same eyes but with darker hair, of course. Younger sister looks totally different.

>>243 Yes. Unsubstantiated, though.

246 Name: Anon : 2017-10-11 20:56 ID:A3rZwPke

>>245 I meant, what rumour? Haven't heard anything...

247 Name: Heynon : 2017-10-11 23:46 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>241 The cast did a press panel today and Tom was there, so he's not completely out of the T:R loop. But there are so many possible reasons why he's not nearly as prominent this time around. Me, I find it nice and calming. Now the top articles about him today feature the beard (ex: ), though saying it makes Tom look "as rugged as Jake Gyllenhaal" isn't much of a compliment in my book....

>>244 I think it depend on how you define movie star looks. I find his somewhat classic, like a Leslie Howard. Also, with TH, a lot depends on the angle from which he's shot. His side profile is pretty near perfect, but in a bad shot straight on, he's all nose and forehead.

>>246 The rumor happened during the T:R reshoots/just before SDCC, I think. It started on LSA with screenshot of a supposed Tumblr post (I'm not an LSA member so I couldn't see the image) that talked about a stalker. Absolutely no other proof than that as far as I've heard.

248 Name: Sosorry : 2017-10-17 18:06 ID:zSl8T0x0

Guess who is in talks to play Hamlet in a new Brexit-era film for netflix? Tom, not so much. Emmy winner Riz Ahemd! Thrilled for Riz. Still no Shakespeare on the big screen for Tom, yet. Wonder if Tom was in contention for this?

249 Name: Heynon : 2017-10-18 01:24 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>248 Good question. I think that thanks to Night Of, Riz is currently a hotter property than Tom, at least over here. (TNM didn't make as much of a splash.) If this happens, it may make it less likely that Tom will do Hamlet onscreen anytime soon, especially with the BBC doing Andrew Scott's version next year. I hope that if Tom wants to get in first with some Shakespearean role he's been eyeing (cough Benedict cough), he does it soon before someone else from his cohort grabs it!

I haven't listened to it, but a summary of the EM interview he did with Masie Williams recently mentioned that he got the EM script in May last year. So that means that (except for Marvel, which was a given, and the mutually-back-scratching RadHam) he hasn't gotten any new projects that we know of in almost 18 months. Gee, wonder what started in May last year that could have affected his career?

Somehow, the EM and T:R promos aren't interesting me (though I'll probably follow EM more when it's closer to release). Anyone else feel that way?

250 Name: Sosorry : 2017-10-18 04:29 ID:zSl8T0x0

>>249 Yep, I'm not as driven to watch the Thor 3 videos. The rock, paper, scissors cast game was adorable. But overall, I'm happy that Tom is less of a dancing bear through this series of promos. He seems calm, grounded and mature on the red carpet. With that summer PR madness last year, and TS releasing new singles and filming a London-based music video, I think that Tom is content to just talk about the work w his colleagues and not be at the center of some juvenile PR shite storm. And Marvel is not like Legendary with the Kong interviews. Marvel cares way too much about protecting their franchise profits to let reporters ask any personal questions that would distract at all from the agenda of their films. Sadly, I really think that Tom would haven been asked to do at least one late show in the US if not for last summer. And yes, Chris is the hero and Cate is the new villain, but the full Thor 3 cast on a late show together would have been delightful. Would audiences get false impressions about the plot and think that the film was a Loki revenge movie if Tom did any more press? It's not that difficult a concept. BTW, Domhnall Gleeson is on fire landing parts right now w Ex Machina, the Revenant, American Made, Goodbye Christopher Robin and Star Wars. Can Tom steal his agent?!

251 Name: Sosorry : 2017-10-19 17:15 ID:zSl8T0x0

Non spoiler review of Thor:Ragnarok from Collider. Apparently the film is a balls to the wall comedy, even more so than the Guardians of the Galaxy series. I really don't connect to the humor in the Guardians films, but I love Taika's humour in Boy, Hunt for the Wilderpeople, and WWDITS, so my fingers are crossed for the cast. Apparently Cate doesn't have much screen time, and her section of the film is not the strongest part of the narrative.

252 Name: Anon : 2017-10-20 18:23 ID:A3rZwPke

Evening all! Thanks for the Ragnarok links.

I haven't been able to get interested in the publicity material - ironically, given that the movie actually looks good.

On a totally non Thor related note, I did randomly find this though. See page 13 for an article by Tom's sister about her journalistic career. She is very accomplished in her own right.

You may all have seen it before - apologies if so, it had passed me by but I thought it was very interesting.

253 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-10-21 05:40 ID:6LNXsSd5

>>251 Still interested in T:R, but I'm so burned out seeing so many reblogs of the spoilers clips that I'm now far more interested in Black Panther.

>>252 That link is new to me. I didn't realize she was so accomplished.

In other news that I'll summarize as much as possible: TS's latest single, 'Gorgeous' - which dropped on Thursday - is about her current bf, Joe. She stated this to some of her fans that she surprise-visited these past couple of weeks. One of them tweeted this info, which I saw, but I don't have a link. In the discussion of the song lyrics, a new timeline has become obvious: she met Joe while with Calvin and started an affair with Joe. She broke up with Calvin, got Joe an invite to the Met Galas, then met and pretended to be interested in Tom. She then dated Tom to cover up the affair, the Kimye stuff, and the sexual groping charges against the DJ. She then breaks up with Tom, waits a several months to reveal that she and Joe had been supposedly dating only since October. At some point between the reveal and the GQ article, Tom probably learned the real timeline of the affair and realized he'd been used. Explains why the tone of the article was more emotional than people thought it would be.

254 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-10-21 05:43 ID:6LNXsSd5

>>253 CORRECTION: not cover up to the sexual groping charges against the DJ, but to distract and deflect away from it.

255 Name: Anon : 2017-10-21 07:41 ID:A3rZwPke

>>253 I read about this. Apparently she held a listening party for her stans (she has to be the only celebrity I know who actually searches out and spends time with the nutters) and she told them it and other songs were all about Joe. That may or may not be true, but it must be what she wants us to think if she told all the stans.

I also read that she changes the lyrics of her songs, or revises them, before release, which doesn't surprise me as I guess most songs go through several versions before finally being recorded. It's been speculated that she actually wrote this about TH and then tweaked the lyrics to make it about JA. Everything except the "boyfriend who's older than us" line fits the TH analysis, I think. (BTW how infantile is this line? This is a 28 year old woman supposedly hiding in the corner with her new squeeze from someone who is 35...)

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257 Name: So sorry : 2017-10-22 18:57 ID:X7es+dip

>>255>>253 TS wrote Gorgeous about her gf, Karlie Kloss. Karlie Is younger than Calvin. Karlie was at the met ball that night. And that lyric about wanting something that she can't have, is about her not being able to have a public normal relationship with her gf. As T has had public fauxmances with Joe and Tom, that's the only way the lyrics make sense. Joe is literally Karlie without a wig on, it's crazy. They have the same eye shape, too. And if you look at the met ball pics of T and Karlie hugging on the dance floor, and the 4th of July pics of T and Karlie cuddling and holding hands on the waterslide, and the pics of them hugging in their Vogue article body to body, it's kind of obvious. They also wear matching necklaces with initials T and K... I just hope that one day Hollywood can stop with these silly games and let poeple be who they are, and stop promoting these fauxmances for the public.

In much more fun news, Tom was spotted earlier this week at Soho Farmhouse in Oxfordshire, but was back in London by Thursday.

258 Name: Anonon : 2017-10-23 02:28 ID:LJkovPIz

Holy hell, look at the state of this board.
If its an accurate reflection of TH's career then retirement is nigh.
>>257 There's no Kaylors here. I suggest keeping those opinions to where they have nested- in the darkest swamplands of tumblr.
>>256 I'm starting to admire your tenacity.
>>253 This timeline is so confusing and seems much more illogical than <<255. What a shit song though. Her fans must be struggling, as we have been, to heart eye our fav.
Is anyone here looking forward to TR?
I could do with a hearty laugh and according to reviews it delivers so I may go but I'm not champing at the bit.

259 Name: Sosorry : 2017-10-23 05:24 ID:zSl8T0x0

Not a Kaylor, just someone who thinks that the celebrities who have such controlled media managed images are not at all what they seem (side-eyeing you Joe Jonas and Bradley Cooper), and I have my fingers and toes are crossed that TS's name never comes up on a TH blog again, in the history of time. Period. I've just hit a wall where I can't look any more "accidentally" taken crystal clear professional pics of celebrities who are "loved up" and reportedly are "so in love" just when they just coincidentally require our attention to promote their artistic endeavours.

I enjoyed the intensity and the melodrama of Thor 1 so much. I fear I will not like the humour of Thor 3, since I don't have the best sense of humour, sadly. But the movie is tracking at 98% on Rotten Tomatoes, so I'm not required! I'm most interested in what Tom's next project will be. Will Tom be forced to do more theatre? Will he head over to HBO? Is his team's strategy to assume that he will get praise for Thor 3's success, b/c imo that's not going to work. Maybe he needs to reboot as a character actor in ridiculously small work horse parts like Kevin Bacon did when his career hit the skids, or Colin Farrell, of course. Or maybe he needs another gritty police series, like Wallander, but with him as the lead?

260 Name: Heynon : 2017-10-23 21:50 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>258 If Himself isn't going to give us any career news to work with, we're reduced to discussing how much more of an idiot/famewhore/jerk TS has managed to make him look with her latest emission. I think no matter which super-sekret interpretation of this song you pick, it results in TH looking like a total pawn to cover up her affair(s), or someone who hit on a young woman who already had a boyfriend, or TS's beard, or....

>>258, 259 I'm looking forward to TR in the sense that I liked the one movie of Taika's that I've seen (HFTWP) and it will be the first time I can see Tom as Loki on the big screen. But I have the niggling sense, despite his best assurances in PR that this won't be warmed-over meatloaf, that it will be pretty much Loki as we've seen him before. (I've been trying to avoid full reviews, but the tweets from the press preview generally agreed that Valkyrie is the breakout star of this one, while ignoring Loki. Shades of KSI and "Tom Hiddleston was fine." Zzzzzzzzzz.)

So if his team is relying on TR for a big career boost, I agree that's not likely. (It's the fourth time he's played the role, people, with at least one more round to go!) I hope his US team is working hard on finding him one of the really choice projects that the streaming services are doing these days.

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261 Name: Anon : 2017-10-23 22:06 ID:A3rZwPke

>>258 I read this as "look at the state of this beard." I couldn't agree more!

As regards the board, it's still a fun place to hang out, but that loooong since ceased to have a great deal to do with TH. I have this feeling that if we all met up in a bar and he walked in, we'd look up from our drinks and say, "yeah whatever" before carrying on with our own conversation!

I still have hope that he will throw us a bone, but in the meantime TS is all we got. That woman has a lot to answer for.

262 Name: Anonon : 2017-10-24 11:42 ID:LJkovPIz

>>260 I read that as "TH looking like a total prawn"

All this discussion of 'his team'. There's so little going on I don't think he's had an active team for a while. Certainly not a marketing team aside from a chaperone to openings. The last attempt to resurrect his image was the GQ article in which he came across as a wet sock. I think his agents have him on the disaster sleeper file and by the looks of his beard and visible foundation line, even his Hollywood groomer has been ditched.

I have no doubt that if any offers of leads in HBO/ Netflix shows came in he would dry hump the producers' leg so the offers are likely coming as bit parts and shit parts if at all. Maybe he's so traumatised he's retired from the public, only to perform in small, inaccessible and unreviewable theatre shows.

Maybe a future awaits in childrens content, riding on the success of TR and a brand new tidal wave of pre- pubescent fans or a Galaxy Quest- esque bitter retirement at eternal comic cons as a visibly ageing god.

I certainly don't expect him to emerge from his mancave or throw bones until the album drop blows over.

263 Name: So sorry : 2017-10-26 00:30 ID:6XUhSq3g

Great video of Tom being interviewed onset of Thor 3 at minute 17:24 by children in Australia affiliated with the children's hospital! He dances and beat boxes. If keeps the kids happy, I'm for it, I guess. Chris is interviewd just before that. And their joint visit to the hospital is covered at the beginning of the video.

265 Name: Heynon : 2017-10-26 23:03 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>264 And beardless! Let the theorizing begin!

266 Name: Heynon : 2017-10-27 00:45 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>262 I almost typed "prawn" as I was writing that!

This article about Fassbender has been making the rounds:

If its final theory is true (which I'm not at all sure it is), movie actors are damned if they do, damned if they don't. The article swipes at TH for HS, but then asks if perhaps Fassy isn't a star because the public knows so little about him. Too bad it doesn't dig into the effects of poor project choices....

267 Name: NewAnon : 2017-10-28 02:14 ID:i0F27Diw

So apparently it seems that Tom has gotten a puppy. A fan met him with the puppy and tweeted about it (and from the tweets it sounds like she was stalking him with dedication) The tweets are in Italian but the all the tweets pertaining to the puppy and Tom and their translation can be found on the Crazy Smart one's blog. Fandom discussion is currently at #Tomsettlingdown level. He was with a lady friend so it's a combination of everything.

Now are Taylor and her new bf going to get papped with a puppy because of this? Oh no it'll be with her cats and it'll be an IG story moment. She's currently knee deep among her Tumblr fans so I'm sure she's gotten wind. If there were pics of Tom and puppy, then the IG story with bf and cats might already be in pre-production but since it's all tweets maybe she won''s Taylor though, Miss Must Outshine My Exes.

268 Name: Anon. : 2017-10-28 04:43 ID:Evh5cfQ2

It's his emotional support dog. It may also be giving him career advice.

269 Name: Anon : 2017-10-28 09:49 ID:W9euJvQn

Apparently it is a cocker spaniel puppy and it's 9 weeks old. He said last year when he was promoting ISTL that he wanted a dog but didn't have time because of all the travelling. I guess now he has time. I am glad for him, no snark intended. There isn't much point doing a high pressure highly paid job for years on end if the net result is that it makes it impossible for you to enjoy the fruits of your success.

270 Name: Whatsinaname : 2017-10-28 16:46 ID:6LNXsSd5

>>267 Read some of the posts about it. I must have missed the part where it said that he was with a lady friend. But yay for getting a cute Spaniel. Settling down (for the moment) must feel good.

271 Name: Anon. : 2017-10-29 12:19 ID:zm0AJ4db

In the same way I doubted the cat was his when mentioned in a 'reputable' magazine, I'll wait for a confirmation of his new status as a pet owner.

I think he said in that interview that he didn't have pets because it wouldn't be fair on them since he was away so much. If the pup is that age, he was thinking about getting it before or during the Hamlet run. Long days of rehearsal, performance days and thoughts of upcoming promo wouldn't inspire a sensible person to get a dog. Especially if he was hoping Hamlet would bring the scripts and work in.

But then sometimes it's hard to resist a puppy. Still I'll wait for print or photo confirmation. I hope it's a spread in Horse and Hound. I hope they get Taffy to do it. I hope he mentions how he and Taylor talked about getting a puppy before the cruel paps/public/media drove them apart and crushed their totally real, not staged love.

Enjoy your extra hour, everyone. Side note: children don't recognize parents' right to an extra hour of sleep. Each day is a lesson.

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272 Name: Heynon : 2017-10-29 17:10 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>269, >>271 Apparently some asked the tweeter if the puppy was Tom's, and she replied that she didn't know. (It could have belonged to the woman who was with him.) I think's Anon's point about taking time to enjoy what his success has brought him is a very good one, but I wonder if he's really learned that lesson yet. I have trouble believing that's he'll give up his hard driving approach to his career once the offers start coming in again. (As a recovering workaholic myself, I know that it can be hard not to fall back into old habits!)

273 Name: Heynon : 2017-10-31 01:25 ID:LfjWE7CD

There's an Italian style magazine coming out with a new issue on Wed. that has a stop-in-your-tracks beautiful (I'd have said gorgeous, but...) picture of Tom on the cover. Per Google, the headline with it translates roughly to "Do Not Ask Me Anymore" and the teaser blurb refers to him as "an English actor of great elegance and few words (don’t even think about mentioning Taylor Swift!" So we may see another war-of-wills with an interviewer.

The preview isn't up on their site ( anymore , but the info is on the Crazy Intelligent one's and other tumblrs. Worth a peek just for the groomed-version-of-RADAHam-look picture, IMO.

274 Name: Sosorry : 2017-10-31 18:36 ID:zSl8T0x0

Tom and Tessa Thompson talk Thor 3 w Collider on Action sequences

275 Name: Heynon : 2017-11-01 00:04 ID:LfjWE7CD

276 Name: Anon : 2017-11-04 17:08 ID:I9SuBT1e

Spotted on I think Thursday on the set of the latest Avengers movie. Maybe the career isn't as moribund as we had feared. Torrilla has pics.

PS had the server for the board been weird for a few days?

277 Name: Heynon : 2017-11-04 18:13 ID:0+UAlctl

>>276 It's not known if it was for IW reshoots or A4, though. Apparently both are filming at the same time.

The sever has been acting up; this is the first time I've been able to get on in a few days.

278 Name: Anonynonynon : 2017-11-05 13:48 ID:aNozfogG

Against better judgement but with a wildly still high tomato-meter reading, I went along to see Thor. It was a genuine blast! Tom's Marvel payday will keep him in puppy-food for a long time to come..

279 Name: Sosorry : 2017-11-05 16:20 ID:zSl8T0x0

>>276>>277 Yep, the server has been acting up for two days.

Sidenote, remember how I said that Tom should emulate Jeremy Irons' career path, and I mentioned a film he did called "M Butterfly" where a 1930s french diplomat falls in love with a beautiful chinese opera singer who is secretly a man? Well, Clive Owen stole my idea for Tom, and he is currently leading the "M Butterfly" revivial on Broadway. If Clive wins a Tony nomination or an award, Tom, that was your show.

Just saw Thor 3 last night! It was thoroughly enjoyable. Wickedly funny, very much of Taika Waititi's style. First off, Tom was elegant and mischievous, as usual. But this wasn't Loki's story. Someone said that the Loki character is like the Jack Sparrow character in the POTC films. His character burst out completely realized and as a fan favourite, and now there isn't anywhere else to go with his story arch. Taika as a director is great at comedy and world building. And he's esp good at character interactions and exploring the fun ways they can contrast with other characters. The Thor/Hulk scenes rocked. And the the Dr. Strange/Asgard boys scene was hilarious as well. Jeff Goldblum was a hoot. But, the action sequences could have been much much better. And overall, I thought that the film lacked emotional gravitas and mythology. Some unrevokable tragic events occur, and they didn't resonate the way they should have with the audience, they just kind of breezed by. In the director's aim to lighten the tone of the Thor series, the film was tonally inconsistent overall, and it seemed like they didn't know how how to transition from the humour to the more grave moments, as Branagh did in Thor 1.

280 Name: Heynon : 2017-11-06 01:53 ID:LfjWE7CD

I also saw T:R this afternoon. I enjoyed it, though >>279 Sosorry is correct that it's not a Loki story at all. (I think more could have been done with his arc if they hadn't moved Thor's character past caring much about him. I missed that emotional connection and tension between the two of them, which to me are what made at least Thor I more than a comic book movie. Here their relationship is mostly played for laughs.) Tom gets to do more comedy, but that's about it for character development.

Lots of funny moments, I thought the smaller fights scenes were good, and there were a few beautifully imagined and realized big moments (Valkyrie's back story, for example). But to me, it didn't hang together as a "Thor must save his homeworld" epic story. (It also didn't help that I didn't find Hela to be nearly as convincing a villain as Loki. I thought a little of her went a long way.) It was so busy, with so many characters, that it was hard to care much about any of them or what happened to them in the end. Thor 1 is still my favorite of the Thor films, I'm afraid, because as Sosorry pointed out, Branagh handled the balance of epic and comic skillfully.

281 Name: Sosorry : 2017-11-06 18:27 ID:zSl8T0x0

Article referencing why Marvel didn't require Tom to do promo for Thor 3. And that maybe with a built-in fan base and a strong social media campaign presence, Marvel just doesn't need to pay for actors to fly round the world first class in order to plug their films. The comments are always fun.

282 Name: Heynon : 2017-11-09 00:59 ID:LfjWE7CD

New Early Man trailer and article here:

So apparently that DeNiro imitation paid off for Tom! (Though the typo in the sentence makes it even funnier....)

283 Name: Heynon : 2017-11-09 01:03 ID:LfjWE7CD

Track titles from TS's album include "This is Why We Can't Have Nice Things," which sounds as if it's taken from the TH nannies' lament about other fans criticizing Tom and "driving him off" social media. Prepare for fandown meltdown in 3 - 2 - 1....\\

284 Name: NewAnon : 2017-11-09 18:28 ID:i0F27Diw

THids did get a puppy. Torilla has pics up. It's a really cute pup! Maybe it'll help him land better roles? lol Just joking. But it really is a very cute puppy. Tom looks his usual self in his usual uniform plus his grey hoodie and that black coat.

285 Name: Heynon : 2017-11-09 18:54 ID:+paBlYiz

Well, TH must be expecting the worst from TS's album drop, because he did a pap stroll with The Puppy! Pix are on Torilla's and various of the Tom tumblrs (sorry, my phone isn't letting me link).

286 Name: Sosorry : 2017-11-09 19:10 ID:zSl8T0x0

>>284>>285 Puppy pics below! Adorable dog. Tom looks like he is cradling his new pet for its dear life. He needs the unconditional emotional support, I think. Not sure if I buy his cold hard stare-down at the paps, since this looks like a planned pap walk. Am I glad that Tom's not hiding from the album drop? Am I wary that people will link his new photos to infantile pop song lyrics, and compare his puppy pics to you know who's eventual pap walk her new new fauxbeau, Joe Alwyn? Its a puzzlement. The bottom line is that I want more drama from Tom on stage and screen, and less drama in real life.

TH and puppy pics

287 Name: NewAnon : 2017-11-09 20:37 ID:i0F27Diw

>>286 His puppy is really cute. I love those eyes, so frickin adorable! Perhaps he did get the puppy to ward off all the negativity he'd been feeling post-Hiddleswift. How much you wanna bet Swift will try to incorporate her own pets into her pap walk with Joe? Her album doesn't release until tomorrow but I saw the lyrics to two of her songs from a bootlegged copy which seem to say she admits to using Tom but also laying the blame for it squarely on his shoulders. I've never been good at interpreting Taylor Swift sings because tbh they sound super high school and I can never tell who she's singing about. Even right now with the supposed Tom song, the lyrics read very high school angst to me. I guess that's her thing though.

288 Name: Anon : 2017-11-09 20:37 ID:I9SuBT1e


So, Anon., a couple of weeks ago you said, wisely, "he was thinking about getting it before or during the Hamlet run. Long days of rehearsal, performance days and thoughts of upcoming promo wouldn't inspire a sensible person to get a dog."

We conclude from this that....?!!!!

BTW he is back in London. Street furniture in the full length pics shows, at right, a TFL bus stop. So he was probably filming (??) pickups for the last Avengers film. Doesn't necessarily mean he won't be in the next one but as Heynon pointed out, not a given from being in Atlanta.

PS he looks very cute with the dog, but gosh that is a thousand yard stare.
PPS has he had highlights? The hair looks suddenly a lot blonder again, though there seems to be a filter on the pics making it hard to tell.
PPPS dog was called Bobby, I think.

289 Name: NewAnon : 2017-11-09 21:53 ID:i0F27Diw

>>288 I assumed the hair looked lighter because he washed it lol I'm sorry but his long curls looked very unwashed during the Thor3 promos (he looked unwashed but that's mostly because of the same sweater and jeans combo every single time), looked like either natural hair oil buildup or lots of hair product to tame the curls. You could be right that it's most likely a filter.

I do like the pap walk with the pup. I'm feeling it. Wiser decision than being papped with a girlfriend, considering Miss Pop Star is about to do one this weekend with her boyfriend.

290 Name: Anon : 2017-11-09 22:12 ID:I9SuBT1e

>>289 Yes, I know exactly what you mean. He looked grubby - I don't like the long hair and unkempt beard combo. You can have one but not the other. Or you can be Jason Momoa but nobody else.

In these photos he looks a lot better - same clothes but cleaner somehow. Not like he picked them off the floor but maybe like he washed and ironed them.

So is the pup a sign that he has settled down with a GF - or the sign of a man who is perennially single and has a dog to keep him company? Second question - does he let the dog sleep in the bed (you know he does! He wears the same jeans 4876 days running!)

291 Name: NewAnon : 2017-11-09 22:21 ID:i0F27Diw

>>290 I think he just got a puppy because he wanted one, not because he's got a girlfriend. Based on previous observations, I'd say he's still single. He usually dresses better when he's with someone. Like when he was with JA, EO, and TS, he put some effort and kept himself clean and his clothes varied a bit even if it was between 3-4 of the same outfits. Right now it looks like he's not making any effort at all. He probably looks a little clean right now because he was working up until recently. I won't be surprised if the beard and unwashed curls come back.

292 Name: NewAnon : 2017-11-09 22:25 ID:i0F27Diw

>>290 I think the more important question is does the puppy want to sleep in his human's bed considering hygiene issues? Please for the love of all that's sanitary, let this man be keeping his house clean and doing his laundry.

293 Name: Anon : 2017-11-09 22:30 ID:I9SuBT1e

>>291 Yeah, I am not getting a "settling down with my gf" puppy feel. More like, I will never work abroad long term again so at least I can enjoy owning a dog.

I am definitely getting an "I did a pap stroll with my puppy" feel though. Am I too cynical?

294 Name: Anon : 2017-11-09 22:32 ID:I9SuBT1e

>>292 I bet it is a slum. He is single and 36 and straight. He said something once about doing his own cleaning (!!). My personal experience is that men falling into this category change the sheets only when hoping for sex.

295 Name: Sosorry : 2017-11-10 00:05 ID:H2K/5eNL

OMG! The press has reported that Tom has finally moved on from TS b/c he has been spotted cuddling with a beautiful brunette, his puppy! Tee hee! Don't let the bstards get you down Tom! Snuggle with little Bobby and dream of storming the Oscar stage one day, after all of this nonsense has subsided.

296 Name: Heynon : 2017-11-10 01:46 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>286, >>288 Yes, that "I don't see the paps, I just happen to be giving the icy blue glare of death" face isn't convincing. Especially since he's wearing his glasses and should be able to see at a distance.

>>288 Since he was first spotted with the pup a couple of weeks ago when it was only 8 weeks old, he might have been thinking about getting it while he was doing Hamlet, but didn't take the plunge until after the run of the play. (I wonder if no good offers materialized at that point and he just said the hell with it and got the dog.)

>>288, >>289 I think the photos were filtered or edited to be lighter than real life to keep the dog from looking too dark to see its details. If you look at Tom and the bystanders, they all look a bit washed out. And his hair can really change color depending on how much product is in it. (I think it's mostly product, not unwashed-hair oil, because his hair is so unruly that only heavy product will keep it in place. At the LA T:R premiere, when he walked away from the two interviewers, his hair was flying up at the back even though he had a ton of goop in it!) >>290 Agree that he wasn't well groomed during the T:R promo; at the very least, the beard needed a good trim.

>>292 Well, dogs love to roll in the stinkiest things they can find, so Bobby is probably fascinated when Tom has all sorts of "good" smells....

>>293 Anon, you are not too cynical! I even wondered for a second if this was a rented dog.

>>294 And sometimes those men don't even change the sheets when they have hopes (ewwwwwww).

297 Name: Heynon : 2017-11-10 01:57 ID:LfjWE7CD

>>287 I want to see TS and the new toy boy carrying some of her cats on the pap stroll!

After skimming through all the album lyrics, it seems that one song is all about Tom (Getaway Car), one song disses both him and Calvin (I Did Something Bad), and a couple of others also reference them both ("older men," "Land Rovers and Jaguars"). See

The weirdest bit, though, is the Prologue ( Who is she blaming because her "heartbreaks have been used as entertainment"?!

That chick is a piece of work.

298 Name: NewAnon : 2017-11-10 03:13 ID:i0F27Diw

>>293 Considering what a mess Hollywood currently is, it might be a good idea for him to steer clear. Way too much instability going on currently. Going after the usual biggies for roles is kinda moot at this point.

>>296 Yeah, I wouldn't mind rolling around in some Tom myself ;) (provided he bathes first and changes his sheets)

>>297 oh boy that prologue is tone deaf af. She creates her own "reputation" and then writes a thesis on it, blaming others? And she's touting the whole "people show different sides of themselves to different people" spiel that most of us learned back when we were in our teens. I remember my friend used to have it in his AIM profile back in high school because he was trying to all deep and get laid. She is definitely the garden variety case of arrested development with a nice generous serving of narcissism.

299 Name: Anon : 2017-11-10 08:15 ID:I9SuBT1e

>>296 To get a pedigree pup in the UK you usually have to say you want a pup while mum is pregnant, or when the pups are tiny. Friends of mine have often gone to see the litter when the pups are 4 weeks old to choose which one they want. They then pick it up some weeks later when it is old enough to leave mum. I don't think this is a spur of the moment thing. If the dog was 9 weeks old when the stalker saw him 2 weeks ago it was born in late August and he probably committed to it during or just after the Hamlet run.

300 Name: Sosorry : 2017-11-10 12:28 ID:zSl8T0x0

And the dailymail has an article with Tom dancing at the Met Ball, and wearing the heart tank top on the July 4th party, and with TS in Australia, alongside the Getaway Car lyrics. No puppy pics so far. At least the article mentioned that Tom had been formerly private before in his lifestyle. Their entire PR relationship was geared toward selling this album with this gross narrative, as we predicted as soon as we saw the staged beach photos in Rhode Island. The comments are great. The general public isn't buying into any of this silliness. Bonnie never left Clyde in a motel bar, b/c they were actual parters and she was the only member of his gang that he trusted implicitly! And they never saw each other again after the LA dinner at Hillstone. I'm just glad that Thor 3 is not mentioned, and that the DM didn't link the article to Vanity Fair's article featuring Tom as Clyde Barrow w Felicity Jones.

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