Previously:
#1 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1213916710/
#2 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1250275007/
#3 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1292544745/
#4 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1315193920/
#5 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1326391378/
#6 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1333279425/
#7 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1340196069/
#8 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1346800288/
#9 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1353182673/
#10 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1360549149/
#11 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1367260033/
#11.5 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1367260120/
#12 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1372849946/-255,257-
#13 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1368127055/
#14 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1395672319/
#15 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1409746601/
#16 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1420075161/
#17 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1430947686/
#18 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1440133389/
#19 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1447380051/
#20 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1454364216/
#21 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1462941578/
#22 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1473295155/-383,385-
#23 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1480168637/
#24 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1489348442/
#25 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1503631448/
#26 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1519019746/
#27 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1526013591/
#28 http://4-ch.net/dqn/kareha.pl/1529348654/
fat thread edition
Chill is what's going to happen to your decapitated head lol.
Suffering silently.
>>401 We thought you left because it's been almost an entire week without some joker retard derailing a 3000 day old thread into "why communism is super cool and DQN is a bunch of problematic racist neckbeards". It's actually been really fucking nice tbh.
Also, don't even try to pretend you're not also the "I live in the ghetto and it sucks and this is somehow the fault of the LIBTARDS" poster, your posting style is literally exactly the same right down to accusing everyone who finds you annoying of not having gone to college or flippantly dismissing entire posts full of paragraphs of counterarguments with "whats the matter cant handle different opinions? triggered echo chamber lOL!!!!1".
I'm sure when you're taking your schizo meds you're a perfectly fine poster, so just keep doing that, and remember that this is an anonymous board and not every thread has to be about you and your super important opinions.
>"why communism is super cool and DQN is a bunch of problematic racist neckbeards"
I think helping people when they're in need is good and I don't like when people post the n word or other slurs here. What's wrong with that?
>"I live in the ghetto and it sucks and this is somehow the fault of the LIBTARDS"
I do indeed live in an area with high crime, and SJWs are indeed annoying. I am not an SJW. I also like the environment. Someone posted the n word when talking about where I live, and that's not okay.
These things do not contradict each other. If you think they do, it's because you think people's views need to be a.) static and b.) exactly like caricatures of political parties.
Real life views aren't as simple as being 100% stereotypically group A or 100% stereotypically group B. People are also allowed to change their opinions over time. I am neither a republican nor a democrat.
>not every thread has to be about you and your super important opinions
I didn't make the posts about myself. I sometimes make posts about ideology or politics, but that's not about me -- that's about issues. You try to make it about me. I don't.
I am simply responding to posts other people have made, such as your post. Don't derail this thread, focus on me, and then blame me when you're the ones talking about me. I don't come up with a name for myself -- someone else calls me "iOS-chan". I do not post with a name or tripcode, nor am I interested in being known with a name here. I am not making this thread about me. Someone else (or multiple other people) are. That is not my fault. Stop derailing the thread.
Stop posting about me. That's not what this thread is for.
Lastly, you seem to think sarcasm is "schizo" or trolling or something. Sarcasm and satire are perfectly legitimate. If I posted something like "I just LOVE when people make posts like that" I might really mean I don't like it at all. That's not dishonesty, that's just sarcasm. If you can't understand sarcasm or satire, it's not my fault.
>>411 You are a literal stereotype, and the fact you actually think that "republican" and "democrat" are political positions is proof of the uselessness of trying to discuss politics with Americans.
And no, "sarcasm" is not being schizophrenic. Sarcasm is also not what you are doing. You seem to think that you're much more clever than you actually are. What you are doing is posting variously from one of several disjointed personae, seemingly without being aware of it later on when another persona takes over. As in literal schizophrenia, not just the meme internet one.
>>413 I don't think accusing him of having schizophrenia is going to do any good.
>I think
>I don't like
>I do indeed
>I didn't
>I am simply
But I am not the one making this thread about me and my opinions, no, that is you!
Hot tip for you champ: no one gives a single unitary FUCK what you think or what you like.
>several disjointed personae
I think you just don't understand that people's views aren't as simple as you want them to be. I'm not schizophrenic lol. And maybe you think I made posts I actually didn't make.
And touching on what I said before: exaggeration, hyperbole, jokes, satire, and sarcasm -- these aren't schizophrenia. People with autism or asperger's syndrome have difficulty understanding them though. So is that why you don't get it?
But as I said, stop derailing this thread.
>>416
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>>415
Good job ignoring the rest of the post. Great reading comprehension.
>>420
you're posting about the person you want people to stop talking about
do you not see the irony?
hmmm
me: this board has too many list threads
you: fuck you here's a death threat and some bullshit attacks on your political views that you posted a long time ago
me: that's not ok also you are misrepresenting my views so let me clarify some political stuff because it's cool to talk about values, I wouldn't have brought it up again but because you brought it up so I'm gonna correct you
you: you're so self-centered omg stop posting about yourself all the time why do you make everything about you wtf
bruh...
you: i am super gay and eat poop and have an iq of 79. the only way i know how to structure a post is with imageboard tier greentext, but i won't be able to pretend to be an epic dqn oldfag if i do that so i'll replace all the >s with "you:" and "me:" and no one will notice the difference! i am brilliant!
dqn: sitting around the wine tasting club talking about whatever
you: prances into the room in a hula skirt with a pineapple on your head screaming that wine is shit and everyone is a racist while twerking your ass in people's faces
dqn: what is wrong with that guy? lol.
you: STOP POSTING ABOUT ME GO BACK TO POSTING ABOUT WINE IT'S YOU WHO MAKES EVERYTHING ABOUT ME, NOT ME
>>424
are you seriously complaining that someone is using a built-in feature of the board software? quoting is a part of this website's code
besides, quoting originated from email, not "imageboard tier greentext" and quoting is a normal part of textual communication
for people who talk about eternal september so much, you really don't know much about the internet
>>426 are you seriously this dumb, or are you being purposely dense to prove a point?
>be le me
>be le neurotic narcissistic 4channer with a heavy persecution complex
>be le literally incapable of forming a complete sentence without meme arrows
>LE QUOTING IS A LE INTEGRAL PART OF TEXTUAL COMMUNICATIONS! I DONT HAVE TO QUOTE THINGS YOU ACTUALLY SAID THATS WHAT IT SAYS IN RHTE RUUULKES I CAN POST WHATEVER I WANT XDDDDD FUCK YOUR FAGGOT RULES EBIN TROLLED XXXXXXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Imagine getting this mad about quotes, or people having opinions about politics.
This is what happens when you're in the habit of talking in an extremely structured/restrictive way for too long. Can't accept anything different. But it can be good to have an open mind and really listen to different perspectives.
When Galileo was right about the earth revolving around the sun, instead of the other way around (which was accepted as true at the time), he was attacked for thinking differently, even though he was right. People wanted their comforting lies instead of thinking critically to find the truth. Nobody likes their worldview to be challenged.
>>430 imagine being this fucking dumb and american that you think people are mad at you for "having opinions" and not for being an obnoxious dumbass.
>>431
So talking about anything that isn't completely boring is obnoxious? We should all just discuss today's weather, or some flavor-of-the-month TV show you're watching, huh? Riveting!
>>432 i'm not talking about quoting text from a post you dense fucking retard i'm talking about when you completely ignore the actual text of the post and do this twumbler tier
me: reasonable, objectively correct thing
you: LITERALLY INSANE WITH RAGE COMPLETELY INCOHERENT RARRRR
me: i have obviously won
thing
Nobody ever really even talks about the Eternal September other than when someone refers to mad dates in the future... it's like back in the day when people would start threads on /m/ and say "What's /mu/'s thoughts on _____?" and the regulars would chuckle and say "Why don't you ask them". One of those telltale signs that they stumbled in from the rain.
>>433 American politics are not only boring as hell but quite distasteful. Nothing but idiots screeching at each other over pee-pee sex tapes and arguing over who the "literally hitler" of the month is. People have expressed this to you multiple, multiple times, and you ignore it and continue pretending dqns just "can't handle alternative views" or whatever.
>>434
I only made a post about list threads, then people made it about me. It was a quick way to summarize what happened, using the format that you have a problem with. But you apparently had no problem with the posts leading up to it? And are people just going to ignore the death threats? That's not okay either.
Look at >>372- and the following responses. I didn't make it about me, I was just noticing how weird it is for many threads to have very little interaction. Then posting devolved into personal attacks. But that's not what it was originally about.
Man my balls are so sweaty, don't you just love to squat down when your underwear is sodden with sweat and take a right good huff?
Meh, death threats on the internet aren't so bad, no big deal.
>>435
Okay then. If you had your way, what would /dqn/ consist of? List threads of Wikipedia articles of people whose names sound like funny words? People posting old aa art or anime stuff? That's it? You really want it to be so restrictive that people can't post about anything else? How come? Or do you think posts like >>438 are better? Yikes.
>>436
I never mentioned any of those things. Additionally, topics such as deep ecology are not even American. Deep ecology, especially Linkola-based ideology, is Finnish. Do you think Finland is in America?
I am not talking about Trump or Hillary. I am talking about Linkola. I suppose Ted is American. But it has less to do with American fad politics and more to do with general dislike of modernity, which is not an inherently American phenomenon. I do occasionally express dislike for US-specific things, but not the "pee-pee sex tapes" or "literally hitler" things you mentioned.
Why do you think it's wrong to be conscious of current political issues? Should we all just resort to escapism and not work on anything? It seems like a lot of people here like escapism, such as anime or games. But what does that accomplish? When there are problems in the world, ignoring them won't fix anything.
I wonder what espeon-chan is up to right now.
>>437 Yeah. >>374,375 were me. As you can see, we again agree on the fundamental truth of the matter yet you carry on far past the point when the discussion stopped being interesting, trying to turn that agreement into an opportunity to proselytize on how you personally think DQN should be like.
It's like you think pointing out banal, obvious things makes you some kind of visionary and then start acting like a college freshman who came back to his hometown for the summer and had to spend the entire time telling everyone why everything they're doing is bad and wrong. That is what's obnoxious about your posts, I physically could not give less of a fuck about your extremely basic and sterile opinions if you paid me to.
>>443
What are your political views? What are your values in life? I'd like to know. It's good to hear from other perspectives. Seriously.
I'd also like to point out that people can indeed not practice what they preach. For example, I drink, but I think alcohol is bad. That doesn't mean someone is a troll, or that they're schizophrenic, it just means they're not perfect.
So when people claim that posts are "disjointed" or whatever, sometimes people are conflicted or unsure of things, or sometimes they change their mind, or yes, sometimes people are indeed hypocritical. We're only human.
>>440 Did you mean to direct that >>435? That was me and I didn't say anything about what you're talking about. I meant somebody keeps saying that we go on and on and on about the Eternal September, but in all honesty it rarely comes up in the conversation. Talk about anything, I don't give a fuck, personally a lot of people's opinions and their belief that it matters (on this particular text board of all places) just makes me chuckle is all
>>446
I post on anonymous boards about these things because discussing politics with friends, family, or coworkers can be stressful, especially when they're diametrically opposed to your views. Posting politics on social media, like Twitter, is an easy way to have a bad time, with trolling, doxxing, harassment, people trying to get you fired, etc.
/pol/ is too /pol/ for me. Tumblr is too tumblry. Reddit censors people and it has that shitty "I fucking love science XD" attitude. Twitter has the "twitter do ya thing!" brigading/mob mentality problem. Instagram is just about pretending your life is cooler than it really is. Facebook is garbage. None of those places are suitable for serious discussions about ideology or political views.
Sometimes you just want to discuss issues, but there isn't necessarily a perfect place to do so. So you settle with some not-really-great place to post.
This is far from the only place I post online. But it's the only place I talk about these kinds of issues.
Identity is complicated. You have different titles. A single person can be a man, a son, a father, a husband, an employee, a coworker, an event organizer, a friend, a patient, a customer, an acquaintance, a car in traffic, and a stranger. It depends on how you know that person. To different people, that same person seems like a completely different person, because of their roles. They do not conduct themselves the same in every relationship. Social media is similar. Not all discussions or posts are suitable for all platforms. But sometimes, there isn't a great place for certain things. A lot of social media structures lead to pigeonholing, and there isn't always a right answer of where to put something.
>>447 Man, that's time I won't get back, what did any of that have to do with the post you're replying to? Why is this you only place you talk about these kinds of things, surely the least relevant place for it out of all the places you post online?
>people's opinions and their belief that it matters (on this particular text board of all places) just makes me chuckle is all
From >>435:
>t's like back in the day when people would start threads on /m/ and say "What's /mu/'s thoughts on _____?" and the regulars would chuckle and say "Why don't you ask them".
You're saying this isn't the right place for it. I'm saying there is no right place for it. Besides, what harm is there in talking about that kind of stuff here?
>>444 I actually considered making a thread like "outline your political views ITT" but decided against it, figuring it would get too heated. I guess I can just do it here. Plus, I think our perspectives are more similar than you might think.
Note, all copulaic(x is/are y) statements to follow should be read as if they started with "In my opinion,...", I just can't be assed writing it every time.
Anyway, in my teens, I would have at points variously called myself a Communist, or a Trotskyist, or a Fascist, partially out of a teenage desire to be edgy but also because of, at least I thought so at the time, an attraction to ideologies with a strong, centralized authority. However I realized later on that it wasn't the strong authority I was attracted to but rather the revolutionary utopianism of those ideologies, all of which seek to deconstruct the modern capitalist system and build something new and better(from the perspective of the ideology itself) in its place. I've since become disillusioned with all of them after realizing that they still have the fundamental problem of quashing people into cogs in a vast machine of state. I do still find that revolutionary utopianism attractive, though.
Nowadays, I refuse to call myself an anything-ist. Isms mean being fettered by ideological purity and being forced to approach every problem not from the perspective of "what is the best thing to do here" but rather "what would a perfect *ist do here"?
Fundamentally, I believe people ought to be free to do what they like without interference from the government, as long as it doesn't harm others (this would extend to causing indirect harm, such as littering or polluting). Economic growth ought to be secondary to the health and wellbeing not just of citizens but of the environment. If we take it as axiomatic that the primary concerns of the state are the security, health, and overall wellbeing of its citizens, then education and healthcare ought to be subsidized. Since citizens already contribute part of their income to pay for their collective security(ie, they fund the military with their taxes), I don't think funding the other two as well is that big of a stretch. Fully funding them 100% for whoever wants them might not be feasible in as big a country as America but you lot could probably still afford to partially subsidize them as well.
Building on the collective security aspect, I disagree with the statement that "violence is never the answer", but it should be a last resort. Both states and individuals should have the right to defend themselves from aggressors.
There probably are fundamental biological differences between the races and genders, but rather than trying to erase racism and sexism by pretending there aren't, we should embrace them as part of the diversity of the human species.
I do sympathize with migrants and refugees seeking to build a better life in another place, however most people advocating the hardest for open borders and unlimited immigration quotas are capitalist elites seeking to poison the well of public discourse by presenting it as an issue of race to disguise the fact that they're making huge profits off those people. The ones that do work drive down the cost of labor and reduce wages across the board, the ones that don't work and instead receive welfare or something still necessarily use that welfare money to purchase goods and services, which basically turns the welfare which was made with good intentions to keep people from starving and dying in the street like they used to, into an indirect subsidy of their businesses and enterprises.
continuing in next post since this ended up being too long
Sexuality is a spook, and at its core is just another ism that leads to tribalistic thinking. Just fuck who you want to fuck and leave each other alone about it. It's not super important.
Religion is a spook, and mostly a tool for enforcing social cohesion via shame and encouraging ingroup-outgroup thinking. However people should be free to believe what they want, as long as they don't use it as an excuse to harm others.
Discussion and debate, especially of politics, should occur with the goal of discovering the fundamental truth or best course of action of a particular matter, not simply proving yourself right and your "opponent" wrong. Sometimes you may truly be objectively right and your "opponent" objectively wrong, but using that as a foil to develop your own viewpoint and reach a mutual understanding is also part of the course of a proper debate.
>>451
I might address more of your points later, but for now, on the topic of sexuality: I think people spend too much time talking about sexuality and LGBT stuff, to the point of it being a "distraction" issue (though that might seem paranoid), and not enough time discussing other issues. It's like, democrats and republicans will debate whether they support gay marriage, but they won't talk about the pitfalls of capitalism, consumerism, how to fix poverty or climate change, etc. So it's a safe issue to bring up, regardless of their stance on it. That being said, I'm against degeneracy in a lot of ways, since I'm pro-family values and all that.
But I also feel like it's a case of a prisoner decorating their cell walls. By that, I mean people who are powerless to change or discuss other meaningful aspects of their lives fixate on things that they can change/do: pronouns, sexuality/gender identity, etc. People who are powerless, unhappy, etc. cling to the few things they feel like they have control over, and then they obsess over them, rather than working towards other things that might seem insurmountable. Sexuality is not the biggest problem in life right now, but many shift goalposts and talk about it like it's the only thing in life because they feel like they can't do anything else.
I also feel like some people only claim to be LGBT for attention, since social media makes people think that you're better if you have more friends, likes, comments, etc.
It's also used as a political weapon now too, like "this guy said 'faggot' once 10 years ago, let's get him fired" but the ulterior motive is that the person actually supports a political party they dislike, and the "homophobic" thing is just a farce.
But it also seems like an agenda is being pushed, since there is a lot of anti-white/anti-traditional rhetoric in the mainstream media now, and people are encouraging abortions, not having kids, being gay, etc. But meanwhile, the same media outlets are pushing for mass immigration. I'm not a neocon or a republican, since they're anti-environment and pro-capitalism and shit, but at the same time, I can't help but feel like there's an concerted effort to push for mass immigration. It's not about diversity, it's about capitalism. Need more people from other countries to increase sales to make fatcat shareholders happy. But it also feels like population replacement. I don't like that.
>>452 Yeah, that's what I was getting at. I don't have a problem with LGBT people per se(I'm not exactly straight as an arrow myself), but I feel like LGBT issues get disproportionate coverage in the media and public discourse.
I really like your second paragraph, and the statement that no matter what one's actual stance is, LGBT issues are a "safe" issue to bring up because getting people riled up about other people's genitals and their choice of who to rub those genitals on keeps them from getting riled up about how their suffering is being exploited by the capitalist elites to make massive, unthinkable profits that they'll never see even a fraction of a cent of because it's sitting in a bank account in the Cayman Islands or something.
I used to be a boob guy but recently starting to appreciate ass and legs as well
EOVUTIONL
Put it another way: I'm a male, my preferred sexual partner is other males. I won't try to hide that, but neither is it the ALL ENCOMPASSING CORE of my personality and worldview. It's just one of many things that make me "me", but for some people it feels like that's all there is to them. It feels like that for a lot of straight people too, we just don't think of it in those terms. Being overly obsessed with sex in general, where to have it, who to have it with, etc etc is just another symptom of the poison of modernity.
If you can't hear the "subete ni kaeru" at the beginning, it's not loud enough.
>>455
I've only had sex with girls before, but I sometimes have gay thoughts, even though I've never been with a guy. I might consider getting with a guy at some point, or maybe not, but at the end of the day, I still want to eventually have a wife and kids, not a husband or boyfriend. But I'd say that having gay thoughts doesn't mean your identity is being gay. I think we are all hardwired for heterosexuality.
I still see my occasional gay thoughts as a problem, not something to accept. Some people have anxiety, some people have down syndrome, some people have gay thoughts. I think it's a mental illness and it shouldn't be normalized.
The most fundamental purpose of our lives is to reproduce. It's in our DNA. Besides, then you can continue your genes and raise people who will have your views and whatnot. Teach them to care about what you care about. Teach them your trade early in life so they'll be even better at it than you are when they're your age. If you're a programmer, teach them programming early. If you're a welder, teach them welding early. Teach them your political views too. Teach them your religion. Contribute good people to the world instead of letting it decay even further. The world needs more good people. Keep your legacy going. That's really important, don't you think? But you can't do that if you're gay.
I still feel no association to the LGBT community, because it's largely anti-religion, pro-immigration, and basically pro-flavor-of-the-month leftist issues. Democrats seem to think they own the votes of minorities and gays. Not mine though.
And shit like pride parades are degenerate as hell.
"Hey, how can we convince people that gays are just normal people too?"
"Let's have huge floats with rainbows and dicks and borderline nudity and weird-ass costumes!"
Yeah, that'll show 'em.
Also, cutting your dick off and taking hormone pills doesn't magically turn a guy into a girl.
>anti-religion, pro-immigration
>flavor-of-the-month issues
lmao seriously, you realize history goes back for millenia and you can consult about it on wikipedia and your local library, where you can find that people were talking about being against religion and in favor of migration for centuries
the rest of the post, i don't know if you are LARPing as a gay/bi guy in denial, or if you just get the ocassional gay thought (pretty much everyone gets those) which you dismiss as the devil making you horny for men but there's so many naturalist fallacies and fascist shibboleths (try using degenerate less, retard) I can read before growing extremely tired of the entire thing. if i wanted to argue with spooked simpletons, i'd go to reddit.
and I don't watch much TV or any of that stuff, but I agree with the perspective that LGBT acceptance "movements" are easily co-opted by liberals who are obviously invested into not shedding a single penny for anyone in need. "gays are chill like chillary" empty idpol rhetoric can go die in a fire and this "family values" garbage this fucking neonazi is "stealthily" recruiting with, too, can literally burn in the dumpster fire of ideology where it belongs.
>>458
Wow, people did something in the past! That means my views are invalid now. Better give up caring about immigration because you said it's on Wikipedia! I can't have opinions and values when something on Wikipedia says otherwise.
Besides, how come liberals are only anti-Christianity? You bend over backwards for other religions.
>LARPing as a gay/bi guy in denial
Nope. Consider this: I can smoke a cigarette without being a smoker. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. I drink beer even though I think alcohol is bad. A cancer patient has cancer, but that doesn't mean they ENJOY having cancer. It's just something they have. They did not choose to have it, but that doesn't mean they should want to have it.
Not every person who plays games calls themselves a gamer. Not everyone who goes to the gym calls themselves a weight lifter or bodybuilder. I've had gay thoughts before, and I've looked at gay porn. But I've had a wide range of negative thoughts. I've had suicidal thoughts in the past, but should people tell me that my identity is being a suicidal person, based on fleeting thoughts that are no longer relevant? Should my identity revolve around bad thoughts I've had occasionally, or should I just acknowledge that it's a flaw and move on?
>you dismiss as the devil making you horny for men
Not what I wrote. You're trying to say I said something I didn't.
>try using degenerate less, retard
Sorry for having a moral compass?
>if i wanted to argue with spooked simpletons, i'd go to reddit.
lmao
>I don't watch much TV or any of that stuff
Neither do I. Do you really think you're so special and different?
>this "family values" garbage
Oof. Did you grow up with a mom and dad? Did they function well? I grew up in a broken home to degenerate atheist liberals who had all sorts of problems, in an extremely liberal area, possibly the most ultra-leftist areas in the country, and that has pushed me to realize that the nuclear family, religion, and conservatism (but not in a neocon sense) is important for society, for a number of reasons. Having a good upbringing during your formative years really shapes who you are, and that's why family values are important.
>fucking neonazi
White people who don't have themselves are nazis, apparently. Okay, buddy. I'm also mixed race. I think I've mentioned that before. But the fact of the matter is that there is a ton of hatred towards white people these days. That's not okay. If you don't think it's okay to hate black people, then how come you think it's okay to hate white people? What's with the double standard?
>burn in the dumpster fire of ideology where it belongs.
You're wishing death on people who disagree with you but apparently I'm the neo-nazi. Got it. No self-awareness at all.
I feel like degenerates double down and say that morality is bad because they are immoral, rather than admitting that they're wrong. Liberalism is so deeply rooted in selfishness and hedonism. Liberals want government handouts, they want to fuck whoever they choose and ignore their duty to pass on their genes to future generations, they want to legalize drugs so they can get high, they want to do everything they can to live for pleasure and dodge responsibilities.
Oh gee, here I am again trying to have a discussion in good faith (I was >>450,451,453,455 but not >>458) when iOS-chan decides that the time for good faith is over and now it's time to break out the "owning the libs" personality. Guess that's what I get for taking someone at face value when they say they want good faith political discussion when what they really want is to win "converts" to their "cause".
>now it's time to break out the "owning the libs" personality
It's called alcohol. I'm too polite when I'm sober, but I speak my mind after a few drinks.
Things that are bad:
Capitalism
Consumerism
Materialism
Postmodernism
Demagogue ideology, e.g. "Feel the Bern!"
Mainstream media outlets
Liberals
Neocons
Pollution
Libertarianism, or just the idea of having too much freedom to do bad things in general
Thinking freedom is more important than forcing people to do what's virtuous and right
Disposable culture, disposable products, disposable everything
Unsustainable economic growth
Big oil
Big pharma and trying to throw a pill at every problem rather than seeing how depression etc. are often a symptom of society being fucked up
Military industrial complex
Prison industrial complex
Billionaires
Ego-driven faux-philanthropy and NGOs
Usury
Creating a permanent underclass for cheap labor
Extreme income inequality
Globalism
Overpopulation
Isolation
Hyper-individuality
Overuse of technology
Population replacement
Democracy
Mass immigration
Sexual deviancy
Hedonism
Feminism
Misogyny
Gluttony
Social media
Being a genetic dead-end
Miscegenation
Video games
Anime
Movies
Data mining
Proprietary software
Being weak and permissive and tolerating/accepting things that shouldn't be tolerated
Gun control
Things that are good:
Family values
Traditional gender roles
Christianity
Being an active member of your church, local clubs, etc.
Modesty
Renewable energy
Small communities
Homogeneity
Benevolent authoritarianism
Recognizing some of the merits of collectivism (but not to an extreme degree) and knowing your place in your community
Worker's rights
Actual culture -- festivals, traditional garb, food, religion, art, etc -- not bugman shit like games, superhero movies, malls, and other modern bullshit that sucks the life out of people
Having a sense of purpose
Helping your local community
Conservation of nature, like protected forest areas
Helping people in need, but not creating a welfare state
Support networks (mental health treatment, homeless shelters, women's shelters for victims of domestic abuse, job placement agencies, services for disabled people, etc.)
Self-actualization
Asceticism
Stoicism
Education
Healthcare
Minimal tech usage
Weight lifting
Restraint
Discipline
Reading
Self-improvement
Continual learning, even after graduation
Privacy
Open source
Guns
>>449
"You're saying..." no I'm not, read over the things I said again, the focus of my posts was referring to comments that we keep talking about September '93
>the focus of my posts was referring to comments that we keep talking about September '93
>t's like back in the day when people would start threads on /m/ and say "What's /mu/'s thoughts on _____?" and the regulars would chuckle and say "Why don't you ask them".
yeah, that's totally about September '93
Undercover Nigger
mfw "current thought" means "huge fucking list"
remember kids, don't drink and dqn
>>466 Yes, as in, a certain thing that most boards everywhere have where regulars can identify users less savvy with the local customs. Every now and then someone drifts in and wonders about the timestamps here, and that's the only time it's mentioned. That was my original point, in response to the person who said we keep going on about it.
suddenly wobble bass
Let's make pizza
> when iOS-chan decides that the time for good faith is over and now it's time to break out the "owning the libs" personality
You can't argue with shitty nazis in good faith, that's why they need to fuck off.
"...that tree is far away..."
oh its an actual place
bring back compiz firey cubes ubuntu video tutorials to youtube
>>473
Yeah, I'm totally a nazi even though I'm white and Mexican. In another thread, people were calling me "beaner" but apparently I'm also a nazi too, according to morons like you.
Instead of trying to understand my perspective, you're just going to dismiss me and use incorrect labels.
>>476
I miss those days. Spinnan cubez. I used to use Compiz Fusion in OpenSUSE back in the day. Instead of a cube, I actually had it set up as a sphere, or maybe it was a cylinder. I don't really remember. But there was a skybox, and there were glxgears and dolphins in the center when you went to switch between virtual desktops. And fire particle animations when you minimized a window. And wobbly physics for when you moved a window, making it look like it was made of jello.
What a waste of battery life.
>>478
Maybe asceticism isn't the right word, but just general anti-hedonism. Too many people these days just live for pleasure. There's more to life than bread and circus.
I don't like the following things:
•People who don't go to the gym -- you don't have to be in perfect shape, but you have to at least try to improve yourself
•People who don't read books, or only read shitty books, like scifi, fantasy, romance, etc. rather than books about ideology, history, religion, or other important issues. There is a big difference between someone who reads Chomsky/Nietzsche/Linkola/etc and someone who reads Harry Potter or Ready Player One. Some books make you think, others are just useless ways to pass the time.
•People who enjoy TV, movies, video games, etc.
•People who constantly talk about how "bored" they are, and think being entertained is the only important thing in life
•People who don't do anything productive in their time off work/school
•Extreme wealth is corrupting, because then it changes how you live your life. You can have a mansion, sports car, golden chandeliers, fancy silverware, etc. None of that shit really matters. It's just materialistic garbage. Materialism and excess wealth are bad.
•Not having a sense of purpose in life and just floating around doing nothing in particular
•Hyper-sexuality, fueled by modern media, Tinder, etc.
•People who consume, but don't create. People who watch movies, eat comfort food, etc. but won't write something, won't program something, won't paint something, won't make things on their own. It's very liberating to make things.
You don't have to be 100% pure with asceticism, but being overly-indulgent is really bad. Modern western culture is extremely indulgent.
Here's an example of someone I know in real life: he's my age and he calls himself a gamer and a stoner. He plays games because it's fun and entertaining to him. He smokes weed to feel good. He defines his entire identity around self-absorbed pleasure-seeking. What a useless existence.
I'm somewhat hypocritical in the sense that I drink. I think alcohol is indulgent/hedonistic, so it's something I need to be aware of. But that doesn't change the way I feel about it. It doesn't make what I say invalid. You can be aware of a problem instead of pretending that everything you do is perfect. I feel like liberals nowadays are too keen on trying to accept all of their problems instead of working on them. Like fat acceptance, LGBT acceptance, etc -- why not try to work on your problems instead of giving up and forcing everyone to tolerate them?
I just spent ~4 hours in traffic while buying a toaster oven, a loaf of bread, and a hunk of cheese. This snack I am about to eat had better be fucking incredible.
>>480
4 hours?! How? I live a couple minutes away from grocery stores.
>>481
So do I. The place with a deal on toaster ovens was 20 miles in the opposite direction, though, and for most of the highway I didn't get out of second gear. I was slightly smarter with my road choice on the way back, but by then it was rush hour.
>>482
It's just okay. I got to the grocery store so late that all the newly baked bread was gone, so this loaf is a bit stale. Maybe I should moisten it a little.
On the plus side, I am now the proud owner of a semi-industrial toaster oven that uses so much wattage that it probably violates my lease every time I turn it on.
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
>>479
...so you're a right-wing sjw, even use most of their same terminology and talking points, but your main problem with your left-wing counterparts isn't that they want to legislate morality and use it as a means to control and pacify people but rather that you disagree with their specific morality? Yeah, fuck right off. You'll not get one single more attempt at good faith engagement from me.
>>485
The apartment complex I'm at doesn't take packages; I didn't know it was going to be this much hassle when I left; the deal I got was for in-store pickup only...
Seriously, this sort of thing is why I am >>394 . I am a mostly normal, boring individual. If there's a part of the story which I've left out, and which you can't reconstruct by guessing "why would a mostly normal, boring individual do this?", then it's probably not important.
2008: hah, this smartphone thing will never catch on. imagine the day when your phone of all things can get malware on it?
2018: ukrainian hackers got su on my smart toaster and in the process of using it to mine bitcoin, burnt my house down
>>486
Right wing? Yeah, sure. I guess. But not a typical neocon who only cares about tax rates and pretending that climate change is a myth. Those kinds of "right wing" politicians are useless and nothing like my views. SJW? Hell no. Maybe by SJW, you simply mean someone with strong convictions. Then sure, I guess by that definition, I am. But if you mean in terms of actual social justice and gender stuff, no way. I am diametrically opposed to that kind of ideology.
To call me a right-wing SJW really demonstrates your inability to understand what I'm saying. It's an easy way for you to be dismissive without having to think very hard about it.
>legislate morality
Legalizing and normalizing degeneracy is not "legislating morality." You're so far down the leftist rabbit hole that you don't even see how immoral your values are.
Despite being raised by and around degenerates, I've come to accept that traditional Christian values are great. with a couple twists, of course. And not that soft beta Christian "we accept everybody" brand of garbage either.
>use it as a means to control and pacify people
I'll never understand the "pacify people" argument. Are you saying people are so unstable that they need legal weed to stop themselves from doing bad? If people have lives full of meaning, they won't need pacifism. They will have purpose. A lot of the hedonistic things people do nowadays is sort of like a negative coping mechanism for dealing with how awful modern life is. How about we try and correct that and make life worth living instead of having to use a band-aid feel-good thing on top of a flawed society?
>you disagree with their specific morality
Moral relativism is a load of shit. Things are either moral or immoral. Moral absolutism. None of this humanist, secular, appeal-to-moderation, "everyone is right in their own way despite contradicting each other" logical fallacy. If I say 2+2=4 and someone else says 2+2=6, then fence-sitters would claim it's in between, so surely it must be 2+2=5. Or some people, who are afraid to take a stance, would say it's both 2+2=4 AND 2+2=6 simultaneously, because they're afraid to offend people. In reality, some people are objectively right, and some people are objectively wrong. Modern liberalism is immoral, plain and simple.
Just because something is normalized does not mean it's right. I could bring up the Galileo example again, or plenty of other things too. Even capitalism, pollution, consumerism, materialism, and mass media are normalized despite being terrible. Liberals think liberalism must be right because it's popular. Lots of popular things are awful.
People are rioting. People are extremely angry on social media. Drug usage and suicide rates are pretty high. You want to tell me that liberal America is just fine the way it is? Maybe you're from a different country, I don't know. But no matter where you are, I'm sure even you are able to see some of the problems with modern living.
>good faith engagement
Insulting me, ignoring my points (because I guess you don't have a comeback?), calling me a troll, etc. is not a "good faith engagement" by any stretch of the imagination.
>>487
You should still post your comments anyway, instead of writing and then deleting/not posting them.
You say you're a "normal, boring individual" but it's interesting to hear what you have to say. What's normal to you isn't normal to someone else. To you, it's routine. To someone else, it's different and interesting. Don't preemptively put yourself down. That's no good.
>>491
Why do people always think hackers are eastern european or Russian? Remember that US government organization called the NSA? Hello!
But even then, a lot of the real issue with security and privacy is the companies themselves, where, in one sentence in a 10,000 word EULA, they grant themselves the legal ability to spy on you and sell your personal data to advertisers using your IoT toilet.
I'm really less worried about muh Russian hackers, and more concerned about Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, etc. They have more power than most governments now.
ジェット燃料は鋼鉄のビームを溶かせない
太ったプログラマナイスガイ
産業革命とその結果は全人類にとって大災害でした。
shit breaks in linux: hi, it looks like some shit broke. here's exactly where it broke and here's what your system did to fix it. would you like to send us an error report to help keep the same shit from breaking in the future? you can see here exactly what data is in the report, if you want.
shit breaks in windows: whups, some shit somewhere broke somehow :( abort/retry/ignore?
>>497
Shit breaks in plan9: it isn’t broken, the user is broken, cat cats files onto the console and the file you opened is an infinite special node like random or kprint, this console is over until the end of time or you externally kill cat.
There was a girl in my friend group in high school. It became clear at a certain point that she had developed a crush on me. Not realizing its magnitude, and also not desirous of a romantic relationship with her, I feigned ignorance. I feigned ignorance much longer than I should have, until a mutual friend called me out publicly for "being mean to her". As if the blame for the subject never explicitly coming up in conversation lay solely at my feet. Okay, whatever.
Honestly, she was a pretty cool person aside from that tension. But it never would have worked out between us. I like to think that healthy human beings are just naturally beautiful, or close enough to get the job done. And most of them are.
But not her.
It has been several years since we graduated and went our separate ways. According to Facebook, she is now happily married and raising a bright, energetic child. And she has somehow become even uglier than she used to be.
vc:hag
>>500
Too much processed food and lethargy in modern life. Fast food, cars instead of walking, soda... terrible stuff. Bad diet makes people look like trash.
so far:
middle manager tonegawa: favorite thing so far this season, very fun, not only full of highly aware self-parody but also neat on its own as a prequel telling the origins of gentei janken. probably wouldn't recommend to friends who haven't watched kaiji already though.
jashin-chan drop kick: shit, probably gonna drop. was excited for a guro-heavy comedy that reminds of dokuro-chan but it feels derivative as hell and cheaply animated.
sunoharasou: cute and comfy and hits me right in the /ss/, not much more to say
hataraku saibou: kesshouban-chan is cute, CUTE
these days it's rare for me to pick up even one seasonal anime, let alone 4, plus there's some others that looked interesting that i haven't started yet. have the good old days finally returned and anime stopped reclining?
>>503 Aw dang Jashin-chan looked quite good. I'm finally watching Haiyoru! Nyaruko-san, just working my way down my list forgetting why I added them until the OP plays!
>>479 Hmmm, sort of interesting, though I'm a bit disappointed that asceticism isn't what you actually meant. I'm on board with some of your points, to some extent, but what I see as the main flaw there is how many of the things you don't like are things "other people" do. Everyone is thrust into this world by chance and are given a finite amount of time on it, and everyone is stumbling around looking for their place and their purpose. I agree that it's a shame how some people choose to spend their precious time, but that includes other people who spend their time casting aspersions on the lifestyle choices of others instead of worrying about themselves. You might put your faith your own standards of morality and decent living, but no one human can set the bar for everyone/anyone else. It might seem like a good idea living to Christian values, but how much of those values come down to sour grapes? You mention Nietzsche, maybe you've read his Genealogy Of Morals - how often are the people who vilify extreme wealth and hyper-sexuality the same people who would love more money to buy nice things, who no one wants to sleep with?